Oh me, oh my-does baby Suri really exist???update now aka "The Suri Challenge"

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CathrynRose said:
Thank you - Im so flattered. :cloud9:

I dont post on weekends though. I only DIS when Im at work (which Im sure my boss appreciates deeply :rolleyes: )

So, it's Monday - Im back at work.... Im sure Ill find more creepy weird Scientology stuff today!

HAPPY MONDAY FELLOW CLEAR THETANS! :thumbsup2 (we already know it all - we're SO clear!)
Whew.....thought you got taken, glad to hear you are OK, it has been a Boring weekend on this thread, other than the "list" that was posted! ;) Once, I even found it on Page...4!!! :scared1: So, I bumped it up! ;)
 
Thanks a lot my fellow Diser's, before today I didn't give any thought to the mysterious Suri Cruise but now I'm ready willing and able to join the Suri Challenge :magnify:
 
Tissa said:
Thanks a lot my fellow Diser's, before today I didn't give any thought to the mysterious Suri Cruise but now I'm ready willing and able to join the Suri Challenge :magnify:

A new member! Come join us Tissa, as we uncover "the mystery of Suri Cruise". (Couldn't resist - I got that off of an episode of Will & Grace :teeth: )
 
SplshMtn99 said:
The reason there are no Scientology DISers is simple. They have spent all their $ on courses & auditing, thus leaving them nothing to go to WDW on. :thumbsup2

Its funny you say this - cuz on my way home Friday I thought this exact same thing.

WDW is pricey - as is Scientology. You have a choice. Audits. Or Mickey Bars....

We choose Mickey Bars hence no Scientologists amongst us. :thumbsup2
 

For you article junkies .... from: http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/history/history98.html

The secrets of Scientology / A day



The Independent/April 18, 2006
By Sara Lawerence
Sitting on a red velvet chair in the middle of a majestic, oak-panelled hall in East Grinstead, I have rarely felt more fearful for my sanity. On the wall in front of me, a creepy, larger-than-life-sized portrait of an old man seems to be staring straight at me. In front of the portrait, Laura, a middle-aged woman wearing a high-necked blouse and ostentatious gold cross, stands behind a lectern reading aloud from a huge leather-bound tome.

None of the worshippers take their eyes off Laura as they repeat her words back to her. Phrases such as: "All men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others" are made ridiculous by the followers repeating them in a monotonous drone.

I am at Saint Hill Manor in East Grinstead, West Sussex - the UK's Church of Scientology headquarters. In the few hours I spend at Saint Hill I realise this exercise is anything but innocuous, and might go some way to explaining why Katie Holmes, the one-time girl next door of American television, has been enveloped into the cult championed by the father of her unborn baby, Tom Cruise.

After much talk of her staying silent during the birth, in accordance with Scientology's beliefs that babies born to the sounds of their mothers screaming are more likely to encounter emotional problems in later life, Cruise announced in an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer that Holmes is no longer a Catholic. Asked whether their baby would be baptised a Catholic, he said: "You can be Catholic and a Scientologist. You can be Jewish and a Scientologist. But we're just Scientologists."

Cruise and Holmes are not alone. Kelly Preston, John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, Isaac Hayes, and Priscilla and Lisa-Marie Presley are also members of the sect, created in 1954 by the pulp science-fiction writer L Ron Hubbard. It is his portrait that hangs in Saint Hill. Intrigued by a cult that believes humans are the descendants of aliens, I have come to Saint Hill to find out what really goes on in the "church".

Very few journalists have infiltrated this bizarre "religion", although it has attracted at least eight million followers and is estimated to make £250m a year from its members.

Posing as an interested disciple, I first call into the Scientology Centre on London's Tottenham Court Road where I fill out an Oxford Capacity Analysis Test, designed to measure emotional state in order to highlight areas that Scientology can improve. Although the test is free, I am encouraged to purchase a copy of Hubbard's Dianetics (for £6.99) and to contact them when I finish reading it.

My results apparently prove that I am depressed, nervous, critical, anxious and unable to communicate. I am told that I am in dire need of spiritual enlightenment and that only Scientology can help me.

