Oh, the drama.....

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DD is in third grade and I swear there is more drama there than on a soap opera set. :eek: The latest one (ongoing actually) that is bugging me is this girl that wants to be "friends" with DD and a boy in DD's class. ("Ben") Keep in mind, this girl ("Hannah") isn't even in their class. She has never been in a class with either of them. As far as I can tell, the only time she could have gotten to know them would have been at PE and recess (30 minutes each) and car line after school. Maybe a little at lunch if their classes sit near one another, but I don't think they do....It's very regimented as to who sits where. In other words, it's hard to see how she could have built up any real affection or bond to my DD or Ben.

But Hannah wants to order DD and Ben to not sit by anyone but her in car line and to be her partner in PE and if they do otherwise, she pitches a fit. DD collects friends like most kids collect toys, so she is not about to let someone limit her. Hannah has even started getting nasty with Ben if he wants to sit by his little sister in car line. Poor little boy got so upset by her nastiness that he had to go see the counselor. :mad: A little karma did come Hannah's way last week when she called Ben names for not doing what she told him to and the assistant principal happened to be right behind her as she said it. Apparently, she got into serious trouble. :rotfl:

Today, DD came home and told me that she sat by Ben in car line and Hannah was so displeased about it that she started crying. So not only is the kid bossy and manipulative, she's a drama queen. A few weeks ago I told DD that people who always have a lot of drama in their lives can be very exhausting and she said, "That's Hannah!" I asked DD why Hannah doesn't hang around with the kids in her OWN class and she didn't know.

The thing that DD and Ben have in common is that they are both "nice" kids who like everybody. I think this girl may have latched on to them figuring they'd be easy to get to do her bidding, but she mistook "nice" for "spineless." My radar is going off because of the stalker issue DD had last year. Long story....a kid in her class was obsessed with her. This was not just my view. The teachers, his parents, the admin, his psychologist, everyone agreed. He was fixated on her and made that year miserable. He used guilt trips on her to make her feel obligated to be kind to him when no one else in the class would have anything to do with him. (He could be a scary kid.) So when I sense a child using emotional manipulation (such as crying when DD won't do what they want) that almost puts me in flashback mode. (There's a lot more to her extreme drama, but I won't get into it now.)

I'm aware there is female drama......I was right there in the middle of it. :rotfl2: But why do kids this young feel the need to be SO manipulative? She's not the only one I've come across, but usually it's because they're jockeying for social position, not twisting someone's arm into being their friend via crying jags. :sad1:

Thank goodness we can do a "do not place together" request at DD's school. If Hannah is this emotionally overwrought where DD is concerned and they're not even in the same class, I shudder to think what it would be like if they actually were placed together!:scared:
 
All I can tell you is that I am in a first grade classroom and to be honest, there is a lot of drama at that age as well. I try to nip situations like you described in the bud, but some slip by us.

As for them not being friends because they are not in the same class, I think at some point all the kids know all the other kids in their grade level because of lunch, recess, bus line up, etc. I have lots of students who are friends with students from other classes. Possibly because they were in each other's class the year before.

My best advice is to have your daughter be polite to the other girl, but seek out other kids during lunch and recess. If your daughter allows herself to be manipulated by this other girl, it will only get worse.
 
All I can tell you is that I am in a first grade classroom and to be honest, there is a lot of drama at that age as well. I try to nip situations like you described in the bud, but some slip by us.

As for them not being friends because they are not in the same class, I think at some point all the kids know all the other kids in their grade level because of lunch, recess, bus line up, etc. I have lots of students who are friends with students from other classes. Possibly because they were in each other's class the year before.

My best advice is to have your daughter be polite to the other girl, but seek out other kids during lunch and recess. If your daughter allows herself to be manipulated by this other girl, it will only get worse.
 
DD is in third grade and I swear there is more drama there than on a soap opera set. :eek: The latest one (ongoing actually) that is bugging me is this girl that wants to be "friends" with DD and a boy in DD's class. ("Ben") Keep in mind, this girl ("Hannah") isn't even in their class. She has never been in a class with either of them. As far as I can tell, the only time she could have gotten to know them would have been at PE and recess (30 minutes each) and car line after school. Maybe a little at lunch if their classes sit near one another, but I don't think they do....It's very regimented as to who sits where. In other words, it's hard to see how she could have built up any real affection or bond to my DD or Ben.

