Obama's Speech

I listened to his speech this morning. He is a great speaker and very good with words. I thought what he said was thoughtful and did take courage to address. I also think he really wants to be POTUS. It is hard to know what any of them say to be the truth. I do think this is a discussion that is long overdue in our country.
 
When did Obama say that blacks are the only people in this country who feel like victims sometimes?

Obama is a black man and the speech was a response to comments made about black-white relations by a black pastor. That's why the speech was about black-white issues. It was a speech about who Obama is and the issues that surround his candidacy. And those issues are not anti-Semitism or anti-Islamism.

He also said White's often times feel like they are victims of injustice. Bussing, Affirmative Action, etc... he made it very clear that it wasn't just blacks that felt mistreated. When speaking about children, I think he mentioned every color out there...

Here are the things he said in regards to all races:

As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.
.
.
For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances - for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives - by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny.
.
.
The profound mistake of Reverend Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It's that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country - a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past. But what we know -- what we have seen - is that America can change. That is true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved gives us hope - the audacity to hope - for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.
.
.
That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, "Not this time." This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can't learn; that those kids who don't look like us are somebody else's problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time.

This time we want to talk about how the lines in the Emergency Room are filled with whites and blacks and Hispanics who do not have health care; who don't have the power on their own to overcome the special interests in Washington, but who can take them on if we do it together.
 
And some of what Wright said, like about the AIDS virus, goes beyond offensive to blatant lies.

.

I am not saying this to defend Pastor Wright at all,but I can tell you that IME many people believe this..Many people, especially with things like the Tuskegee experiment in the past
 
I am not saying this to defend Pastor Wright at all,but I can tell you that IME many people believe this..Many people, especially with things like the Tuskegee experiment in the past

And many more people will continue to, if people like Barack and Michelle Obama bring their daughters up in a church that believes it.

I just don't see how people can continue to have total blinders on, when it comes to Obama's change message. He doesn't appear to have tried to change the mindset of his church community, or if he has tried, he hasn't been very successful. That's not just based on Wright's more controversial remarks during sermons, but on the agreement you hear on the part of the audience in those videotapes.

But somehow, he's suppose to be able to change the entire country's mindset?

I'm starting to wonder if his real agenda is to change the 70-80% who are offended by Rev. Wright's remarks and get us to agree with them. :rolleyes:
 

If at the time of your marriage, you knew he was a molestor. If when he baptised your children you knew he was a molestor. And if every year you gave a considerable amount of $ to support his teachings, and praised him publically over a 20 year period....then yes I would hold you accountable.:guilty:

I agree.
 
And many more people will continue to, if people like Barack and Michelle Obama bring their daughters up in a church that believes it.

I just don't see how people can continue to have total blinders on, when it comes to Obama's change message. He doesn't appear to have tried to change the mindset of his church community, or if he has tried, he hasn't been very successful. That's not just based on Wright's more controversial remarks during sermons, but on the agreement you hear on the part of the audience in those videotapes.

But somehow, he's suppose to be able to change the entire country's mindset?

I'm starting to wonder if his real agenda is to change the 70-80% who are offended by Rev. Wright's remarks and get us to agree with them. :rolleyes:


You dont know this. No one from his church has been interviewed, TMK. Just because the pastor said these things DOES NOT mean the congregation has those opinions. And because you may have heard some Amens, does not mean that it is a hate-filled group. Yes the pastor said some horrible things. But Obama has never said anything like this , in fact , he says the complete opposite, and has for years.

Words do matter, both Rev. Wrights and Obamas. It isnt right to discount either. So read or listen to the speech, every word. It is important.

Hopefully, our children will study it in decades to come.
 
I have listened to the speech & it hasnt changed me. Obama went to this church for 20 yrs & I wont say what I thought of the sermons. Especially considering that many of the things brought up have been from recent history. It was a nice speach but damage control from a politicion. First he said he wasnt there for the speaches but now he said was for some of them, that says alot. And someone mentioned here that the Rev thought afro americans couldnt be elected. I dont know where hes been in this state, we elected Obama US senator & state rep, Chicago has had 2 afro american mayors, 1 appointed, 1 elected, the Cook County Board has had an afro american as president for many yrs, Jesse White has been the IL Secretary of State for many yrs & has done a fine job. Then you look nationally to members on the Supreme Court, high offices in the white house, Collin Powell as head of the Jt Chiefs. Yes we have problems, we always will have people that will dislike others for their race, religion, habits, to fat, to thin, to short, whatever.
 
That's the same reaction I have when I hear some of the venomous, bigoted, and hate filled things that spew from some of the Fundamentalist Evangelical Clergymen and Lay People, and I hear some people giving it a pass.

I have to agree. Does everyone know what every preacher in your extended church says? Nope you don't.

So that being said, you have NO idea what you are supporting as most churches are part of a bigger organization that supports the one possibly all of the following:

No sex before marriage - no planned parenthood, no abortion (going to you know where for it)
Gays are abhorant (Hate)
All religions but Christanty are WRONG.

All of these things are intolerance and ignorance. :headache: I myself am Christian and I have heard all of the above in the 6 different religious organizations I have been a part of. I am still a Christian.

Now on to the preachers behind McCain. Are they being talked about with as much hatred as I read here ---Nope? They have said among other things that Katrina is the USA's punishment for Gays, We should eradicate all of Islam.

Where is the outrage? McCain is not trying to distance himself from that kind of hatred against a race, creed or orientation.

I like that Obama is at least trying to address a very hard subject. Do I think it will change the mind of anyone against him - nope. Will it hurt him - yeah some. Will people be able to see past this one item to see the bigger picture - I don't know - I can only hope.
 
