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Follow the link to the article, it will only be available for free today... they only let you read the prior or current days news for free...

Experience for Clinton has always been an issue, she doesn't have much of it on face value, why do you think it is they will not release her documents as first lady? There was only one thing she tried to accomplish on her own and it failed. She was a shoe in for the NY State Senate & her time there is the only legislative experience she has. Obama has MORE legislative experience than she does..

As for the graphs, were those taken prior to Pastor Gate? Clinton has always had an unfavorable rating around 49%...

I just noticed on RealClear Politics, that McCain would still win Ohio, PA and FL whether it was Clinton or Obama at the top of the ticket, although Obama held a more sizable National lead.

I do think she has been a fighter for children's health insurance but this article shows that she's been exaggerating her role when the SCHIP bill was first introduced to the Clinton WH.

I would think Obama's favorables take a hit in the next Gallup poll.
 
Okay, I gotta take a break from the boards. The Hillary and Pastor threads are absolutely sickening. :sad2:
 
Okay, I gotta take a break from the boards. The Hillary and Pastor threads are absolutely sickening. :sad2:

You should stay FAR FAR away from those threads!! Stay where it is safe...

Maybe I'll start a post on the Bear Stearns fiasco, how many do you think even know who they are or what the implications are? Might get 5 responses, one of which would be from you :rotfl2:
 

Obama's interview with the Chicago Tribune about Rezko, published today:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obamafullwebmar16,0,7569169.story?page=1

I'm through the first 3 pages so far and I really like how he is sitting down with them and going through everything.

Thanks for the link. I've always thought this was much ado about nothing. It's another example of being automatically guilty by association. Even the press isn't really interested. I do wish the press would turn up the pressure to get those Clinton tax returns out though.
 
Okay, I gotta take a break from the boards. The Hillary and Pastor threads are absolutely sickening. :sad2:

Don't read it. Let the posters that use "NObama" stickers in their siggies instead of supporting their own candidate wallow in their hate alone.
 
Thanks for the link. I've always thought this was much ado about nothing. It's another example of being automatically guilty by association. Even the press isn't really interested. I do wish the press would turn up the pressure to get those Clinton tax returns out though.

This really is a great link, I'm also on about the third page at the moment....

There are a lot of things the press should turn up the heat on for both Clinton and McCain...

Wow, that was a great read, very long 14 pages, but the best insight I think we've seen in newsprint... Tim, thanks for bringing it over...
 
Don't read it. Let the posters that use "NObama" stickers in their siggies instead of supporting their own candidate wallow in their hate alone.

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Meh, all the ones complaining about Obama's ex-pastor would never have voted for Barack anyway. Rod Parsley isn't the greatest example of a "spiritual guide", either, but I don't think McCain is a brainwashable fool any more than Obama or Clinton are. Parsley is not why I won't vote for McCain. I already made the decision not to. The people who won't let the pastor thing go already made their decision not to vote for Obama.
 
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Meh, all the ones complaining about Obama's ex-pastor would never have voted for Barack anyway. Rod Parsley isn't the greatest example of a "spiritual guide", either, but I don't think McCain is a brainwashable fool any more than Obama or Clinton are. Parsley is not why I won't vote for McCain. I already made the decision not to. The people who won't let the pastor thing go already made their decision not to vote for Obama.

I don't know, I agree with Tim, his poll numbers are going to take a hit, but having said that, he's got time to recover IMHO... I'd say 80% of those complaining would never have voted for him, the other 20? Maybe might have, possibly....
 
Hey Mark Penn :wave:

Look what's happening in those big states that Obama can't win. :teeth:

www.rasmussenreports.com
California 2008 Presidential Election

California: Obama Leads McCain by 15, Clinton Leads By 7

Friday, March 14, 2008

Democratic divisiveness may be hurting the party’s general election prospects in states like Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, but not in California. That latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the nation’s most populous state shows Barack Obama leading John McCain 53% to 38%. Hillary Clinton leads McCain 46% to 39%.

Nationally, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll finds a very competitive race between McCain and either Obama or Clinton.

In California, Obama leads McCain by twenty-two points among men and by eight points among women. Clinton leads McCain by seventeen among women but trails by two points among men.

Obama is viewed favorably by 59% of the state’s voters, McCain by 49%, and Clinton by 47%.

The state remains in the Safely Democratic column according to the Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator.

Forty percent (40%) of the state’s voters say the top voting issue for 2008 is the economy. Twenty percent (20%) say it’s the War in Iraq while 16% name Immigration as the highest priority.

Just 10% of California voters rate the economy as good or excellent, 38% say fair, and 51% poor. Only 4% believe the economy is getting better while 81% say worse.