But Hannah wants to order DD and Ben to not sit by anyone but her in car line and to be her partner in PE and if they do otherwise, she pitches a fit. DD collects friends like most kids collect toys, so she is not about to let someone limit her. Hannah has even started getting nasty with Ben if he wants to sit by his little sister in car line. Poor little boy got so upset by her nastiness that he had to go see the counselor. :mad: A little karma did come Hannah's way last week when she called Ben names for not doing what she told him to and the assistant principal happened to be right behind her as she said it. Apparently, she got into serious trouble. :rotfl: Today, DD came home and told me that she sat by Ben in car line and Hannah was so displeased about it that she started crying. So not only is the kid bossy and manipulative, she's a drama queen. A few weeks ago I told DD that people who always have a lot of drama in their lives can be very exhausting and she said, "That's Hannah!" I asked DD why Hannah doesn't hang around with the kids in her OWN class and she didn't know.

The thing that DD and Ben have in common is that they are both "nice" kids who like everybody. I think this girl may have latched on to them figuring they'd be easy to get to do her bidding, but she mistook "nice" for "spineless." My radar is going off because of the stalker issue DD had last year. Long story....a kid in her class was obsessed with her. This was not just my view. The teachers, his parents, the admin, his psychologist, everyone agreed. He was fixated on her and made that year miserable. He used guilt trips on her to make her feel obligated to be kind to him when no one else in the class would have anything to do with him. (He could be a scary kid.) So when I sense a child using emotional manipulation (such as crying when DD won't do what they want) that almost puts me in flashback mode. (There's a lot more to her extreme drama, but I won't get into it now.)

I'm aware there is female drama......I was right there in the middle of it. :rotfl2: But why do kids this young feel the need to be SO manipulative? She's not the only one I've come across, but usually it's because they're jockeying for social position, not twisting someone's arm into being their friend via crying jags. :sad1:

Thank goodness we can do a "do not place together" request at DD's school. If Hannah is this emotionally overwrought where DD is concerned and they're not even in the same class, I shudder to think what it would be like if they actually were placed together!:scared:

I find it sad, and a little scary that you are taking such pleasure in something bad happening to a child. Maybe this little girl has emotional issues that you don't know about - you said that she cried when your daughter and Ben didn't sit with her - maybe she has a hard time making friends - maybe they had discussed sitting together, and they your daughter didn't, and she was upset about it. Since your not there, and can't see things yourself, why don't you cut this kid a break, rather than just assuming shes a bad kid. There are always two sides to every story - your daughter is not 100% right, and this other girls is not 100% right - Just a thought.
 

I would take the stories your DD tells you bout Hannah with a grain of salt. I'm not implying that your DD is lying, but kids that age tend to only see thing from their own perspective, and stories home to mom are often distorted from the truth. I imagine Hannah's mom has been hearing an earful about your DD as well.
 
Some 2nd grade girl decided that she was going to tell everyone where to sit on the bus. Everyone was doing what she said, but I didn't feel like it, so I attempted to pass her and she pushed me down hard. I fell into was used to be a 90 degree angle thing sticking into the bus and cracked my head open.

I got two little stitches, but head cuts bleed a LOT. She was scared. All the kids hated her (anyway, not because she pushed me) and told her she killed me and my brains fell out and the little brat believed it and was so frightened that she peed her pants. :rotfl:

I'll bet that woman (she'd be 40 now) still remembers that.

Those girls get what is coming to them eventually.

My boys had like NO DRAMA. I think girls are harder with that stuff.
 
Mom, I'm going to tell you my feeling and please don't get your feelings hurt. I believe you are having a hand in all this drama. Let your DD work her own little school house dramas out on her own.

It is a little concerning that you are so gleeful about bad luck befalling this child. I doubt she wants anyone to do her "bidding", she is a child that wants friends and obviously doesn't know the correct way to go about it. I also am a bit doubtful that a second grade boy was "stalking" your DD, I'm betting there is a whole heck of a lot more to that!

Just let your DD work her own problems out.
 
Mom, I'm going to tell you my feeling and please don't get your feelings hurt. I believe you are having a hand in all this drama. Let your DD work her own little school house dramas out on her own.

It is a little concerning that you are so gleeful about bad luck befalling this child. I doubt she wants anyone to do her "bidding", she is a child that wants friends and obviously doesn't know the correct way to go about it. I also am a bit doubtful that a second grade boy was "stalking" your DD, I'm betting there is a whole heck of a lot more to that!

Just let your DD work her own problems out.