You dont know this. No one from his church has been interviewed, TMK. Just because the pastor said these things DOES NOT mean the congregation has those opinions. And because you may have heard some Amens, does not mean that it is a hate-filled group. Yes the pastor said some horrible things. But Obama has never said anything like this , in fact , he says the complete opposite, and has for years.

Words do matter, both Rev. Wrights and Obamas. It isnt right to discount either. So read or listen to the speech, every word. It is important.

Hopefully, our children will study it in decades to come.

It was noted this morning that these sermons were not sermons for the entire congregation... only a small subset of the congregation, there were no 8000 people in the church at the times of these particular services. This was noted this morning on MSNBC
 
You dont know this. No one from his church has been interviewed, TMK. Just because the pastor said these things DOES NOT mean the congregation has those opinions. And because you may have heard some Amens, does not mean that it is a hate-filled group. Yes the pastor said some horrible things. But Obama has never said anything like this , in fact , he says the complete opposite, and has for years.

Words do matter, both Rev. Wrights and Obamas. It isnt right to discount either. So read or listen to the speech, every word. It is important.

Hopefully, our children will study it in decades to come.


Not to put too fine a point on it, but I heard and saw a great deal more than "some Amens." I saw a congregation rising to their feet and applauding louding and enthusiastically in agreement. I heard no gasps of surprise and definitely none of disapproval. No, what I saw was a crowd who was very much in sync with what Rev. Wright was ranting about in those sorry excuses for sermons. They were WITH HIM. Since we keep hearing about what a community this church is, it is disingenous to claim that the minister and the rest of the congregation were in unison on these occasions regarding these attitudes and yet somehow the Obamas managed to stay out of the philisophical loop for 20 years. It is simply not credible, no matter how eloquently and repeatedly it is asserted.

And yes, words DO matter. But actions and deeds matter just as much. Since I cannot believe that Obama was ignorant of the minister's true attitude and philosophy all those years, then I must believe he either agreed with Rev. Wright or just didn't think his hatefulness was that objectionable. He continues to say we all have disagreements with our pastors, but we do not leave our church over them. But he is wrong and this must be where we are different and why I cannot relate to him. I have indeed left a church when the minister did much less objectionable things than this, but that I still thought I could not give tacit approval to what he said by sitting there silently. And I made sure the minister knew why. In another instance, DH and I were on the verge of joining a church when the minister sent out a letter stating his opinion regarding President Clinton's impeachment. I let him know he had crossed a line as far as we were concerned and that his actions had stopped us from joining this church. So yes...Some of us DO walk out and not come back when a minister goes too far.

People can say anything. Heaven knows politicians are gifted at it. If Obama had said anything different today, I'd have been stunned. It was predictable and nothing new. I have no idea why people are acting as if this is some earth-shattering revelation. We've heard this stuff before. And I know it sounds great, so appealing and we'd all LOVE to grab hold of it. But his track record isn't giving me a lot of hope. I fear this is the same old, same old, just with a much more gifted speaker who can talk the talk, but has not walked the walk when you take a good, hard look. :headache:

It was, however, a brilliant exercise in damage control. That is probably what will be studied for decades to come.
 
It was noted this morning that these sermons were not sermons for the entire congregation... only a small subset of the congregation, there were no 8000 people in the church at the times of these particular services. This was noted this morning on MSNBC

The GD America speech was this past Christmas Day!!!!:eek:
 
Word by word, sentence by sentence, someone tell me something they can truly argue with in that speech.

The actual speech. The words and ideas expressed. Not imagined judgements you have already made about the man. I just cant fathom how anyone can argue the points made were not a completely honest and accurate depiction of the world we live in.
 
You had your mind made up before the video and were looking for something to latch onto about your dislike of Obama. I think that is pretty clear.

I think that goes for about 99% of the people posting negative things about Obama on this thread. Some of them are pretending that they had more positive views of Obama before this, but anyone who has been keeping up with all the political threads knows where most of the political posters stand on the various candidates.
 
I think that goes for about 99% of the people posting negative things about Obama on this thread. Some of them are pretending that they had more positive views of Obama before this, but anyone who has been keeping up with all the political threads knows where most of the political posters stand on the various candidates.

Oh for sure, without a doubt. I just think some people are blind to the broader issue of race that Obama spoke honestly about today - it was the first time I can remember a politician addressing that head on.
 
I am not saying this to defend Pastor Wright at all,but I can tell you that IME many people believe this..Many people, especially with things like the Tuskegee experiment in the past

:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2

While I don't agree with the Wright's words, I can understand where the hurt and anger comes from.
 
Oh for sure, without a doubt. I just think some people are blind to the broader issue of race that Obama spoke honestly about today - it was the first time I can remember a politician addressing that head on.

Show after show tonight, article after article coming out tonight or tomorrow indicate there has not been a modern political speech in which race was so broadly discussed politically, and Obama was the person to give it.... There are many articles surfacing now and they will be out there tomorrow, whether or not people choose to keep their heads buried to the issues we still face, whether or not they believe the heartfelt words, that's their choice, but people saw an authentic speech. What they saw was not the politically safe way to go... Obama was warned not to give the speech he gave, it was too close to the bubbling point, he said this is who he was, and he was going with it, that's according to Axelrod....
 


Disney Vacation Planning. Free. Done for You.
Our Authorized Disney Vacation Planners are here to provide personalized, expert advice, answer every question, and uncover the best discounts. Let Dreams Unlimited Travel take care of all the details, so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy a stress-free vacation.
Start Your Disney Vacation
Disney EarMarked Producer

New Posts







DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter

Add as a preferred source on Google

Back
Top Bottom