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I watched Dean this morning -
What did he say?
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My script had volunteers in PA, because I was calling PA people. I would love to do a trip to PA, but with my work schedule just doesn't allow it. That's why I'm doing the phone thing because I can work it around the 2 jobs.
Hey, can you share your cheat sheet? I think it could help a lot of us deal with the "well, what has he done?" questions.
A whole 'lotta nothing to be honest. He said that he hoped there would be a resolution of MI and FL before the convention, refused to take a stand on Ferraro's comments, and he was very positive saying how the party will come together behind whoever is the nominee, Hillary or Obama. I'm not sure what dream world he is living in, but it's becoming apparently clear this infighting is doing nothing but helping McCain in November.
In my opinion, he hasn't shown much of any leadership qualities as this primary mess has worn on.
Dean? Gore? Edwards? Are they all just going to stand by silently, fearing the Clintons, and say absolutely nothing of substance?
Sorry to say, but from what I'm observing, the Clintons are determined that if they can't win, no one else will, either.
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Hi Fits, I have a lot of info.... Keep the important talking points printed so you can reference them quickly....
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress...t-hillary-clinton-comparison-compare-records/
Obama is the only candidate to have released his tax forms. (neither McCain or Clinton have)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/opinion/15fri1.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Obama has released his earmarks. (Clinton has not)
http://obama.senate.gov/press/070621-obama_announces_3/
Hillary Clinton reigns as the Queen of Federal Pork
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aXWIZU3DOyr4&refer=home
Obama was rated #1 in environmental policy by the League of Conservation Voters
http://presidentialprofiles2008.org/
Obama was right about Pakistan, back when Hillary was calling him "naive"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/06/navarrette/?iref=mpstoryview
Washington Post gave Obama's economic plan an A- and gave Hillary's a C.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../01/22/AR2008012202614.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Wall Street Journal preferred Obama's healthcare plan over Hillary Clinton's
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120234937353949449.html
Judge Obama by his legislative achievments, which are quite impressive, according to the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html
As for why I am voting for Obama and not Clinton, this does not take into account the recent Wolfson remark RE: Ken Star or the Geraldine Ferraro mess nor the immediate resignation of Samantha Power, which really only goes to prove which Candidate is really above the fray:
1. Senator Clinton has been wrong from the start on the invasion of Iraq, too slow to change her position and still unable (from arrogance or calculation) to acknowledge it fully. She was also wrong last year in giving Bush a green light to invade Iran, despite the Administration's imperialism, duplicity and ineptitude. She seems still to be a proponent of American hegemony, chronically willing to operate from a we/they dynamic.
2. She is personally expedient, and a calculating opportunist, consistently willing to say and do whatever seems marketable or negotiable, rather than operating from a solid core of intrinsic values.
3. I am deeply doubtful about her electability, due to her strong and intractable negatives, which she and her campaign are currently exacerbating in their unseemly efforts to discredit Obama. I think that she is likely to lose to McCain (independents going his way, disgruntled progressives and
young people opting out) and, in the process, harm the bottom of the ticket, reversing the Democrats' legislative momentum.
4. I'm apprehensive as well about the kind of President she would be, if she were elected -- a different gender but the same old my way or the highway. Transactional not transformative. micromanagement and clannishness. Mouthing change, but constitutionally inclined to politics as usual. Flawed judgment as in her assumption that the race would be over on Super Tuesday.
5. She is only recently able to manage her husband. We have been witness to his unsavory return from statesman-philanthropist to politics and self-indulgence as usual. I have deep skepticism about the prospect of the Presidency as a two-headed monstrosity and I dread the aftermath of another Clinton incumbency.
6. Hillary Clinton wants to stop the flow of jobs to other countries, however she does not acknowledge that it was her own husbands policies that was the impetus for such a tidle wave of job loss ie. NAFTA.
7. The Senator has been disingenuous about her experience. Five years as a legislator vs. ten for Obama; partner in a regional law firm in a small third-tier city. First Lady: largely ceremonial, except for the healthcare debacle. There is no hands-on management experience of any consequence, a shortcoming exacerbated by her arrogance and inability to acknowledge mistakes and her absence of a dependable internal guidance system.