I'm glad I'm not the only one that felt this way
 
I would take the stories your DD tells you bout Hannah with a grain of salt. I'm not implying that your DD is lying, but kids that age tend to only see thing from their own perspective, and stories home to mom are often distorted from the truth. I imagine Hannah's mom has been hearing an earful about your DD as well.

I find it sad, and a little scary that you are taking such pleasure in something bad happening to a child. Maybe this little girl has emotional issues that you don't know about - you said that she cried when your daughter and Ben didn't sit with her - maybe she has a hard time making friends - maybe they had discussed sitting together, and they your daughter didn't, and she was upset about it. Since your not there, and can't see things yourself, why don't you cut this kid a break, rather than just assuming shes a bad kid. There are always two sides to every story - your daughter is not 100% right, and this other girls is not 100% right - Just a thought.

Agree with both of you :thumbsup2
 
Yes, I have learned the hard way to let them work these things out on their own. I would advise my DD not to be mean to anyone & not to start anything, but do what you feel in your hear is right and don't let anyone control you. If you start telling them to do this or that, your going to have problems.

I think that it starts in the 3rd grade, and only gets worse. We have had several issues, even with best friends, and if you start calling parents, it will bite you in the but. Just let them work it out. :hug:

If your DD has any further problems, contact the school and let them handle it.
 
My DDs are also in third grade and the same thing is going on in their classes. I got very involved earlier this year, and realized I needed to let the girls work things out on their own. I am here to listen and to give advice, but unless my DDs are being hurt, I am going to let them handle it.

Denae
 
All I can add is that 3rd grade drama is nothing. Learn to step back because in a few years, you'll really see drama. Kids need to learn how to handle situations on their own. If it was a situation where someone could get badly hurt, step in, otherwise, no.
 
I don't understand why anyone thinks it was bad that the OP was happy the little girl was over heard by the principal. It wasn't like a building fell on her, she simply learned that there are consequences to her actions. She got caught doing the behavior that the OP is concerned about, and obviously if the little girl got in trouble, the principal was concerned as well.
 
I don't understand why anyone thinks it was bad that the OP was happy the little girl was over heard by the principal. It wasn't like a building fell on her, she simply learned that there are consequences to her actions. She got caught doing the behavior that the OP is concerned about, and obviously if the little girl got in trouble, the principal was concerned as well.

The OP said "apparently" she got into serious trouble. How would anyone know? I think it's pretty common practice for principals to keep disciplinary actions private. I doubt the OP's daughter is privy to what the principal did, unless it was to hear him/her say, "Hannah! Don't call people names."
We have no idea how "concerned" the principal was.
 
The OP said "apparently" she got into serious trouble. How would anyone know? I think it's pretty common practice for principals to keep disciplinary actions private. I doubt the OP's daughter is privy to what the principal did, unless it was to hear him/her say, "Hannah! Don't call people names."
We have no idea how "concerned" the principal was.

Agreed - And just to add (and I know its justa smilie thingy, but....) OP put the rolling laughter smilie after it - like she was happy the little girl got in trouble - not a good reaction for a parent IMHO.
 
Good for your daughter for standing up for herself and not allowing a 'drama queen' to control her. I had a friend like that in 5th grade. Only, i pretty much caved to her and lost most of my other friends in the process. When me and Miss Drama eventually fought i was left pretty much alone.

Just have your daughter be polite and firm. Sounds like she is already. She can stay nice but still firmly state that she will sit where she pleases.

P.S. I don't see what everyone else is upset about with the principal. I don't think the OP is taking joy that a child got punished. Just more relieved that an adult was able to witness this child's behavior so they know what is going on and can appropriately discipline and handle this girl. If this girl has emotional issues it does not need to fall onto the shoulder's of the OP's daughter.
 
P.S. I don't see what everyone else is upset about with the principal. I don't think the OP is taking joy that a child got punished. Just more relieved that an adult was able to witness this child's behavior so they know what is going on and can appropriately discipline and handle this girl. If this girl has emotional issues it does not need to fall onto the shoulder's of the OP's daughter.

I think it sets the 'tone' of the entire post... gives the impression of thriving on drama.
My daughter is in 4th grade and I am a girl scout troop leader and hear stories from other girls too. Things like this are barely a blip on the radar.
 
I think it sets the 'tone' of the entire post... gives the impression of thriving on drama.
My daughter is in 4th grade and I am a girl scout troop leader and here stories from other girls too. Things like this are barely a blip on the radar.