I telephone the Church of Scientology's headquarters at Saint Hill, claiming that I am concerned by my test results. I am invited to attend a "church" service, a "group processing session", and to have a guided tour by a "recruitment expert" of the building and grounds at Saint Hill, known to those inside as "The Castle".

Two days later, I am standing on the manicured lawns of the beautiful Jacobean building that is home to Scientology's version of the civil service - the Sea Organisation. My guide for the day, Ron, appears. He tells me has been a member for seven years and sold his home in Norwich six years ago "to be closer to the Sea Organisation". He works at Saint Hill every evening and weekend. He has a day job as an electrician and seems surprised when I ask him if he has time off. "Why would I want to do that?" asks the 33-year-old. "I love it here."

As Ron guides me around the vast building, I notice several recruits going about their daily tasks. Weeding, sweeping, cooking and cleaning, the tasks are performed silently - free of charge - by followers who cannot afford to pay the exorbitant costs of the study courses that would bump them up Scientology's hierarchichal system.

Part of my tour takes in converted outbuildings that comprise a sauna, showers and a gym area. Three teenage boys and a girl wearing swimsuits are sitting eating a spartan meal of rice and beans. "These people are undergoing a period of purging," Ron tells me. After taking a variety of vitamins and minerals designed to cure addiction, they spend the day alternately sweating in the sauna and running full tilt on the machines. When I ask what the purpose of the exercise is, Ron is unable to tell me whether these youngsters are addicted to alcohol or drugs - they're just "addicts".

None of them look up when I say hello. They do not even look at each other. Ron doesn't appear to see anything strange in their behaviour. "People come here to be cured of things - physical addictions, mental distress and spiritual travail," he says. "They can only really begin to work on their Scientology when they are are cleared of all the poisons in their bodies - and this is what the purging is for." He tells me that if I am serious about wanting to join up, I will need to do this too.

I ask if Scientology is a drug rehabilitation programme or a religion and he can't give me a straight answer: "It's different things for different people, you know," he says. I don't. "Well, people have all different kinds of problems and Scientology can help anyone through anything. It makes you a better person."

Quite what Scientology does for the individual has been a matter of debate since Hubbard set it up in 1954. Tellingly, four years earlier, he had announced at an authors' convention: "Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars he should start his own religion."

Aged 42, he declared that humans are descendants of an exiled race from outer space called Thetans and that we are nothing more than temporary vessels for the immortal souls of Thetans. Only by exorcising painful memories of our past incarnations can we achieve our full potential and reach spiritual salvation. Scientologists believe that life is a relentless struggle towards the total erasing of painful mental images - called "engrams" - that accumulate through successive incarnations.

The cult has always had its detractors. In 1984, Mr Justice Latey, giving judgement in open court after a private hearing, branded the scientologists "corrupt, sinister and immoral". In 1991, Cynthia Kisser, former executive director of the American Cult Awareness Network, proclaimed that "Scientology is quite likely the most ruthless, the most litigious and the most lucrative cult the country has ever seen." In 1994, the Californian Court of Appeal accepted that the techniques of scientology constituted brainwashing. In Britain, the Charity Commission denied Scientology religious status on the basis that it did not benefit the public in any way.

As I'm led inside another room by Ron, I see at least 100 people - most of them elderly - poring over huge leather-bound books. It reminds me of one of the large reading room in the British Library - but these people are not browsing for free. Although Ron will not give me an exact figure, he says that recruits pay "thousands" to study Scientology.

Elsewhere, there are hundreds of machines stacked up in readiness for a possible sales event that afternoon. Called E-meters (short for electropsychometer) they look like two tin cans attached by thin wires to a navy blue control panel. By gripping the cans in both hands, the specially designed machine will supposedly help senior Scientologists locate areas of spiritual distress in your soul. Although the Scientologists' own prayer book states they can only be used by Scientology ministers, I - a definite non-minister - am offered the chance to purchase one, a snip at £3,000.

I ask Ron whether I'm likely to bump into any famous names. He shakes his head. "Celebrities rarely attend Saint Hill, except on special occasions," he says. "There is a dedicated 'celebrity centre' in London's Bayswater." Apparently, celebrities have "special needs", although he won't expand on this. Somehow, I can't envisage Cruise or Travolta sleeping in a barracks in East Grinstead.

