Oh me, oh my-does baby Suri really exist???update now aka "The Suri Challenge"

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If you guys have some time on your paws - you can see a Google Video (old too.... 1980's-ish) of:
This interview features Gabe Cazares who was Mayor of Clearwater, Florida when Scientology snuck into the city under an assumed name. Gabe ... all » courageously took them on and was savagely attacked by Scientology in numerous covert operations which were later uncovered when the FBI raided Scientology's headquarters.



http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache...+Cazares+scientology&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3
 
Oooo - this is interesting. A letter of apology sent to (several people) from a former Scientology guard. Even mentions apologies to John Travolta. .... I guess they flex'd their muscles with him, too - ALLEGEDLY

ETA - got it from here: http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache...+Cazares+scientology&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6


Apology to Mayor Gabe Cazares,
Richard Leiby and the Citizens of Clearwater Florida by an ex-Scientology Guardian


Dear Mayor Gabe Cazares, Richard Leiby and the Citizens of Clearwater,

I would like to apologize for things I did over 20 years ago. I used to belong to Scientology's Guardian's Office, which is now called 'OSA', short for 'The Office of Special Affairs.'

I was very young, about 20 and just starting out at San Jose State University and accepted into the Marine Corps Naval OCS (Officer Candidate School ) Aviator Program. I hadn't been at school for long when I met a young lady dying of a blood disease who asked me to go to a Scientology Lecture. I did and being a dreamer at heart it didn't take me long before I signed my billion year contract to L. Ron Hubbard's Sea Organization and moved to your lovely city of Clearwater.

My job was first in Public Relations. We had an incredible infrastructure of intelligence officers, private eyes, legal people, and more. I felt like I was working for the CIA and saving the planet from evil. It was an incredible feeling of power and rightiousness with an "army" of friends.

You old time residents probably know me from when the Clearwater Sun ran a picture of me and my uniformed "Nazi commandos" at the Clearwater Sun Building when we did our "we're being persecuted" protest. Nancy Reitze was my boss and she orchestrated Hubbards "Positioning Technology" on Clearwater. Which was to position the Clearwater Sun to something evil, and thru our "Survey Technology." The evil chosen was Nazism. So position them to them. The idea was do anything to stop reporter Richard Leiby and the Clearwater Sun from printing anything "entheta" i.e. anything negative.

I remember going to staff meetings where private eyes were sent out to find "mud" about Richard Leiby to "discredit him". Our info bureau reported that they couldn't get any dirt on Richard, so the next directive was get dirt on his girlfriend or wife, or whatever it took to silence him. There were many episodes like this that took place while I was there.

I want to apologize to all the Citizens of Clearwater for my being so misdirected and under undue influence that I would use whatever means it took to get the job done, including participating in organizing the Nazi demonstration in front of the Clearwater Sun.

I want to apologize to Mayor Gabe Cazares, for being the one who was sent in to monitor or disrupt his meeting at the VFW, Veterans of Foreign Wars.

I want to apologize to reporter Richard Leiby, for stealing copies of the Clearwater Sun from Newstands in Clearwater, so that Citizens could not read a critical article written by Richard Leiby.

I want to apologize for being part of organization that did these things and others, in order to try to dominate your city.

It's been a long and difficult road to recovery for me. I was excommunicated from the church because I wanted to leave. My wife and I had a child and a child on the way. I was declared an "SP". That's the most awful fate you can receive from the church. My wife had to disconnect from me and I couldn't talk to her unless my communication was monitored by the Church of Scientology's "International Justice Chief". She begged me to stay in Clearwater and to beg the church to release the Suppressive Person Declare on me so I could be there for our 2nd child. I did and said anything to get that awful fate removed.

I remember I called home to my mother in California to help me out. I was outside a 7-eleven type of fast food mart and left my wallet at the top of the pay phone. I only had about $17.00 in it and my driver's license. I was at complete bottom. I believed I was the scum of the earth, and totally useless to mankind. I had done home birth with my first daughter and I couldn't even be around for my newborn.

I didn't want anything to do with religion anymore and I knew I would be hunted if I talked about what I knew. It has taken many years of help and caring of loving people to put me back together again. I also learned how to forgive myself and I wanted to ask you, the Clearwater residents, to forgive me as well. Christ said to the father, "forgive them for they know not of what they do" and if wasn't for his teaching you would not of received this apology. I no longer fear the church and what they will do once you get this apology.