Just 37% believe the U.S. and its allies are winning the War on Terror, a figure that’s well below the national average. In California, a plurality believes the situation will get worse in Iraq over the next six months. Nationally, a plurality offers a more optimistic assessment of the situation in Iraq.

Sixty-three percent (63%) of California voters say that American society is generally fair and decent while 27% say it is unfair and discriminatory.

Just 24% of voters in California say George W. Bush is doing a good or excellent job as President. Fifty-eight percent (58%) say he is doing a poor job.

Thirty-five percent (35%) say that Governor Schwarzenegger is doing a good or excellent job while 29% give him poor marks.

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I don't know, I agree with Tim, his poll numbers are going to take a hit, but having said that, he's got time to recover IMHO... I'd say 80% of those complaining would never have voted for him, the other 20? Maybe might have, possibly....

Maybe, possibly. Hard to say, I guess. I was thinking the people who complained loudest already chose not to. There will probably be a hit in the polls, but yes, there's time to recover. Reports of the death of Obama's campaign are erroneous, though. :rotfl:
 
I have my own theories as to what is going to happen. Suffice to say, at this point, I don't think either Clinton or Obama will get the nomination. At this moment, I'm leaning towards they've both had their chance, they've both made their case, and they've both come up short. IMO, the real job of the SD's is about to start.

Just a gut feeling that may be the result of the beef and bean burrito I had for lunch. ;)

I'm cross posting what LuvDuke wrote, but expounding on my thoughts here:

I didn't have that burrito, but I agree with your outlook.... Once again the Democratic party had it's chance and lost it's chance.... they will never have a better chance than they had. And, when you start a National campaign with negatives around 49%, that can never really be a good thing... as is the case with Clinton.
 
Maybe, possibly. Hard to say, I guess. I was thinking the people who complained loudest already chose not to. There will probably be a hit in the polls, but yes, there's time to recover. Reports of the death of Obama's campaign are erroneous, though. :rotfl:

Well, nobody's conceded anything, except this does nothing but hurt the Democratic party..... we'll see how it plays out a week from now...

Personally I liked the new Pastor that was interviewed from Trinity, I'd be interested in watching him preach... I'm not religious however, only curious... I think you will see that generational difference play out when comparing with Wright...
 
Okay, I gotta take a break from the boards. The Hillary and Pastor threads are absolutely sickening. :sad2:

Ok - I have to delurk for a second.

How is this comment not "bashing the supporters - but the candidate?"

I was sensitive to some of this thread's participants that felt the "Hillary folks" were criticizing the Obama supporters - but not the candidate himself.

I have tried to remember the audience to my comments over there - and have tried to write only about my disagreement with Obama himself.

I have repeatedly lamented on how our party seems to be splitting at the seams - and how I wish the two candidates could come together to form what I think would be a very powerful ticket.


Only to be labeled sickening? Because my candidate of choice is Senator Clinton?

:confused3

Going invisible again......
 
Ok - I have to delurk for a second.

How is this comment not "bashing the supporters - but the candidate?"

I was sensitive to some of this thread's participants that felt the "Hillary folks" were criticizing the Obama supporters - but not the candidate himself.

I have tried to remember the audience to my comments over there - and have tried to write only about my disagreement with Obama himself.

I have repeatedly lamented on how our party seems to be splitting at the seams - and how I wish the two candidates could come together to form what I think would be a very powerful ticket.


Only to be labeled sickening? Because my candidate of choice is Senator Clinton?

:confused3

Going invisible again......

The grave dancing on the pastor thread is sickening. It's sickening for me to some Hillary supporters celebrating with the cons who are just biding their time until they can tear into Hillary and bring out all their Monica/cigar jokes.

The "put a fork in him" comments on the Hillary thread are also sickening. While Obama is going down in bit in favorable ratings, it's McCain who's is moving up. Hillary's favorable rating remains stagnant. So, I guess I don't understand the pure joy that is coming from some Hillary supporters over Obama when it is clearly McCain who is going to be laughing all the way to the white house.


