Obama supporters! - A positive place to talk about his campaign

[chris1gill]

With all the numbers floating around out there, its getting a bit confusing!

No doubt, I've been to both CNN & MSNBC's website & neither matches the other in pledged delegates, and one of them had only adjusted Clinton's number for California, not Obama's.... yup, too many numbers floating out there!

 

[lilyv]

It appears so. His head was also stretched.

www.dailykos.com

Wow. Very troubling stuff.

And how do you trust someone who stoops to this level?

 

[chris1gill]

Wow. Very troubling stuff.

And how do you trust someone who stoops to this level?

I have a bigger problem with this
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080306/pl_afp/canadausdemocratsvotediplomacy

or Clinton getting away with hedging on 60 minutes on the question of Barack Obama's religion? And how she perversely aggravated the situation when offered a chance to clarify her remarks by alleging that she herself has also been victimized by rumors and smears? It certainly helps explain how it was ABC found a Clinton supporter wearing an "Osama for Obama" shirt who insisted unequivocally at her victory party Tuesday night that Obama is a Muslim. She's even had Christian Breakfast's with him on numerous occasions... and she was so coy with this?

Then of course there was the mocking of his supporter's in front of her crowd in Rhode Island, that was rather distasteful....

Then there are the minor things, like the two dismissed Iowa supporters caught forwarding scurrilous emails, the firing of NH Campaign Co-Chair Bill Shaheen for suggesting drug dealing (Hillary apologized to Obama out of view on an airport tarmac), former Senator Bob Kerrey's Muslim remarks (another more public apology), BET's Bob Johnson's "I won't say what was doing" comment (yet another apology), and the more recent Drudge Report turban photo (for which Obama took her at "her word" that she did not know anything).

Now we have her Communications director comparing Obama to Ken Starr for requesting yet again her taxes and records as first lady, a platform she runs off of... Does she and her campaign really want to bring that up? My God, if that were handed to me on a silver platter I'd have it sliced and diced in the most sincere and coy way I could for the good of the country... Yeh, we want to go back to that, I DON'T THINK SO...

 

[bimshire]

Just split the delegates from Florida and Michigan 50/50 and seat them at the convention. Problem solved.

 

[lilyv]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/opinion/07brooks.html?hp

This read will make you sad, but it does a good job of explaining the Clintons, and why they are spoiling for a dirty fight.

..." Obama has built his entire campaign on this theory. He’s run against negativity and cheap-shot campaigning. He’s claimed that there’s an “awakening” in this country — people “hungry for a different kind of politics.”

This message has made him the front-runner. It has brought millions of new voters into politics. It has given him grounds to fend off attacks. In debate after debate, he has accused Hillary Clinton and others of practicing the old kind of politics. When he was under assault in South Carolina, he rose above the barrage and made the Clintons look sleazy. "....

"And the Clinton people will draw them every step of the way. Clinton can’t compete on personality, but a knife fight is her only real hope of victory. She has nothing to lose because she never promised to purify America. Her campaign doesn’t depend on the enthusiasm of upper-middle-class goo-goos. On Thursday, a Clinton aide likened Obama to Ken Starr just to badger them on."

 

[NewJersey]

I brought this up on the Liberal thread but one has to question if Hillary really does care about a woman's right to choose, getting out of Iraq, and universal healthcare, as much as she claims. If she did, she wouldn't continue to praise John McCain on the campaign trail, and continually question Obama's fitness for Presidency.

She only cares about herself and will take anyone down with her, even if it means a Bush-lite Republican in the WH.

 

[NewJersey]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/opinion/07brooks.html?hp

This read will make you sad, but it does a good job of explaining the Clintons, and why they are spoiling for a dirty fight.

..." Obama has built his entire campaign on this theory. He’s run against negativity and cheap-shot campaigning. He’s claimed that there’s an “awakening” in this country — people “hungry for a different kind of politics.”