8. I have the sense that Hillary Rodham Clinton no longer knows who she genuinely is, perhaps has not known since her work on the Watergate investigation. Support for her would be support for whom, and for what
9. I am appalled by her patterns of personal presumption, her ruthlessness and vindictiveness, as early as the gratuitous Travelgate firings and as recently as her surrogates' smears against Obama on a woman's right to choose and their (including President Clinton's) abhorrent scare-tactic
misrepresentations and innuendoes with regard to race and religion leading up to South Carolina.
10. Finally, circumstantially, she stands as an obstacle to a rare and extraordinary opportunity for an authentic revitalization of our national journey -- the election in Barack Obama of a brilliant and inspiring, multiracial, multicultural candidate who would provide an antidote and
corrective to the dark corrosive abominations of the Bush regime and who holds the promise of designing and building bold and necessary new strategies and practices, internationally and domestically, for the early years of this perilous century.
Why I am voting for Obama:
1. I feel he can truly bring people together from both sides of the aisle to effect change. He has done so in Illinois as well as Washington.
2. He does not take Federal Lobbyists or Pac money, rather he has an enormous grass roots effort taking place that has sustained his candidacy. He has said on numerous occasions that he will sit down with Lobbyists and listen to them, yet he will not be bound by them, or owe them favors.
3. He is interested in not just talking about bringing our troops home from Iraq, but actually doing it. He was opposed to the war from the start, showing good judgment and sound principals.
4. He is interested in restoring to the middle class what has been lost over the last seven years, and moving them forward, moving education forward, and he knows that it can be done, and has a plan to do it.
5. Obama is not running due to his own ambition, but due to what he calls quotes from Dr. Martin Luther King "the fierce urgency of now". We have all witnessed this, he knows it, we know it.
6. As he says we are not the red states, we are not the blue states, we are the United States, he's not the status quo, change is coming.
I would rather have Obama win because he is up to the challenge of changing politics, not just going along with them. It is that time.
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That would be fairly accurate.....
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Geez, and here I thought they were just my words I was posting, look, somebody agreed with me on the National scene LOL.... thanks for the link, it was very good.
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OK, I get daily talking points, I'll post today's here, if people want to keep reading as they come in, I'll be more than happy to post them when they do come in. This is just today's...
Obama for America Daily Talking Points
March 13, 2008
* *
*Message of the day: The judgment to lead* *
*
* Yesterday, Barack Obama was joined in Chicago by distinguished
generals and admirals who believe Obama has the judgment and
experience we need in our next Commander-in-Chief. Obama is
running to be Commander-in-Chief -- to safeguard this nation's
security, and to keep our sacred trust with the men and women who
serve. There is no responsibility he takes more seriously.
* Obama believes there are real differences between the candidates,
and important issues to debate -- from ending the war in Iraq, to
combating terrorism, to devising new strategies and new
capabilities to confront 21^st century threats. But recently,
we've seen a different kind of approach. Instead of a serious,
substantive debate, we've heard vague allusions to a
"Commander-in-Chief threshold" that seems to be about nothing more
than the number of years you've spent in Washington. This is
exactly what's wrong with the national security debate in Washington.
* This election is our chance to put an end to a divisive politics
that has done nothing to keep America safe, or to serve our men
and women in uniform as well as they are serving us. Because the
real Commander-in-Chief threshold doesn't have to do with years
tallied up in Washington, it has to do with the judgment and
vision that you will bring to the Oval Office.
* On the most important national security question since the Cold
War, Obama is the only candidate who opposed the war in Iraq from
the beginning. This judgment was not about speeches, it was about
whether or not the United States of America would go to war in
Iraq. Because we did, we took our eye off al Qaeda; we have lost
thousands of lives and spent hundreds of billions of dollars; our
military is overstretched; and our security and standing have been
set back. That is why Obama will end the war in Iraq, focus on
finishing the job in Afghanistan, renew American diplomacy and
rebuild our military, and keep our sacred trust to care for those
who serve.
*
The Clinton campaign's dubious "big state" spin *
* Yesterday, a memo debunking the Clinton campaign's "big state"
spin was released by Obama supporters Iowa Governor Chet Culver,
Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle, Washington Governor Christine
Gregoire, Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, and Missouri Senator Claire
McCaskill.
* In an attempt to minimize the significance of Barack Obama's
success in winning more than twice as many states as Senator
Clinton, her campaign's supporters have attempted to diminish the
importance of the states where Senator Obama has prevailed.
Senator Obama has scored important victories in Iowa, Wisconsin,
Washington State, Virginia, and Missouri -- states that will play
a decisive role in deciding whether or not John McCain will be
given the chance to enter the White House and extend George Bush's
failed policies for another 4 years.
