NYC to PR - how is this allowed?

[rantnnravin]

I am so confused and I hope someone (Tonka's Skipper?) can explain.
I was looking at the 2017 NYC cruises and saw the 5-night to Puerto Rico (no return).
How is this allowed? I thought the Jones Act prohibits one-way transport within the U.S.??

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Hi rantnnravin,

The Passenger act/ Jones Act is a complicated legal thing when dealing with passengers. The only thing that comes to mind is that PR is a US Territory, not a state. I believe other lines have done this in the past.

Truck 1, any ideas?


AKK

 

[lpereira]

PR and the US Virgin Islands are not US ports under the Jones Act.

 

[rantnnravin]

Thanks TS. I thought that about it being a territory - but then again, I don't need ID/BC to fly to PR...

 

[PrincessShmoo]

I am so confused and I hope someone (Tonka's Skipper?) can explain.
I was looking at the 2017 NYC cruises and saw the 5-night to Puerto Rico (no return).
How is this allowed? I thought the Jones Act prohibits one-way transport within the U.S.??

The actual wording in the PVSA (covers transport of passengers - Jones Act covers transport of goods):
EXCEPTIONS
Transportation of Passengers Between Puerto Rico and Other U.S. Ports—46 U.S.C. § 55104 An exception to the PVSA permits non-coastwise-qualified vessels (vessels not qualified to engage in the coastwise trade) to transport passengers on voyages between ports in Puerto Rico and other U.S. ports until qualified U.S. vessels are available.
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/pvsa_icp_3.pdf

 

[rantnnravin]

PR and the US Virgin Islands are not US ports under the Jones Act.

now I'm even more confused

 

[rantnnravin]

The actual wording in the PVSA (covers transport of passengers - Jones Act covers transport of goods):
EXCEPTIONS
Transportation of Passengers Between Puerto Rico and Other U.S. Ports—46 U.S.C. § 55104 An exception to the PVSA permits non-coastwise-qualified vessels (vessels not qualified to engage in the coastwise trade) to transport passengers on voyages between ports in Puerto Rico and other U.S. ports until qualified U.S. vessels are available.
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/pvsa_icp_3.pdf

Thanks Schmoo. That thing is ridiculous.

 

[dclpluto]

Just remember you can't do a b2b. You can't do NYC to San Juan than San Juan back to port canerval or Miami or wherever it is going. But you can do a round trip in San Juan than a repo back to port canerval or wherever. Or vice versa

 

[dclpluto]

The actual wording in the PVSA (covers transport of passengers - Jones Act covers transport of goods):
EXCEPTIONS
Transportation of Passengers Between Puerto Rico and Other U.S. Ports—46 U.S.C. § 55104 An exception to the PVSA permits non-coastwise-qualified vessels (vessels not qualified to engage in the coastwise trade) to transport passengers on voyages between ports in Puerto Rico and other U.S. ports until qualified U.S. vessels are available.
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/pvsa_icp_3.pdf

Haven't seen you in a while princess hopefully everything is ok and you were just on a long vacation.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Haven't seen you in a while princess hopefully everything is ok and you were just on a long vacation.

Just back from the EBTA.

 

[dclpluto]

Just back from the EBTA.

That's why I haven't seen you here in a while when my cruise ended the Panama Canal your cruise started that day.

 

[TGuy]

Just remember you can't do a b2b. You can't do NYC to San Juan than San Juan back to port canerval or Miami or wherever it is going. But you can do a round trip in San Juan than a repo back to port canerval or wherever. Or vice versa

So the B2B I have my eye on is doing this. Ports of call include Tortola, St. Kitts and Castaway Cay. Are those not included in the "distant foreign ports" stops required?

 

[PrincessShmoo]

So the B2B I have my eye on is doing this. Ports of call include Tortola, St. Kitts and Castaway Cay. Are those not included in the "distant foreign ports" stops required?

No, a distant foreign port is described as any port NOT in "North America, Central America, the Bermuda Islands, or the West Indies (including the Bahama Islands, but not including the Leeward Islands of the Netherlands Antilles, i.e., Aruba, Bonaire, and Curacao)."

 

[dclpluto]

So the B2B I have my eye on is doing this. Ports of call include Tortola, St. Kitts and Castaway Cay. Are those not included in the "distant foreign ports" stops required?

What's the 2 cruises you want to take where does it start and where does it end? I'm assuming the b2b you are talking about is a San Juan round trip and than San Juan to Florida. This is allowed im also booked on these 2 cruises but the way the economy is I will probably cancel at least one maybe both.

 

[TGuy]

dclpluto, I am looking to book 26 Nov 2017 NY to San Juan followed by 1 Dec 2017 San Juan to Miami. Were you allowed to book both back to back?

 

[PrincessShmoo]

What's the 2 cruises you want to take where does it start and where does it end? I'm assuming the b2b you are talking about is a San Juan round trip and than San Juan to Florida. This is allowed im also booked on these 2 cruises but the way the economy is I will probably cancel at least one maybe both.

Since the total cruise you're taking is San Juan to Florida, yes, it's legal. The person you're asking is talking about a NY/San Juan, San Juan/Miami B2B - not legal.

 

[dclpluto]

dclpluto, I am looking to book 26 Nov 2017 NY to San Juan followed by 1 Dec 2017 San Juan to Miami. Were you allowed to book both back to back?

You are not allowed to do both of these two cruises