At the end of the four hours, I am keen to leave. Ron tries to get me to make an appointment to see someone for "dianetics counselling" as soon as possible. He phones me that evening - and for the next three days. A female recruit also leaves me messages - none of which I return.

The cult has attempted to intimidate news organisations who expose it. Last year, it threatened court action against Google, which had to remove websites that criticised the group. After a day witnessing what goes on on the inside, I realise it's little wonder the "church" needs to resort to such tactics.
 
Apparently, celebrities have "special needs", although he won't expand on this. Somehow, I can't envisage Cruise or Travolta sleeping in a barracks in East Grinstead.


:rotfl: Celebrities have "special needs" :rotfl: The need to be loved and adored by their fans, the need to be the center of everyone's universe, the need to be number 1 at the box office. The list goes on and on forever.
This is what the Scientologist cult preys on, as anyone that has to be constantly told how fabulous they are ie:celebrities is going to also be insecure, needy,and used to having others tell them what to do.
 
CathrynRose said:
See now that's ridiculous! Dont exaggerate!!!

The wax Katie shows MUCH more emotion that the real-life version, these days.

That, and the wax version has better hair and make-up! :rotfl2:
 
Us Magazine has a Where's Suri counter going at their website! Counts down days, hours, minutes and *seconds*!!!!!
 
*giggle!!!* Why do I get so excited when I find horribly creepy and frightning links?!?! LOL! :rotfl:

Okey-doke...check out this scary, scary "contract". It's what they sign when they join the "church". They sign away - pretty much - all their human rights. :sad2:

From: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeta/scn/scans/Introspection-Release.html





Church of Scientology
Flag Service Organization
(hereinafter referred to as "the Church")
Agreement and General Release
Regarding Spiritual Assistance
1. I, ___________________________________, recognize, acknowledge and agree that I am exclusively responsible for my present and future condition in life and for the choices and decisions I make affecting my life. With that in mind, and solely of my own volition and in the independent exercise of my own free will, I am voluntarily signing and submitting to CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY ___________________________________ (hereinafter the "Church") this AGREEMENT AND GENERAL RELEASE REGARDING SPIRITUAL ASSISTANCE (hereinafter this "Contract") so that, upon its acceptance by the Church, I may participate in Scientology Religious Services and spiritual assistance under the terms, conditions, covenants, waivers and releases I agree to by signing this contract, and by doing so, I specifically acknowledge and reaffirm all other waivers, releases and agreements I have signed with any Church of Scientology.

2. This contract is my statement of my personal understanding concerning Scientology religious tenets and my statements reflecting my own beliefs and desires. By signing this Contract, I recognize, acknowledge and agree that:

a. Scientology is a religion, the Church is a church of the Scientology religion and all the services and activities of the Scientology religion are exclusively religious in nature.

b. Scientology is unalterably opposed, as a matter of religious belief, to the practice of psychiatry, and espouses as a religious belief that the study of the mind and the healing of mentally caused ills should not be alienated from religion or condoned in nonreligious fields. I am in full agreement with this religious belief. I do not believe in or subscribe to psychiatric labels for individuals It is my strongly held religious belief that all mental problems are spiritual in nature and that there is no such thing as a mentally incompetent person-- only those suffering from spiritual upset of one kind or another dramatized by an individual. I reject all psychiatric labels and intend for this Contract to clearly memorialize my desire to be helped exclusively through religious, spiritual means and not through any form of psychiatric treatment, specifically including involuntary commitment based on so-called lack of competence. Under no circumstances, at any time, do I wish to be denied my right to care from members of my religion to the exclusion of psychiatric care or psychiatric directed care, regardless of what any psychiatrist, medical person, designated member of the state or family member may assert supposedly on my behalf. If circumstances should ever arise in which government, medical or psychiatric officials or personnel or family members or friends attempt to compel or coerce or commit me for psychiatric evaluation, treatment or hospitalization, I fully desire and expect that the Church or Scientologists will intercede on my behalf to oppose such efforts and/or extricate me from that predicament so my spiritual needs may be addressed in accordance with the tenets of the Scientology religion.

