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[tdashgirl]

That's great Sherry. I love them. I may do mine when I get home from my trip.

So funny, I am thinking the same thing, if we go. Take a bunch of photos and upload 'em to snapfish as soon as we get home. I will be cutting it close - February 28th exactly

 

[Sherry E]

So funny, I am thinking the same thing, if we go. Take a bunch of photos and upload 'em to snapfish as soon as we get home. I will be cutting it close - February 28th exactly

Oooh...that's cutting it really, really close! You'd have the pesky uploading to do and then the assembly. But you've got to include some of your newer photos if you are able to make it to DLR! I'm sure you have some great holiday photos that you can add, too?

 

[kaoden39]

Do you like the first calendar better (with fewer photos per page) or the 'more bang for your buck' calendar #2, with more photos crammed onto each page? There are benefits to both!

You most definitely should make a calendar (while the free offer is still good) from your photos of this upcoming trip! I hope you're able to get some good ones. The rain is supposed to be super heavy tonight and into tomorrow afternoon, and then taper off a tad. That will certainly mean light crowds on this holiday weekend, I think. I hope it's nice and uncrowded when you get to DLR! And I hope you're feeling all better by the time you head to Anaheim!

Didn't you say you started trying to fiddle with Snapfish and then gave up? Hopefully, it will work for you when you return. I think it's a really good deal.



Seeing all this gloom outside has made me crave cocoa...which, for some reason, then makes me crave a gingerbread cookie with mouse ears from DLR. And there are none of those to be had around here, so I guess an apple willl have to do.

I like them both but I actually think I like the second one more. I was thinking that if I do make mine that I want to do a lot of pictures on it.

Interestingly enough I got an email from them reminding me to make it so I guess it ironed itself out.

I hope the weather dries up a little. But, I am prepared and I want a Mickey rain poncho anyway so I will get one weather it rains or not. Is the rain a cold rain down there too? Ours is like 42 degrees and raining.

 

[Sherry E]

I like them both but I actually think I like the second one more. I was thinking that if I do make mine that I want to do a lot of pictures on it.

Interestingly enough I got an email from them reminding me to make it so I guess it ironed itself out.

I hope the weather dries up a little. But, I am prepared and I want a Mickey rain poncho anyway so I will get one weather it rains or not. Is the rain a cold rain down there too? Ours is like 42 degrees and raining.

To me, it feels like a cold rain. Right now, my weather icon on the toolbar says 54 degrees. It definitely feels cooler than that, so that may need to be refreshed! Then again, the worst of the rain has not kicked in yet. Maybe it will be colder when it does. Supposedly there is thunder and lightning expected with the heavy rain.

Ahhh, so you like calendar #2 better? The 'get more bang for your buck' approach! Yeah, I can understand that too. I like both the sparse approach and the 'lots of pictures' approach. The more photos there are to look at, the more smiles brought to your face every day when you see your calendar!!

 

[kaoden39]

To me, it feels like a cold rain. Right now, my weather icon on the toolbar says 54 degrees. It definitely feels cooler than that, so that may need to be refreshed! Then again, the worst of the rain has not kicked in yet. Maybe it will be colder when it does. Supposedly there is thunder and lightning expected with the heavy rain.

Ahhh, so you like calendar #2 better? The 'get more bang for your buck' approach! Yeah, I can understand that too. I like both the sparse approach and the 'lots of pictures' approach. The more photos there are to look at, the more smiles brought to your face every day when you see your calendar!!

That is my thought about the calendar. You have a month up for a long time and when there are a lot of pictures there you have plenty to look at. I like that.

 

[deejdigsdis]

It's a toss-up for me Sherry. As far as which calendar I like better. I love to see a great photo showcased, but I also love the collage-type look with lots of photos. I don't know. I really love them both. I'm hoping to get a start on mine today!

 

[TheColtonsMom]

That is my thought about the calendar. You have a month up for a long time and when there are a lot of pictures there you have plenty to look at. I like that.

I'm going to say I'd like it to alternate. One month collage and the next a showcase page. Would keep it interesting and different as you turn the pages.

 

[Sherry E]

That is my thought about the calendar. You have a month up for a long time and when there are a lot of pictures there you have plenty to look at. I like that.