Exactly. If Mom thinks this is drama, she ain't seen nothin' yet!!!;) :lmao: :lmao:
 
Mom, I'm going to tell you my feeling and please don't get your feelings hurt. I believe you are having a hand in all this drama. Let your DD work her own little school house dramas out on her own.

It is a little concerning that you are so gleeful about bad luck befalling this child. I doubt she wants anyone to do her "bidding", she is a child that wants friends and obviously doesn't know the correct way to go about it. I also am a bit doubtful that a second grade boy was "stalking" your DD, I'm betting there is a whole heck of a lot more to that!

Just let your DD work her own problems out.

Actually, I say very little to DD about the situation. The post was more a vent about the drama that has already started and will obviously continue and get worse for years. I am fully aware this is "baby steps" drama. We got our first taste in 1st grade, 2nd grade was pretty uneventful, and it's back in third grade. I used to teach jr. high, so I am VERY familiar with drama.

As for the asst. principal busting her that day, I wouldn't say I was gleeful, but I did think it was karma at work. She's not picking on DD, but she is picking on Ben and he's a very nice kid. And yes, I do think she's doing it.

The girl CANNOT sit by DD and Ben at lunch. They have seats assigned by class and her class isn't by DD's. I've done lunch duty enough to know the ins and outs. As I said, it's fairly regimented. I don't think DD is lying either, because I've seen this girl in action and she is seriously bossy. The little boy (Ben) is as nice a kid as you could ever meet, as sweet as could be. Universally liked by every kid in his class. Hannah left her seat (which is probably what got the asst. principal's attention, now that I think about it) and went over to Ben and started berating him and calling him names. Once the asst. principal was right behind Hannah, another little girl piped up, "What did you say, Hannah?" and Hannah repeated it. (I don't know if the girl did that on purpose to get her in trouble or not.....) That's when she was busted by the AP. She's harassed Ben to the point that he's had to go see the counselor, so yes, I think it was about time an administrator or teacher caught her in the act and was able to witness it for themselves. Ben is not the type of kid who will yell back or name call in return. He'll just walk away if he can. But at lunch, he just had to stay seated and listen to it.

I do think she probably has problems making friends, but that doesn't give her a pass to yell at this kid and call him names. As for DD handling the situation, I believe what is happening is that she and Ben are hanging around Hannah less and less as time goes by. The more she yells and name-calls Ben, the more he walks away and when push comes to shove, DD is going to go with the pleasant, easygoing kid. I don't find that surprising. As I said, this post was more a vent....And not even that. More a "Can't they all just get along?" :rotfl: (Of course, I know the answer to that. :lmao: )

As for the "stalker" boy last year, I wish I was exaggerating. Good heavens.....I'm not saying it was romantic! He was simply obsessed with her. He had serious emotional issues before he ever entered that classroom and had been seeing either a psychologist or psychiatrist for quite some time. (This is from his mother.) I credit the school and staff with being very proactive to try and keep a watch on the situation. Everyone took it very seriously. Just before semester break, her main teachers from last year came up to me and asked if things were better for her now that they are far apart and I told them she's completely back to her old happy self. One of them said, "I've never seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. I could see a 16 y.o. acting like that, but a 7 y.o.? That was scary." You don't know how many times I've heard that from other staff members. No one, in all their years of being in education, had EVER had experience with anything remotely like this. His doctors were taken aback, from what his mother told me. No one saw it coming. I really can't even begin to describe it, because I can barely wrap my brain around it sometimes. But since none of you were there and the school staff was, and 100% of them were like this:scared: :eek: , I am not exaggerating in the least. Just thank your lucky stars your child has never been the target of a child like this. He wasn't evil, but he was terribly emotionally disturbed and for whatever reason, focused all his attention and energy on my DD. (Actually, the reason he chose her was because everyone else in the room shunned him, but she was nice to him. It seems that was a first.....So it took off from there.) And if you're wondering if the staff yakked out of turn, no they didn't. A few times, his mother told me more than I ever wanted to know, but it did help us figure things out.

(Oh, and as for the "serious trouble" Hannah got into......That was DD's phrase. My version of serious trouble and hers are two different things. Being taken out of the cafeteria in front of everybody and given a talking to, plus having to write your name in THE BOOK equals "serious trouble" when you are in third grade at her school. They live in mortal fear of having to write their names in THE BOOK. :rotfl2: What constitutes serious trouble at DD's school is a world away from what it is at some schools. But for her school, the consequences Hannah faced ranked as "serious" by their third grade standards.)
 


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