c. As I so strongly disagree, as a matter of religious principle, with the use of psychiatric treatment for anyone, including myself, I reject the usage of psychiatric labels and I believe in assisting individuals through religious and spiritual means. Therefore, I am hereby specifying that should I get into a situation in the future, unlikely as it is, where others may think that I need psychiatric treatment of any kind, that I instead desire to receive Scientology spiritual assistance and that it can include, but is not limited to, the Introspection Rundown. Further, I realize that in the future it may consequently be suggested by a senior Scientology minister, should the need arise, that I receive such spiritual assistance, and again, I want to make it clear that under such circumstances I desire to receive Scientology Spiritual Assistance, which may include, but not be limited to, the Introspection Rundown.

d. The Scientology religion teaches that the spirit can be saved and that the spirit alone may save or heal the body, and the Introspection Rundown is intended to save the spirit. I understand that the Introspection Rundown is an intensive, rigorous Religious Service that includes being isolated from all sources of potential spiritual upset, including but not limited to family members, friends or others with whom I might normally interact. As part of the Introspection Rundown, I specifically consent to Church members being with me 24 hours a day at the direction of my Case Supervisor, in accordance with the tenets and custom of the Scientology religion. The Case Supervisor will determine the time period in which I will remain isolated, according to the beliefs and practices of the Scientology religion. I further specifically acknowledge that the duration of any such isolation is uncertain, determined only by my spiritual condition, but that such duration will be completely at the discretion of the Case Supervisor. I also specifically consent to the presence of Church members around the clock for whatever length of time is necessary to perform the Introspection Rundown's processes and to achieve the spiritual results of the Introspection Rundown. I understand, acknowledge and agree that the Introspection Rundown addresses only the individual's spiritual needs and I freely consent, without reservation, and without condition or limitation, to Church members conducting the Introspection Rundown, and that I accept and assume all known and unknown risks of injury, loss, or damage resulting from my decision to participate in the Introspection Rundown and specifically absolve all persons and entities from all liabilities of any kind, without limitation, associated with my participation or their participation in my Introspection Rundown.

I HAVE CAREFULLY READ THIS CONTRACT AND FULLY UNDERSTAND ITS CONTENTS AND CONSEQUENCES. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT I AM NOT ELIGIBLE FOR SPIRITUAL ASSISTANCE UNLESS I SIGN THIS CONTRACT. WHILE IT IS UNLIKELY THAT I WILL EVER BE IN A CONDITION WHERE PSYCHIATRIC INTERVENTION MAY BE DEEMED AN OPTION, I HEREWITH REAFFIRM THAT IN SUCH AN EVENT I WISH TO RECEIVE ONLY SCIENTOLOGY SPIRITUAL ASSISTANCE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE INTROSPECTION RUNDOWN, AND THAT THIS CHOICE IS AN INDEPENDENT EXERCISE OF MY OWN FREE WILL. I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT BY SIGNING BELOW, I AM FOREVER GIVING UP MY RIGHT TO SUE THE CHURCH, ITS STAFF AND ANY OF THE RELEASEES NAMED IN THE GENERAL RELEASE I SIGNED, FOR ANY INJURY OR DAMAGE SUFFERED IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH SCIENTOLOGY RELIGIOUS SERVICES OR SPIRITUAL ASSISTANCE.

I sign this Agreement and General Release Regarding Spiritual Assistance on this __ day of _________, 20__, intending to be legally bound to it, and request that I be permitted to participate in spiritual assistance.

______________________________________________
(SIGNATURE OF APPLICANT}

______________________________________________
(Printed Full Name)

______________________________________________
(Home Address)

______________________________________________
(SIGNATURE OF PARENT OR GUARDIAN, IF APPLICANT IS A MINOR)

______________________________________________
(Printed Full Name)

______________________________________________
(Home Address)

______________________________________________


______________________________________________
(SIGNATURE OF WITNESS)

______________________________________________
(Printed Full Name)

Having reviewed the above Agreement and General Release for spiritual assistance, including, but not limited to the Introspection Rundown, the Church, in reliance upon, and conditioned upon, the truthful promises, representation and agreements made therein, on this ___ day of _______, 20__, accepts _________________ for participation in spiritual assistance in the future as needed.

CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY ____________________________________

By its: _____________________________________________
(Title)

(SIGNATURE) _________________________________________________





© 2001 CSFSO all rights reserved. Flag Service Org Corporate symbol SCIENTOLOGY and INTROSPECTION RUNDOWN are trademarks & service marks owned by Religious Technology Center and are used with its permission SCIENTOLOGISTS is a collective membership mark designating members of the affiliated churches and missions of Scientology. Services relating to Scientology religious philisophy are delivered throughout the world exclusively by licensees of the Church of Scientology International with the permission of Religious Technology Center holder of the SCIENTOLOGY and DIANETICS trademarks. Printed in U S A

 
the Introspection Rundown is an intensive, rigorous Religious Service that includes being isolated from all sources of potential spiritual upset, including but not limited to family members, friends or others with whom I might normally interact. As part of the Introspection Rundown, I specifically consent to Church members being with me 24 hours a day at the direction of my Case Supervisor

Bolding is mine. Are there any other religions that make you sign a contract like that!?!?!? That is the craziest thing I've ever heard of!!! These are typical brainwashing and cult tactics -- isolation from those who will talk you out of things, surrounding you w/members so nobody *can* try to talk you out of it, etc. How can people say this is not a cult!?!?

It seems like every other religion I know of allows you to enter and leave at your discretion. I can't recall any other "religions" that isolate you from friends/family/etc.? Are there other "religions" that give you a church member to stay w/you 24 hrs/day?!!? Make you sign a contract!? This stinks of being a cult!!!

I know that I could leave my religion w/no questions asked. I don't recall ever signing a contract like that w/my religion! And, I certainly don't have a Case Supervisor!!!! This whole Scientology thing is just bizarre!!!!
 
Daxx said:
This whole Scientology thing is just bizarre!!!!

I know....

I was baptised Presbyterian, and havent stepped foot in church siiiiiince "Sunday School" back when I was like 10.

You dont see them banging down my door, having me followed, harrassing and threatning me.

It's odd.
 
CathrynRose said:
I was baptised Presbyterian, and havent stepped foot in church siiiiiince "Sunday School" back when I was like 10.

You dont see them banging down my door, having me followed, harrassing and threatning me.

My point, exactly!!!! Do any other religions stalk, harrass or threaten you if you've "dropped out" of them?!!?
 
CathrynRose said:
*giggle!!!* Why do I get so excited when I find horribly creepy and frightning links?!?! LOL! :rotfl:

Okey-doke...check out this scary, scary "contract". It's what they sign when they join the "church". They sign away - pretty much - all their human rights. :sad2:

From: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeta/scn/scans/Introspection-Release.html





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Everytime I think I have read the craziest thing ever about this "church", I find something else. This is seriously creepy. What real religion would make you sign something like this???
 
robertsmom said:
Everytime I think I have read the craziest thing ever about this "church", I find something else. This is seriously creepy. What real religion would make you sign something like this???

ITA! Only a cult would make it's members sign a document like that. :sad2:
 
CathrynRose, please be careful when you go visiting the Scientology sites, :surfweb: especially of you see any spinning pinwheels or flashing images:

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They may contain some hidden subliminals to suck you over the the Scientology side. ;) We'd hate to lose you, especially as you are doing all this research for us. :grouphug:
:rotfl2:
 
There's a website.... I cant post it here, cuz it contains....stuff that isnt appropriate for these boards.

Howver in addition to the "bad (gross, nasty)" stuff you can get a wonderful BIO of LRON, as well as the connection between he and Crowley (Mr Satanism himself)

The website starts with an *R* Means, bad.... ummm, spoiled...along those lines.

I bet if you searched "crowley hubbard" in google, it would pull it up as an option, too.....maybe like the 5th one down. ;)

 
That's some pretty weird stuff, CathrynRose!!! Yikes!!!!
 
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