This has taken courage on my part to do this as once the church gets a hold of this letter, then the discrediting, and harassment policy begins. And since I have no crimes to expose, then the LRH policy of 'make something up,' will apply, like the claim they are a child molester and the stigma will remain even after the person they attack has spent piles of money to prove their innocence. 'Always attack and never defend' LRH said. I'm sure they are putting a "Dead Agent" package together the minute this page goes public. Just like they did when your courageous Mayor Gabe Cazares opposed them..

This usually silences people.

I remember the time John Travolta would come to Clearwater and he use to say he loved Scientology but didn't like the Scientolgy management. Well it was our Guardian's Intelligence office that collected his "confidential confessionals" from his supposedly private and confidential counseling records to compile a dead agent package for use in case he went against the church. Since I didn't see anymore negative talk from him, I guess he was "handled".

I'd like to apologize to John Travolta, as well, for not recognizing that I was in a mafia strong arm operation and now believe that exposing your secrets, if you did not toe the line that management wanted, was wrong.

I want to apologize to all that I harmed in the name of "saving the planet from evil doers" in believing that I was doing "good". I have placed this letter of apology and my story on the web at http://www.lermanet2.com/garyweber/ as part of my continued journey of recovery.

I also want to especially thank an incredible Clearwater resident man named Don Mains. He let me stay at his house when I had no where to go, he loaned me money when I didn't have any, he helped me get a job so I could get back on my feet. Don was in charge of bringing the spirit of life hang gliders from I believe it was Chicago to Clearwater and Jazz player Dizzy Gillespie into the Clearwater park. I owe this man a great debt of gratitude. Let him know that I finally went on to get my pilot and flight engineering license and have become a valuable citizen again.

I hope you find it in your heart to forgive me for not knowing what was right and wrong.

But, for me, right now, writing this letter, and telling my story is my way to finally:

Do the right thing.

Sincerely

Gary Weber

Ex-member of Scientology's Flag Guardian's Office
in Clearwater Florida

Read Gary Weber's complete story here
 
SplshMtn99 said:
OMG..... I HAVE TO TELL YOU GUYS THIS!!! It's SOOOO IMPORTANT!!!

It's 2:30am. House it hot & I can't sleep. Sitting here playing Poppit on Pogo.com......and all of a sudden, I remember something from like 30 yrs ago - childhood. The most trivial thing really. But I must be REALLY messed up for this memory to have surfaced after all these years. 30 yrs ago, I was at a friends house & used the mothers Flicker disposable razor. I turned it thru all 5 blades...and there is no turning those razors back. So it became useless.(remember those? value maybe $2) The mother kept asking my friend & her other children "which one of you did this?". I'm pretty sure I never confessed. :guilty:

OMG. I have such guilt. :guilty: I've been carrying this engram around all this time. I think I need to get in the car & drive to that Galleria Mall in NY & find those Scientologists. I need help now. I can't go on in life with this guilt. CathrynRose, what section of the bookstore was it again that you found Dianetics in? I need to get a copy ASAP in the morning. I'll pay ANYTHING to be cured of this guilt. Anything I tell ya! I don't have time to pack or leave a note for my sleeping husband. I must go NOW!!!

This thread has helped me see everything thats been wrong in my life. Oh help me Tom Cruise!!!!!!!!
I can tell, this is going to be an amazing thing. Just really amazing. And so great. Really great & amazing.






:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
(Oh, & I really did just remember that incident. Maybe I really do need their help? :crazy: )

Don't walk RUN to the nearest bookstore's self-help section then go see War of the Worlds. There may still be hope for you.
 