It seems like some Hillary supporters care more about Obama losing the primary than they do Hillary winning the general.




http://rasmussenreports.com/public_...favorable_ratings_for_presidential_candidates
 
Barack Obama
Town Hall Meeting at Plainfield High School, (Plainfield, Indiana)
March 15, 2008
The Page

Let me just close my initial remarks by talking about bringing this country together. You know, Bobby Kennedy gave one of his most — gave one of his most famous speeches on a dark night in Indianapolis. Right after Dr. King was shot. Some of you remember reading about this speech. Some of you were alive when this speech was given. He stood on top of a car. He was in a crowd mostly of African Americans. And he delivered the news that Dr. King had been shot and killed. And he said, at that moment of anguish, he said, we’ve got a choice. He said, we’ve got a choice in taking the rage and bitterness and disappointment and letting it fester and dividing us further so that we no longer see each other as Americans but we see each other as separate and apart and at odds with each other. Or we can take a different path that says we have different stories, but we have common dreams and common hopes. And we can decide to walk down this road together. And remake America once again. And, you know, I think about those words often, especially in the last several weeks - because this campaign started on the basis that we are one America. As I said in my speech at the convention in 2004, there is no Black America, or White America, or Asian America, or Latino America. There is the United States of America. But I noticed over the last several weeks that the forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again. And I’m not here to cast blame or point fingers because everybody, you know, senses that there’s been this shift. You know, that you’ve been seeing in the reporting. You’ve been seeing some of the commentaries of supporters on all sides. Most recently, you heard some statements from my former pastor that were incendiary and that I completely reject, although I knew him and know him as somebody in my church who talked to me about Jesus and family and friendships, but clearly had — but if all I knew was those statements that I saw on television, I would be shocked. And it just reminds me that we’ve got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country. We’ve got a lot of pent-up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding. But what I continue to believe in is that this country wants to move beyond these kinds of divisions. That this country wants something different.

I just want to say to everybody here that as somebody who was born into a diverse family, as somebody who has little pieces of America all in me, I will not allow us to lose this moment, where we cannot forget about our past and not ignore the very real forces of racial inequality and gender inequality and the other things that divide us. I don’t want us to forget them. We have to acknowledge them and lift them up and when people say things like my former pastor said, you know, you have to speak out forcefully against them. But what you also have to do is remember what Bobby Kennedy said. That it is within our power to join together to truly make a United States of America. And that we have to do not just so that our children live in a more peaceful country and a more peaceful world, but that is the only way that we are going to deliver on the big issues that we’re facing in this country. We can’t solve health care divided. We cannot create an economy that works for everybody divided. We can’t fight terrorism divided. We can’t care for our veterans divided. We have to come together. That’s what this campaign is about. That’s why you are here. That’s why we’re going to win this election. That’s how we’re going to change the country.
 
The grave dancing on the pastor thread is sickening. It's sickening for me to some Hillary supporters celebrating with the cons who are just biding their time until they can tear into Hillary and bring out all their Monica/cigar jokes.

The "put a fork in him" comments on the Hillary thread are also sickening. While Obama is going down in bit in favorable ratings, it's McCain who's is moving up. Hillary's favorable rating remains stagnant. So, I guess I don't understand the pure joy that is coming from some Hillary supporters over Obama when it is clearly McCain who is going to be laughing all the way to the white house.


It seems like some Hillary supporters care more about Obama losing the primary than they do Hillary winning the general.




http://rasmussenreports.com/public_...favorable_ratings_for_presidential_candidates

Exactly and it was pretty much what I explained to him in a PM I sent him to clarify what I meant. The :banana: and :cloud9: on the Hillary thread and the grave dancing/coming up with ways of saying "byebyeObama" on the pastor thread was not only offensive, but extremely childish. It wasn't all the Hillary supporters doing it so I wanted to clarify my comment wasn't directed at all of them. And to clarify (outside the PM I sent) I'm not sickened by someone supporting Hillary but I'm sickened by the attitude of some in the past 24 hours since this Pastor story has come to light.

In a week when the cons move onto bashing Hillary, we'll see if they are still doing the :banana:
 
Ok - I have to delurk for a second.

How is this comment not "bashing the supporters - but the candidate?"

I was sensitive to some of this thread's participants that felt the "Hillary folks" were criticizing the Obama supporters - but not the candidate himself.

I have tried to remember the audience to my comments over there - and have tried to write only about my disagreement with Obama himself.

I have repeatedly lamented on how our party seems to be splitting at the seams - and how I wish the two candidates could come together to form what I think would be a very powerful ticket.


Only to be labeled sickening? Because my candidate of choice is Senator Clinton?

:confused3

Going invisible again......

IMO there is a difference between saying you are sickened by someone's words and calling them names or disparaging their character. I disagree vehemently with many people that I like a lot.
 
For anyone interested in maybe what Obama did hear at church that maybe perhaps kept him going there, I came up with the following clips, I went through many more that were similar in tone, but here are just a few.... It might help to know there are two sides to every story... cherry picking 4 clips out of years of teaching is quite telling...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZROa0rlMU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncgG5Bic-0&feature=related

And the new pastor is very together

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RLX_dmYKQk&feature=related
 
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