* The Clinton campaign's argument ignores relevant facts about how
significant a role these states played in determining the outcome
of the presidential race in 2004. In fact, Obama has won 7 of 9 of
the biggest states that were close in the 2004 presidential
election -- including four that Bush won.
* To turn the Clinton argument around, more than 55% of her popular
vote total and nearly half of her pledged delegates have come in
just five states. In four of them, polls show that Obama would be
a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton.
In the fifth, Texas, Clinton admitted that she didn't expect it to
be "in the general election calculation."
*
The next ten contests *
* With his overwhelming victory in the Mississippi primary, Barack
Obama's lead in pledged delegates is now wider than it was on
March 3, before the contests in Ohio and Texas. He netted more
delegates in Mississippi and Wyoming than Senator Clinton netted
on March 4. Obama now holds a pledged delegate lead of 161 with a
total of 1411 pledged delegates, while Senator Clinton trails with
1250 pledged delegates. As the number of remaining pledged
delegates dwindles, Hillary Clinton's path to the nomination seems
less and less plausible.
* Barack Obama has now won nearly thirty contests, over half the
states in the country, including critical battleground states like
Virginia, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, Missouri,
Washington, and Colorado.
* Now that Mississippi is behind us, we move on to the next ten
contests. The Clinton campaign would like to focus your attention
only on Pennsylvania -- a state in which they have already
declared that they are "unbeatable." But Pennsylvania is only one
of 10 remaining contests, each important in terms of allocating
delegates and ultimately deciding who our nominee will be. Senator
Obama campaigned in Pennsylvania the other day and will do so
again later this week, but he will also campaign aggressively in
the other upcoming states -- he will travel to other upcoming
states in the very near future.
* We have activated our volunteer networks, are putting staff on the
ground, and building our organization in every one of the upcoming
states. The key is not who wins the states that the Clinton
campaign thinks are important. Throughout this entire process,
they have cherry-picked states, diminished caucuses, and moved the
goal posts to create a shifting, twisted rationale for why they
should win the nomination despite winning fewer primaries, fewer
states, fewer delegates, and fewer votes.
Obama for America Daily Talking Points
March 13, 2008
* *
*Message of the day: The judgment to lead* *
*
* Yesterday, Barack Obama was joined in Chicago by distinguished
generals and admirals who believe Obama has the judgment and
experience we need in our next Commander-in-Chief. Obama is
running to be Commander-in-Chief -- to safeguard this nation's
security, and to keep our sacred trust with the men and women who
serve. There is no responsibility he takes more seriously.
* Obama believes there are real differences between the candidates,
and important issues to debate -- from ending the war in Iraq, to
combating terrorism, to devising new strategies and new
capabilities to confront 21^st century threats. But recently,
we've seen a different kind of approach. Instead of a serious,
substantive debate, we've heard vague allusions to a
"Commander-in-Chief threshold" that seems to be about nothing more
than the number of years you've spent in Washington. This is
exactly what's wrong with the national security debate in Washington.
* This election is our chance to put an end to a divisive politics
that has done nothing to keep America safe, or to serve our men
and women in uniform as well as they are serving us. Because the
real Commander-in-Chief threshold doesn't have to do with years
tallied up in Washington, it has to do with the judgment and
vision that you will bring to the Oval Office.
* On the most important national security question since the Cold
War, Obama is the only candidate who opposed the war in Iraq from
the beginning. This judgment was not about speeches, it was about
whether or not the United States of America would go to war in
Iraq. Because we did, we took our eye off al Qaeda; we have lost
thousands of lives and spent hundreds of billions of dollars; our
military is overstretched; and our security and standing have been
set back. That is why Obama will end the war in Iraq, focus on
finishing the job in Afghanistan, renew American diplomacy and
rebuild our military, and keep our sacred trust to care for those
who serve.
*
The Clinton campaign's dubious "big state" spin *
* Yesterday, a memo debunking the Clinton campaign's "big state"
spin was released by Obama supporters Iowa Governor Chet Culver,
Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle, Washington Governor Christine
Gregoire, Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, and Missouri Senator Claire
McCaskill.
* In an attempt to minimize the significance of Barack Obama's
success in winning more than twice as many states as Senator
Clinton, her campaign's supporters have attempted to diminish the
importance of the states where Senator Obama has prevailed.