It's a toss-up for me Sherry. As far as which calendar I like better. I love to see a great photo showcased, but I also love the collage-type look with lots of photos. I don't know. I really love them both. I'm hoping to get a start on mine today!

I'm going to say I'd like it to alternate. One month collage and the next a showcase page. Would keep it interesting and different as you turn the pages.

Very interesting! I enjoy hearing the different feedback and opinions!

Michele and deej, I'll be super eager to see what your calendars look like too (that is, if you both hustle and get them made!), and whether you go with a 15-photos-per-page approach or a more 'showcase' approach.

Sherri - That's a good idea, too! My first calendar is kinda sorta that way - but not intentionally, and not all the way through. I did a few 'showcase' pages with only one or two photos - or one large photo and some small ones around it. And then I did a couple of pages with lots of photos. But when I did the first calendar, I wasn't thinking it through as much. I knew I wanted the DLR photos I really liked in there, but I didn't think too much about how I was going to arrange them. I was just kind of sticking pictures in the designated spaces and seeing what happened.

With the second calendar, I knew I wanted themes - an all-New Orleans Square mask page, an all-ToonTown page, an all IASW Holiday wreaths page, a page devoted to the wreaths of Frontierland and the Reindeer Round-Up, a page with all of the (fake) goodies in various displays and a Valentine-themed page. Then I stuck some miscellaneous pages in with just random Christmas shots (and some non-Christmas-specific shots). So in order to do those themes, I knew I had to go for the 'squeeze as many pictures onto the pages as possible' plan.

But your idea of alternating is a great one! Too bad I don't have a third code for a free calendar...or I just might try that plan!!



And now, not only am I craving gingerbread cookies with mouse ears, I can't wait to get back to DLR for the holidays (or Halloween) and start snapping away again! I am getting the itch. I need to go nuts with the camera at DLR again. (And deej - I need to start waving around my lethal scarf again too!) Well, I kind of always have the itch to snap away, but whether I act on it or not is another story.

I added in some teeny 'highlight reel' Halloween photos on the first page/first post of the Halloween Time Super Thread (like the ones I have on the first page/first post of the Christmas thread), but I desperately need more Halloween photos! I want to make an all-Halloween Time calendar!

 

[Sherry E]

Okay, okay, okay...since I know you all have been clamoring for more photos rotfl2:), I suppose I've waited long enough. Finally it's time to post these lackluster, not-that-interesting PhotoPass 'holiday' pictures...even though many of them don't even look all that holiday-esque, frankly. There's nothing really all that cute like the Rockettes pose we did in 2009, or the Charlie's Angels pose from 2009, or the 'make a funny face and stick your tongue out' pose that we've done before. They're all just kind of...meh. Or maybe I was just not in a real PhotoPass-ish mood this past trip. Plus, when they removed some of the old, tired borders they added in some new, puzzling borders like the "Up" stuff you will see, which made no sense.

I can tell you one main reason I have procrastinated in posting these (other than the fact that I think most of them are just blah) is because out of all the trouble I have with Photobucket on a regular basis, I seem to have the most trouble with Photopass pictures. It is a huge pain to upload them - it takes forever - and it's a pain to crop or resize them to a smaller size. Most of the time, if I try to upload a bunch of them at once time, only 2 or 3 photos will actually upload and then I have to keep re-trying. And then when I try to copy and paste the links to be able to post them anywhere, that locks up my PC about 5 photos in.

My PC and my Photobucket account just don't get along with PhotoPass pictures!

Anyway, here are a few from November 13th, with Mary Jo, Mariezp, Nancy/YellowMickeyPonchos and Ros/rtobe:

You can't even really see the Castle that well, and it's an odd angle for the Partners statue:

I actually selected a couple of borders for this shot, but for some reason neither one of them appeared on my CD when I got it...and I didn't have the incentive to write the PhotoPass people and ask what happened:

From December 12, 2010, with Shawn:

Still working the thumbs:

The PhotoPass CM actually told us to stand back to back with our arms folded...but Shawn had other ideas!

Heeeeeeeeeeeere's Duffy! I love this first border!

I've seen other people's balloon photos where their balloons were not as cut off as this on the top of the picture!!

