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Quote:"The Media gave a free pass to Senator Barack Obama. Senator Hillary Clinton is in a very closed race. She is a fighter......Senator Hillary Clinton is not afraid of using a tough approach." (from 2917)

I always find the "Hillary is a fighter" thing a little bizarre. I hear it quite frequently. Hillary likes to fight, is proud she's a fighter, and promises to fight for us doesn't speak well to me of her chosen method of leadership. I don't think that a person who likes to fight is particularly desirable in any walk of life. I wouldn't want my kids teacher to fight with her students, I don't find employees that fight with customers particularly helpful, and I wouldn't want to be married to someone who felt fighting with me was a great way work out difficulties.

To me a great leader demonstrates courage, decisiveness, and an intellectual ability to understand complex issues and problems. :thumbsup2

I'm not interested in voting for someone who thinks one of their best qualities is how they fight.:sad2:
I totally agree with you!
 
Actually, I'm just sick of hearing that the media gives Obama a free pass! For the last week, we've seen nothing but his "bitter" comments - taken out of context, mind you - while Shrillary presumably ducks sniper fire going from campaign even to campaign event. The month before that, it was all about Rev. Wright and how "racist" he was (despite nobody being able to provide examples of this racism :rolleyes: ).

The simple fact is that Hillary is the one that has been getting a free pass. Of all the people on all the cable news stations, only Keith Olbermann has had the temerity to question her royal highness on her "kitchen stink" strategy and how that will appeal to Democrats across the country that are used to seeing those kinds of attacks coming from the extreme right wing. Only Keith has had the guts to stand up and call her on turning to the very people she once derided as a "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" for support.

I think the boos and jeers Shrillary has started receiving along with the latest polls in Indiana are a good indication that people are sick of it, and their growing more and more sick of her. She's lost the race, and everybody knows it. If she wins in PA by less than 10 points, she'll give a nice victory speech and talk about going on, but you'll start to see signs soon after of her and her campaign shutting it down. At this point, the only thing she is doing is making it more and more likely that John McCain will get into the white house, and hurting any credibility she had in the party to do so.
 

I like the idea of hanging out of the limo sunroof during the inauguration. :lmao:


We got two more supers today - both from NC! :thumbsup2

Wilderness, I saw that yesterday, it was hysterical!!!

Two more Super's? That's great news! And the Boss? that says it all :) Great day in Obamaland.....
 
:rotfl: I just went to Bed, Bath and Beyond to pick up a new salad spinner and one of the other customers was wearing and button that said.....

San Francisco Elitist
for
Obama​

She said she and some friends made 1000 of them, but they don't have any left. Bummer.

:laughing:
 
I think our area is filled with "Bitter" people. Our jobs are gone, heating our homes is insanely expensive and we cannot even vote for our candidate of choice in our primary. :rotfl2: My side of the state is republican, it always has been and I dont see it changing anytime soon. But I was surprised to see Hillary losing in the poll. I think alot of us are peeved that our govener tried to give the state to Hillary and gave up our delegates to do so.

http://www.nathanielturner.com/michigangovernorjennifergranholm.htm I like this article.

Thanks for that link, it was really interesting in regards to a state we've heard a whole lot about, but not from the people of the State!
 
:rotfl: I just went to Bed, Bath and Beyond to pick up a new salad spinner and one of the other customers was wearing and button that said.....

San Francisco Elitist
for
Obama​

She said she and some friends made 1000 of them, but they don't have any left. Bummer.

:laughing:

OMG I love that!!!
 
Hillary Clinton On Southern Working Class Whites In 1995: "Screw 'Em"
During the past week, Sen. Hillary Clinton has presented herself as a working class populist, the politician in touch with small town sentiments, compared to the elitism of her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama.

But a telling anecdote from her husband's administration shows Hillary Clinton's attitudes about the "lunch-bucket Democrats" are not exactly pristine.

In January 1995, as the Clintons were licking their wounds from the 1994 congressional elections, a debate emerged at a retreat at Camp David. Should the administration make overtures to working class white southerners who had all but forsaken the Democratic Party? The then-first lady took a less than inclusive approach.

"Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."

The statement -- which author Benjamin Barber witnessed and wrote about in his book, "The Truth of Power: Intellectual Affairs in the Clinton White House" -- was prompted by another speaker raising the difficulties of reaching "Reagan Democrats." It stands in stark contrast to the attitude the New York Democrat has recently taken on the campaign trail, in which she has presented herself as the one candidate who understands the working-class needs.

"I don't think [Obama] really gets it that people are looking for a president who stands up for you and not looks down on you," she said this week.