Senator Obama has scored important victories in Iowa, Wisconsin,
Washington State, Virginia, and Missouri -- states that will play
a decisive role in deciding whether or not John McCain will be
given the chance to enter the White House and extend George Bush's
failed policies for another 4 years.
* The Clinton campaign's argument ignores relevant facts about how
significant a role these states played in determining the outcome
of the presidential race in 2004. In fact, Obama has won 7 of 9 of
the biggest states that were close in the 2004 presidential
election -- including four that Bush won.
* To turn the Clinton argument around, more than 55% of her popular
vote total and nearly half of her pledged delegates have come in
just five states. In four of them, polls show that Obama would be
a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton.
In the fifth, Texas, Clinton admitted that she didn't expect it to
be "in the general election calculation."
*
The next ten contests *
* With his overwhelming victory in the Mississippi primary, Barack
Obama's lead in pledged delegates is now wider than it was on
March 3, before the contests in Ohio and Texas. He netted more
delegates in Mississippi and Wyoming than Senator Clinton netted
on March 4. Obama now holds a pledged delegate lead of 161 with a
total of 1411 pledged delegates, while Senator Clinton trails with
1250 pledged delegates. As the number of remaining pledged
delegates dwindles, Hillary Clinton's path to the nomination seems
less and less plausible.
* Barack Obama has now won nearly thirty contests, over half the
states in the country, including critical battleground states like
Virginia, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, Missouri,
Washington, and Colorado.
* Now that Mississippi is behind us, we move on to the next ten
contests. The Clinton campaign would like to focus your attention
only on Pennsylvania -- a state in which they have already
declared that they are "unbeatable." But Pennsylvania is only one
of 10 remaining contests, each important in terms of allocating
delegates and ultimately deciding who our nominee will be. Senator
Obama campaigned in Pennsylvania the other day and will do so
again later this week, but he will also campaign aggressively in
the other upcoming states -- he will travel to other upcoming
states in the very near future.
* We have activated our volunteer networks, are putting staff on the
ground, and building our organization in every one of the upcoming
states. The key is not who wins the states that the Clinton
campaign thinks are important. Throughout this entire process,
they have cherry-picked states, diminished caucuses, and moved the
goal posts to create a shifting, twisted rationale for why they
should win the nomination despite winning fewer primaries, fewer
states, fewer delegates, and fewer votes.
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Good God and Sonny Jesus...what in the name of all that is holy do we Obama folks have to do to get people to understand that we have researched and vetted our chosen candidate with the same level of detail and conscience that others have used to choose theirs???
Thank you...vent over...
Thank you...vent over...
You do understand if you're a Clintonian, you're sophisticated and intelligent.
On the other hand, if you've read Obama's books, and are ready for change...you must have a screw loose.
I've learned to just roll with the punches. The Clintons don't impress me, and they don't scare me. I do wish someone would take a moment explain to them about basic math, and the fact that the numbers just don't add up for them.
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You do understand if you're a Clintonian, you're sophisticated and intelligent.
On the other hand, if you've read Obama's books, and are ready for change...you must have a screw loose.
I've learned to just roll with the punches. The Clintons don't impress me, and they don't scare me. I do wish someone would take a moment explain to them about basic math, and the fact that the numbers just don't add up for them.
But wait, then why is it that Obama has the upper income Latte loving crowd among the poll's, in order to be upper income latte drinker's you'd think they'd have to be sophisticated??
Now don't make any wisecracks, you know I enjoy my latte's LOL....
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Fit's I'm sorry to say some people only go on name recognition and previous administrations, and when you challenge that, you're going to get blow back from that particular segment. And, keep in mind, not all voter's vet their chosen candidate like I have (using myself as an example as someone who has looked at the issues)
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I've never had a latte, and I'm sure not upper income...do I have to turn in my Got Hope T-Shirt??
Once again, you make way too much sense!! In your honor, I'm going to try a latte sometime in the next week!
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No Way Fits, you are the voice of reason.....
Lilyv, make sure your latte is made with 1% or skim, it's less fattening that way
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Between all the lattes and the koolaid, it's amazing we have time to do anything besides pee.
very good one!
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Hi all, Am I the only one that hopes that Obama addresses the issue of his church, spiritual leader?.Now growing up around many people who are Catholic and yet were pro-gay rights, pro -chioce, I do know it's very possible to be a part of a religion that you feel is overall good, and yet reject some tennants....I just hope he will address this.
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