This message has made him the front-runner. It has brought millions of new voters into politics. It has given him grounds to fend off attacks. In debate after debate, he has accused Hillary Clinton and others of practicing the old kind of politics. When he was under assault in South Carolina, he rose above the barrage and made the Clintons look sleazy. "....

"And the Clinton people will draw them every step of the way. Clinton can’t compete on personality, but a knife fight is her only real hope of victory. She has nothing to lose because she never promised to purify America. Her campaign doesn’t depend on the enthusiasm of upper-middle-class goo-goos. On Thursday, a Clinton aide likened Obama to Ken Starr just to badger them on."

LOL, the Ken Starr comparison was beyond delusional.

 

[wvrevy]

LOL, the Ken Starr comparison was beyond delusional.

Not only was it beyond delusional, it was just plain stupid! I mean, why in the world would that campaign want anybody to remember the scandal plagued Clinton years?!?

As for Shillary...I posted it elsewhere as well, but I'm done with her. If she somehow manages to steal the party's nomination, I simply will not vote for president this fall (obviously, I'll still go to the polls, as there are local races I'd be following and have a major interest in). I refuse to give my vote to a Lieberman Democrat. Period.

Did you hear her endorsing John McCain again yesterday? The woman disgusts me, and I'd love it if Howard Dean had the guts to step up and very publicly call her out for endorsing McCain over a fellow Democrat. As much as I admire Senator Obama's campaign for refusing to get down in the slime with her, I'm almost willing to look the other way while they start putting out the truth about the (bad word deleted). I hope it ends her career.

Seriously...I'm done with her.

 

[Laura]

As for Shillary...I posted it elsewhere as well, but I'm done with her. If she somehow manages to steal the party's nomination, I simply will not vote for president this fall (obviously, I'll still go to the polls, as there are local races I'd be following and have a major interest in). I refuse to give my vote to a Lieberman Democrat. Period.

Well, it's a free country and you are certainly allowed to vote as you please, but I think you're going way overboard.

 

[profdsny]

Can I come and play in your yard now?

 

[Laura]

Can I come and play in your yard now?

You are welcome!

 

[akhenaten]

Can I come and play in your yard now?

Did you bring toys to share?

 

[wvrevy]

Well, it's a free country and you are certainly allowed to vote as you please, but I think you're going way overboard.

I'm sorry, Laura, but I have no patience for disloyalty, and that's exactly what Clinton is showing every time she opens her mouth and praises John McCain - for "passing the Commander in Chief test" and for his "lifetime of experience" - in the same breath as insulting a fellow Democrat. Her comments are the kind of thing you say when trying to get the nod as McCain's VP, not when you're trying to win the Democratic Party's nomination.

No, I will not vote for her at this point. I may change my mind down the road, but I'm beyond sick of Rovian politics in this country, and her scorched earth approach to this campaign has just been the final straw for me. Primaries should be positive campaigns where you set out the differences between you and your opponent, not "bash at every turn" slugfests - and I mean "slug" as in the slimy worm, not the pugilist - that she seems to want to engage in.

I mean...they basically won Ohio on the strength of painting Obama as a liar about the NAFTA thing...when it turns out it was HER campaign that actually DID call the Canadians and tell them it was just political posturing and not to worry. Hmm...what candidate of the last decade does that most sound like to you?

I just don't see it as "over the top" to expect better from the candidate that is supposed to represent me and my party. Saying "Aw, that's just politics" is not good enough anymore. I won't support it, not with my money, not with my time, and for darn sure not with my vote.

 

[crcormier]

Just split the delegates from Florida and Michigan 50/50 and seat them at the convention. Problem solved.

Someone made an interesting suggestion on the Bill Press show this morning.

Seat the delegates as is from Michigan and Florida, but take their total delegates out of the nationwide total. So subtract 210 for Florida and 156 for Michigan, cut it in half to 183 and subtract that from 2025. Now a nominee needs 1842 pledged delegates to lock the nomination.

