Oh so THAT'S WHY I can't get a reservation at Be Our Guest (and every other restaurant in WDW)!!

[NJlauren]

So this article says that some sites book all the reservations and then release a bunch and send out the alerts....

Could Disney dinning busy be doing this?

http://www.inquisitr.com/2407753/di...t-disney-world-dining-reservations-to-guests/

Edited for miss understand the first time I read the article

 

[WIcruizer]

And scalping is illegal in the United States.

It is? There's no federal law banning scalping, it's up to each municipality. (Maybe a few states have laws also, not sure.)

 

[WIcruizer]

How would WDW know in advance which of the days on my five-day ticket are going to be used when during my seven-day resort stay?

That's why I think it should be tied to your resort rez, not park tickets.

 

[JohnDaleswife]

I do have faith Disney will do something about this. May take a minute, but I do think they will.

 

[JimmyBean42]

It is? There's no federal law banning scalping, it's up to each municipality. (Maybe a few states have laws also, not sure.)

You are correct. I was clearly thinking about all the neighboring states where I live where you can't scalp. Each state or municipality does have their own laws and regulations on what can and can't be done.

 

[Disneyliscious]

I posted this in another thread last week. Have never used any of the booking sites myself but have read over each of them pretty extensively. Regarding the one in question, it feels fitting to share it here again:

I agree with the TA comment. How is it different? A person is being paid by you to book an ADR for you. If they TA doesn't charge you, they get paid from the venue (Disney) who in turn charges you, so you are still paying.

Im only aware of one site that actually books the ADRs for you. If you look at that site, there are maybe 100 ADRs listed over the next 4 months. Given that Disney seats THOUSANDS of patrons a day, I seriously doubt this site is a problem. How many ADRs do you think DIS'ers (and others) have booked right now that they will never use and only release the day/week before the ADR time?

And lets take it a step farther, if that one site sold every single ADR they had for the next 4 months it would prob average around $1000. Thats $250 a MONTH ( $62.50) a week for someone to sit there booking those ADRs and getting them to people who want them. They are not making any money on this venture nor are they the cause for the lack of ADRs. Granted they are new and business will prob pick up but as it stands, its prob some TA doing this on the side for a little extra (and well earned) income.

I would also keep in mind that every time some blog or newspaper writes about the atrocities of this place, they are actually only providing free advertising. Wouldn't surprise me if the newspapers/blogs weren't getting a kickback of some sort. All in it together.

I am GLAD these places are popping up. It will FINALLY force Disney to do something about their God awful ADR system which allows ANYONE to horde for FREEE.

 

[woodleygrrl]

I go every Fall to WDW, have an annual pass and I am a DVC owner and I will say unequivocally that I have a very hard time getting choice reservations at the 180 day mark. Now, some of that is that I refuse to get up at the crack of dawn to start clicking away to get a table at whatever place so I can beat out everyone else. I have a full time job and my time is worth something, too. But would I pay someone for a reservation? Nope.

 

[DisneyWishes14]

I actually like the idea of having valid park admission linked to MDE in order to make in-park ADR's. After all, you have to have a ticket in order to dine there! Many people making 180+10 reservations have booked packages, so this wouldn't affect them. AP holders could still make them. This would also cut down on the people who are making room reservations which they don't intend to keep just to get 180+10. You need a ticket to make FP+. Why not an in-park reservations as well? Not sure if this would circumvent the ADR purchasing service though as I suppose they could simply buy an AP and attach it to the MDE they are using to make the ADR's. Who knows. Waiting to see what Disney will do, if anything, to crack down on this.

 

[MomtoDisneytrips]

The crazy thing is they would very well be on this site snapping up all the good reservations from honest people! This is just wrong!

 

[WIcruizer]

Now, some of that is that I refuse to get up at the crack of dawn to start clicking away to get a table at whatever place so I can beat out everyone else.

Same here. There are a few restaurants we haven't been to yet, so we do make it a point to check one of those off on every trip. As a result, I will check a few times throughout the day until I get an ADR at one of them. Some days get too busy and I don't check at all. Eventually, we have always found an ADR, albeit the time is sometimes far from ideal. But there's no way I'm going to check dozens upon dozens of times, just no time.

 

[WIcruizer]

I actually like the idea of having valid park admission linked to MDE in order to make in-park ADR's

I do too, but that only solves half the problem, what about all the restaurants at the resorts and DTD? Still, it would be a step in the right direction.

 

[JustCallMeMommy]

What drives me nuts is that they are artificially increasing demand, the same way people who buy as many of the latest toy as possible to sell on eBay. I'm OK with the sites that will "watch" and notify the end consumer of an opening, but blocking the reservation from everyone else and selling it crosses a line, IMO.

Maybe a solution would be to limit the number of reservations a single person could hold at one time. It doesn't even have to be a small number - maybe something like 42 - enough that a person on a 14 day trip could eat table service every meal or a local could eat a Disney 7 times a month, but not enough for someone to book multiple reservations for BOG at every meal time for months on end.

 

[ParrotBill]

I think the idea that you can't make an ADR without a park ticket is a great one! Disney is expensive enough, we shouldn't have to pay more to get the reservations we want!