Ooooo! Found new website - pretty good one too! Updated as recently as end of July:

http://www.lermanet2.com/

It has some really interesting articles - one being Christopher Reeve blasting Scientology - as well as Karen Black having *just* left Scientology after many years. :thumbsup2

ETA - Alright - this site is phenomenal! Look at this link, too:

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/la-weekly/laweekly-inside-scientology.htm

Just go to that site and start clicking - you can click like crazy and its fillllled with goodies! pirate:
 

CathrynRose said:
Ooooo! Found new website - pretty good one too! Updated as recently as end of July:

http://www.lermanet2.com/

It has some really interesting articles - one being Christopher Reeve blasting Scientology - as well as Karen Black having *just* left Scientology after many years. :thumbsup2

ETA - Alright - this site is phenomenal! Look at this link, too:

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/la-weekly/laweekly-inside-scientology.htm

Just go to that site and start clicking - you can click like crazy and its fillllled with goodies! pirate:



Well, that helped me pass an hour! You find the most interesting stuff!! Thank goodness I'm not feeling well today and have allowed myself time to read!

and with that I bring this back to page 1!!! :teeth:
 
Penelope Cruz has seen Suri!!! She says "she is one of the most beautiful babies I've ever seen"

http://www.rr.com/flash/index.cfm scroll down to top headlines. It will not let me post a direct link but she says the she has seen her. Hhhmmm... that's odd. Now other websites have reported the ALLEGED P. Cruz siting.


Penelope Cruz says she's met Suri Cruise
LONDON(AP) She may not be seeing much of ex-beau Tom Cruise anymore, but Penelope Cruz is among those who say they have seen his baby daughter, Suri.

Cruz, who dated Cruise from 2001 to 2004, declined to offer details of the meeting, but praised Suri as a special baby.

"She's really beautiful. She's one of the most beautiful babies I've ever seen," the 32-year-old actress said. She was in London Thursday night to attend the British premiere of her new film, "Volver."

Suri, the daughter of Cruise, 44, and his fiancee, Katie Holmes, 27, was born in Los Angeles on April 18. She has yet to be seen in public.

However, actresses Jada Pinkett Smith and Leah Remini have reported seeing Suri, in separate visits to the Cruise-Holmes mansion in Los Angeles.

Pinkett Smith has described Suri as "one of the sweetest babies I've ever met in my life," while Remini has said the baby "looks like Tom and Katie, she's just beautiful."

Cruz was photographed earlier this week in St. Tropez, France, partying on the yacht of rap mogul Sean "Diddy" Combs alongside actress-socialite Paris Hilton and Sarah Ferguson, the duchess of York.

"It was fun and crazy," Cruz said. "I don't party too much but that night I was on holiday. I've known Diddy for a while since we worked together on a campaign and became friends."
 
OH Geez louise! KristiKelly! You beat me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just read that article and came runing here! you all are too quick! Well looks like P.Cruz is still on the payroll........................
 
Wow, Katie, excuse me Kate, must be really a very nice person to let his ex girlfriend see the baby before her family did!

Not only that but these people that are saying she is the prettiest and sweetest baby they have ever seen :confused3 what about their own kids? OK Penelope doesn't have kids but she must have relatives with kids. f she was my sister or friend and said that about another baby publicly I would be P.o'd.
 
Tupelo Honey said:
I wonder how much dirt Cruise has on her? :confused3
That was my first thought, too!

Nancy said:
Not only that but these people that are saying she is the prettiest and sweetest baby they have ever seen
I think this is the "standard" line that Leah Remini, Jada Pinkett Smith and Penelope Cruz have been told to say to the media.

I am beginning to think that there's a lot to this. Think about it ...
Remini is a Scientologist. No doubt she'll have "seen" the baby. She's drinking the kool-aid and says/does what she's told to say/do. Cruz is a former girlfriend and, I'm sure that Tom has some scoop on her that he'd let fly if she didn't cooperate. Finally, the Smiths could either be on the road to Scientology or Cruise has dirt on them and they're giving the same response for fear of being found out.

These three celebs have allegedly seen the baby, yet Katie's parents haven't!? There is something seriously wrong w/that!!!!

And, how strange that his ex girlfriend has seen the baby but his former wife, whom he has to deal with b/c of the other kids, hasn't seen Suri yet. Wouldn't you think that she'd have seen the baby by now and said something to the press?! I find it rather odd that Nicole hasn't publicly commented one way or another. I'm sure they both have an equal amount of dirt on each other and could possibly bring down each other's careers if one decides to reveal something about the other.
 