But those who were at the event say the 1995 episode fits into her larger viewpoint. As Harry Boyte, the director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Democracy and Citizenship who was at the retreat, told The Huffington Post: "[Hillary Clinton] sees herself as the champion of the oppressed, but there is always a kind of good guy versus bad guy mentality. The comment before that was that 'the Reagan Democrats are our enemies and they weren't on our side,' and she was agreeing with that comment. She said we should write them off: screw them."

A spokesperson for Clinton said the quote was taken out-of-context and did not reflect her true political philosophy. "This quote differs from the recollection of others who were in the room at the time this comment was allegedly made," said Jay Carson. "To be clear, that's not how she felt then and it's not how she feels now, and the proof is in how she has lived her life, the work she has done and the policies she has pushed and pursued over the last 35 years."

Asked to produce a witness who would say that Clinton had been misquoted, Carson wrote: "So, you've got two guys we've barely heard of remembering a verbatim quote from 13 years ago?... Sounds totally and completely reliable."

Barber's book was published in 2001.

Perhaps even more telling than Hillary Clinton's proclamation, however, were the words from her husband that followed. As reported by Barber, Clinton "stepped in, calm and judicious, not irritated, as if rehearsing an old but honorable debate he had been having with his wife for decades."

I know how you feel. I understand Hillary's sense of outrage. It makes me mad too. Sure, we lost our base in the South; our boys voted for Gingrich. But let me tell you something. I know these boys. I grew up with them. Hardworking, poor, white boys, who feel left out, feel that our reforms always come at their expense. Think about it, every progressive advance our country has made since the Civil War has been on their backs. They're the ones asked to pay the price of progress. Now, we are the party of progress, but let me tell you, until we find a way to include these boys in our programs, until we stop making them pay the whole price of liberty for others, we are never going to unite our party, never really going to have change that sticks.
If the tone and tenor of the above sounds familiar, it's because the message, Boyte says, is remarkably similar to what Obama was trying to convey in his now controversial remarks about small town America.

"Well, yeah, absolutely," said Boyte, when asked if Obama and Bill Clinton were expressing the same political viewpoint (Boyte said he and his organization are neutral in the presidential race). "I think Obama's better-or-worse versions of this have always been that people are complicated. It comes from an organizing perspective. You don't write off people, everyone is complicated. It just depends on the issue. And that's what Bill Clinton was saying. He was a sentimental populist."

Not to be lost in all this, as Boyte notes, is that Hillary Clinton has consistently been a "champion for the people who were helpless and powerless." But there is a political component to the mindset.

"Hillary Clinton has a very strong customer view: the citizen is the customer and the government the vendor," said Boyte. "You can see it in Mark Penn's frame. In fact, last Christmas she had an ad of herself writing checks to different groups."

Digg it!
 
I was just coming here to say DIGG IT

Also this, one of the guy's in Shrillary's recent attack ad in defense of small town PA isn't even registered to vote in PA & he's not FROM PA, he already voted in big town Jersey :rolleyes1 How would he know if small town America is bitter??

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Man_In_Clinton_s_Bitter_Ad_Isn_t_Registered_To_Vote

Well, what do you know, more shady dealings from Ms ECC (ethically challenged Clinton) and equally ethically challenged campaign. Not only is the 'working joe from PA' not from PA or a registered voter, he was also a very lousy actor.:lmao:

I'm not going to hold my breath to see if this tidbit will be discussed by any of the pundits and 'news' folks.
 
I think the boos and jeers Shrillary has started receiving along with the latest polls in Indiana are a good indication that people are sick of it, and their growing more and more sick of her. She's lost the race, and everybody knows it. If she wins in PA by less than 10 points, she'll give a nice victory speech and talk about going on, but you'll start to see signs soon after of her and her campaign shutting it down. At this point, the only thing she is doing is making it more and more likely that John McCain will get into the white house, and hurting any credibility she had in the party to do so.

Not as if national Democrat polling matters now, but Obama has been creeping up his lead little by little - now up to about 8 points in RCP's average. I think that is also a telling sign of a party coalescing around Obama and getting sick of Hillary's campaign tactics.
 
Not as if national Democrat polling matters now, but Obama has been creeping up his lead little by little - now up to about 8 points in RCP's average. I think that is also a telling sign of a party coalescing around Obama and getting sick of Hillary's campaign tactics.

It was 11 yesterday in Gallup's daily tracking. :teeth:
 
Thanks, Chris, for the link. I'm loving this statement:

He noted that the Hillary from '94-'95 was a MUCH different person from the Hillary in Bill's second term.

This capsulizes one of several problems I have with HRC. Just who in hell is she?
 
Oh argh!!!!! I rushed home to find ABC isn't showing the debate live. We get the tape 3 hours from now. :headache:
 
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