There are many locals who eat at WDW Hotel Restaurants without park tickets. Disney needs to make it clear that reservations are not to be made in fake names and not to be resold. I would not disagree with requiring an MDE account to make reservations and limiting them to no more than 5 per day and some number total at a time. I would not be surprised if this drives even more credit cards required for ADRs and limit the number per credit card. And no wonder the site performance stinks even more when autobots are mining it all the time.

 

[karrit2000]

They should not require a resort reservation in order to book an ADR as this would mean even if you have a park ticket you can't make ADRs if you aren't staying on property. This would not be feasible as there are many locals who have AP's of one sort or other who would be excluded from making ADRs. Personally I would like to see them shorten the ADR window. I think 180 days out is ridiculous, I don't think it should be anymore than 60-90 days out. As many have said they horde until they can book FP's so that's a big part of the problem. I don't like that I have to buy my park tickets more than 60 days out in order to make FP's either. I'm already in my FP booking window & was just able today to renew my AP which has to be done before I can book my FP. You can't renew the tickets until 60 days out & mine were to expire in the middle of my trip so I couldn't book the FP's beyond the expiration date on my AP even with a valid reservation. And with the computer outages I haven't been able to have the renewal processed until today with DVC member services.

Unfortunately there is no one size fits all answer to the problem with the ADR's but a big contributing factor is the current 180+ day booking window.

 

[brinkley07]

Having booked this trip early and making reservations at the 180 day vs. most of my trips in recent years being more last minute I have found very little difference. We have been lucky to get the reservations we wanted with a few taking some perseverance. I disagree with tying a resort reservation or a ticket to the ability to book ADR's as many people who live in the area, pass through, or who go to the other parks like to go to Disney restaurants. Disney is a smart company and realizes these needs, so I don't expect them to decrease their bottom line. I do agree it is ridiculous to horde reservations for any reasons, and I wouldn't buy a reservation under any circumstance. It saddens me to see people on here posting strategies to outwit the system and others in order to have any time they want held until they can book FP's. I do think Disney will work to stop the selling of reservations, but like those abusing the GAC it will take some time.

 

[smcabee]

That's why I think it should be tied to your resort rez, not park tickets.

So If I dont stay onsite or have friends that live in the area Im staying with, I cant book an ADR?

 

[CandiceF]

There are many locals who eat at WDW Hotel Restaurants without park tickets. Disney needs to make it clear that reservations are not to be made in fake names and not to be resold. I would not disagree with requiring an MDE account to make reservations and limiting them to no more than 5 per day and some number total at a time. I would not be surprised if this drives even more credit cards required for ADRs and limit the number per credit card. And no wonder the site performance stinks even more when autobots are mining it all the time.

Sorry I misread, I thought the previous poster said in park ADR's. After thinking about it I think Disney should have a limit on how many breakfast, lunches and dinners someone can book each day. For example if you were only able to book 2 BOG dinners per day to decide on, that would stop people or sites from booking a reservation for every couple of hours.

 

[HopperFan]

Restaurants are for everyone, every guest, whether you are staying onsite, offsite or a local.
- There is no way to tie it to tickets because you can't prove you will actually use that ticket.
- You can't tie it to deposits paid because a large percentage of the guests stay offsite.
- Disney 1000% needs the offsite guests from a financial point of view.
- Many will save money by staying offsite just so they can eat their way through Disney.
- If you have booked a Disney hotel you already get a 10 day jump on everyone offsite.
- If you decide to go to WDW or book inside the 180 day window that is on you.

FYI:
There are two kinds of dining services. One (and that is few) actually books fake reservations and sells them to you, I suppose with a coordinated drop/pickup. Disney can so easily fix this by putting all cancelled ADRs into a holding location that randomly puts them back in the system over several hours time. No way to coordinate. This will also stop all the coordinating on here. These are the services that are legit scalping reservations and they will go after for sure.

There are several services that are nothing more than a concierge or TA for food. They watch for a time to become available and tell you. You have to do all the work to get it and maybe you won't. These services are not doing anything more than what any of us can do, they are just being paid a watch fee to do it for you.

That said this came out today -
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2015/09/09/here-why-cant-book-seat-at-disney-restaurant/

 

[Disnsyncey]

I think 180 days out is ridiculous, I don't think it should be anymore than 60-90 days out. As many have said they horde until they can book FP's so that's a big part of the problem. I don't like that I have to buy my park tickets more than 60 days out in order to make FP's either. I'm already in my FP booking window & was just able today to renew my AP which has to be done before I can book my FP. You can't renew the tickets until 60 days out & mine were to expire in the middle of my trip so I couldn't book the FP's beyond the expiration date on my AP even with a valid reservation. And with the computer outages I haven't been able to have the renewal processed until today with DVC member services.

I would like it to go back to 90 days, a little before the FP+ window, so you could prioritize your FPs after you got your meals set, since FPs are easier to move than ADRs usually.....what if like it was 60 days for ADR, 45 days for on site FP+ and 30 for off site? the 180 days just prolongs the stress......and like I said in another thread, the EARLIEST I book a Disney vacation is 4 months, normally 3 or less....

 

[Lisaloo]

I truly don't understand the panic and hoarding associated with ADRs. When we were at AKL in July a lady next to me at the concierge desk was going through and canceling reservations for the week. She had multiple ADRs for multiple meals for each day of her stay. What a horrible person. We were able to get most of the ADRs we wanted but if we hadn't that wouldn't have been a vacation ruiner by any stretch.