KristiKelly said:
Cruz was photographed earlier this week in St. Tropez, France, partying on the yacht of rap mogul Sean "Diddy" Combs alongside actress-socialite Paris Hilton and Sarah Ferguson, the duchess of York.

"It was fun and crazy," Cruz said. "I don't party too much but that night I was on holiday. I've known Diddy for a while since we worked together on a campaign and became friends."

That sounds like a weird combo of friends. I'm always amazed when I hear so&so are friends with so&so.
 
OK, here is a question, who could claim to have seen Suri that we would believe? We have dismissed the Smiths by saying they are drinking the kool-aid, I think they were the most trustworthy of those who have said they have seen her. But the "drinking the kool-aid thing would work for anyone, wouldn't it?

I think I would believe Katie's parents. Unless they finally showed a pic of Suri and she really does look like Tom and Katie.
 
Katie's parents or siblings are about the only people I'm willing to believe right about now.
 
Tupelo Honey said:
I wonder how much dirt Cruise has on her? :confused3
OMG, I forgot ALL about Penelope...my namesake. ;) So, I wonder if she was going to be a "kool-aide drinker". :rolleyes:
 
You know, now that Penelope has seen Suri, and says "she is the most beautiful baby I've ever seen."

I just don't understand why Tom has not been offered more money than Brad's baby. Suri is OBVIOUSLY THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BABY IN THE WORLD! I mean, I don't think there is another baby that matches her beauty. Look at all the celebs who say so. The most beautiful baby that has not had one picture taken of her. Come on, people. You're a servant in Tom's mansion. You are dusting of all the pictures of the most beautiful baby in the world, and you are not going to slip a picture or two out of the house to cash in?

The more people that come forward, just makes it more clear that this is the biggest joke of a farse.

Yeah, the EX girlfriend of my baby's father is going to see the baby before my own parents? Before my future step-children's mom? :rotfl2: riiiiiiiiiight!

A message for Katie's parents: My heart breaks for you, it really does. You daughter is in the hands of a madman. But, even though your granddaughter is almost 4 months old, and you have not seen her yet, hold your head high! Walk proud, KNOWING that your granddaughter is the MOST BEAUTIFUL BABY IN THE WORLD! I know this because 4 people have said so! :rolleyes:
 
Disney1fan2002 said:
I just don't understand why Tom has not been offered more money than Brad's baby. Suri is OBVIOUSLY THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BABY IN THE WORLD! I mean, I don't think there is another baby that matches her beauty. Look at all the celebs who say so.

I've wondered about this myself. I mean, obviously Suri makes baby Shiloh Nouvel look like she belongs in Lord Of The Rings, so why won't anyone fork over the dough to be dazzled by her beauty?? :confused3 :teeth:
 
I stayed awake WAY too late one night reading through as much of this thread as I could. I am so impressed with some of the theories. Very thought provoking!

Also, I'm thrilled to see some mention of Buffalo! I live in OP. I go to the Galleria mall often (McKinley doesn't have a Gymboree anymore, rats) and I give the creepy white-haired Scientology guy dirty looks while I buy my Proactiv for my friend at the Kiosk across the way. I hope the proximity of the Scientology kiosk hasn't infiltrated the Proactiv.

Also did anyone mention Chef's restaurant? Or Chaivette's marinade? Mmmm...had me some Chiavette's chicken on the grill for dinner tonight.
 
Sonya said:
OK, here is a question, who could claim to have seen Suri that we would believe? We have dismissed the Smiths by saying they are drinking the kool-aid, I think they were the most trustworthy of those who have said they have seen her. But the "drinking the kool-aid thing would work for anyone, wouldn't it?

I think I would believe Katie's parents. Unless they finally showed a pic of Suri and she really does look like Tom and Katie.

OK.....until someone who has posted here on this site on the DIS sees that baby - it does not exist. period. And even then....I need a picture..with the real parents.
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Hi emer95! :wave:

There are 2 of us from Kenmore that post on this Suri thread a lot.

I haven't been to Chefs in years! But I do have a bottle of Chiavettas in pantry. Today I made chicken but used the Memphis BBQ sauce from Wegmans instead.
 
rmom50 said:
OK.....until someone who has posted here on this site on the DIS sees that baby - it does not exist. period. And even then....I need a picture..with the real parents.
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