 

[Laura]

I'm sorry, Laura, but I have no patience for disloyalty, and that's exactly what Clinton is showing every time she opens her mouth and praises John McCain - for "passing the Commander in Chief test" and for his "lifetime of experience" - in the same breath as insulting a fellow Democrat. Her comments are the kind of thing you say when trying to get the nod as McCain's VP, not when you're trying to win the Democratic Party's nomination.

No, I will not vote for her at this point. I may change my mind down the road, but I'm beyond sick of Rovian politics in this country, and her scorched earth approach to this campaign has just been the final straw for me. Primaries should be positive campaigns where you set out the differences between you and your opponent, not "bash at every turn" slugfests - and I mean "slug" as in the slimy worm, not the pugilist - that she seems to want to engage in.

I mean...they basically won Ohio on the strength of painting Obama as a liar about the NAFTA thing...when it turns out it was HER campaign that actually DID call the Canadians and tell them it was just political posturing and not to worry. Hmm...what candidate of the last decade does that most sound like to you?

I just don't see it as "over the top" to expect better from the candidate that is supposed to represent me and my party. Saying "Aw, that's just politics" is not good enough anymore. I won't support it, not with my money, not with my time, and for darn sure not with my vote.

I hope you do change your mind. But in any case, I think you won't have to. I don't think Hillary will get the nomination. I think the supers will go along with the pledged delegates and Obama will be your choice in November.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

Sad thing for me to say but I no longer have one good thing left to say about him.

 

[chris1gill]

Just split the delegates from Florida and Michigan 50/50 and seat them at the convention. Problem solved.

I like this idea & it costs nothing!

 

[lilyv]

Sad thing for me to say but I no longer have one good thing left to say about him.

Of course, this is the Obama supporters-positive talk place.
So, I'm guessing you've decided that President Bush isn't your guy? Or...maybe McCain?

 

[NewJersey]

Someone made an interesting suggestion on the Bill Press show this morning.

Seat the delegates as is from Michigan and Florida, but take their total delegates out of the nationwide total. So subtract 210 for Florida and 156 for Michigan, cut it in half to 183 and subtract that from 2025. Now a nominee needs 1842 pledged delegates to lock the nomination.

I raised that question last night on the Liberal thread too. It seems silly to include their delegates in how many needed to nominate when 0 were awarded. Obama is 300ish away if 1842 is the number.

 

[chris1gill]

I'm sorry, Laura, but I have no patience for disloyalty, and that's exactly what Clinton is showing every time she opens her mouth and praises John McCain - for "passing the Commander in Chief test" and for his "lifetime of experience" - in the same breath as insulting a fellow Democrat. Her comments are the kind of thing you say when trying to get the nod as McCain's VP, not when you're trying to win the Democratic Party's nomination.

No, I will not vote for her at this point. I may change my mind down the road, but I'm beyond sick of Rovian politics in this country, and her scorched earth approach to this campaign has just been the final straw for me. Primaries should be positive campaigns where you set out the differences between you and your opponent, not "bash at every turn" slugfests - and I mean "slug" as in the slimy worm, not the pugilist - that she seems to want to engage in.

I mean...they basically won Ohio on the strength of painting Obama as a liar about the NAFTA thing...when it turns out it was HER campaign that actually DID call the Canadians and tell them it was just political posturing and not to worry. Hmm...what candidate of the last decade does that most sound like to you?

I just don't see it as "over the top" to expect better from the candidate that is supposed to represent me and my party. Saying "Aw, that's just politics" is not good enough anymore. I won't support it, not with my money, not with my time, and for darn sure not with my vote.

Personally, with everything she has done, including mocking Obama supporters, having her staff put out defamatory information regarding Obama and then apologizing later in private, the newest likening of Obama to Ken Starr, the kitchen sink tactics, the Canadian fiasco, the list goes on, I will not vote for her AT ALL. I will say that now, and my mind will not change. Period. I have to vote my own conscience and my own moral's and she is not representative of either, nor is McCain, I will cast an empty ballot, write Obama in, or vote for Nader, but I will not vote for her, not that she needs my vote since according to her cronies, States like ours do not matter.