See…the sensible thing to do would be to use the “Up” border with the balloon photo…since balloons play a very important role in “Up.” But, as you can see, the “Up” border cuts off even more of the balloons than what was already cut off in the border-less photo! I actually showed you the "Up" border here that cut off less of the balloons - the other "Up" border cut off more of them. Silly!

Shawn is working the thumbs again!

 

[kaoden39]

Great Sherry!!

Shawn does love the thumb.

 

[Sherry E]

Great Sherry!!

Shawn does love the thumb.

She does! She will work it into photos even when no one else is doing it, even if the CM is telling us to pose a different way, yet if I say "Let's give a thumbs up," she will often not do it...which I notice later in the photo!

Do you agree with Molly and me that the Up borders are kind of pointless and not really relevant to anything?

I wish they would add in some Toy Story borders or Monsters, Inc. borders. In fact, they should have PP photographers in each land of each park, and have borders themed to each area of each land.

 

[deejdigsdis]

And now, not only am I craving gingerbread cookies with mouse ears, I can't wait to get back to DLR for the holidays (or Halloween) and start snapping away again! I am getting the itch. I need to go nuts with the camera at DLR again. (And deej - I need to start waving around my lethal scarf again too!) Well, I kind of always have the itch to snap away, but whether I act on it or not is another story.

That's funny you mentioned the lethal scarf! I was so looking forward to seeing pictures of you waving it around under security's nose! But given your weather -- what was it again? In the 80s? That wasn't going to happen. Soooo...I actually planned on taking my scarf with me when I went a few weeks ago. I was going to have my sister take a picture of me waving it wildly. But -- we had temps in the mid-70s and I don't do winter scarves in mid-70s! So yes, let's hope for cooler, scarf-worthy temps for you next time.

I will definitely be making my calendar this week. I just got the code last night. I can't wait!

Great Sherry!!

Shawn does love the thumb.

I was thinking this same thing! I love how Shawn sneaks in the thumb here and there. I'm glad you posted the PP pictures Sherry. The way you were talking about them...I guess my expectations were low. I thought they were great. I really like the border around the one with the Mickey Floral. I also like the one with the fall leaves "floating" around the pic by the Grizzly Bear. Oh yeah, I really like your blue sweater. That's a really pretty color.

 

[Sherry E]

That's funny you mentioned the lethal scarf! I was so looking forward to seeing pictures of you waving it around under security's nose! But given your weather -- what was it again? In the 80s? That wasn't going to happen. Soooo...I actually planned on taking my scarf with me when I went a few weeks ago. I was going to have my sister take a picture of me waving it wildly. But -- we had temps in the mid-70s and I don't do winter scarves in mid-70s! So yes, let's hope for cooler, scarf-worthy temps for you next time.

I will definitely be making my calendar this week. I just got the code last night. I can't wait!



I was thinking this same thing! I love how Shawn sneaks in the thumb here and there. I'm glad you posted the PP pictures Sherry. The way you were talking about them...I guess my expectations were low. I thought they were great. I really like the border around the one with the Mickey Floral. I also like the one with the fall leaves "floating" around the pic by the Grizzly Bear. Oh yeah, I really like your blue sweater. That's a really pretty color.

I'm glad you liked the PP pictures, deej! Apparently, you and Michele were the only ones who noticed or cared that I posted them!! Everyone else abandoned me again. Ah well... They were a good group while I had their attention! (By the way, what happened to amamax2? She totally disappeared!)

I felt this batch of PP pics was boring because a lot of the stuff is kind of the same stuff you see in every one of my PP series of pictures or in other people's pictures. In fact, this time I actually got even fewer photos - no character PP pictures this time (except for Duffy), no picture in front of the DCA tree, no Castle picture, no picture with Santa in any location...I was not motivated on this trip like I usually am.

I think part of the problem was that I was in so much pain on that day that Shawn was there, as you guys will all remember. That put a huge damper on my eagerness to do PhotoPass and smile or make goofy faces. I am usually a really good sport about doing wacky stuff for photos, and I don't care if I look ridiculous while doing it. All in the name of fun. This time I was just suffering silently, so it was tough to do that.

And then on the days when I was solo and in less pain, I think I was more focused on getting all of my own shots than doing PhotoPass. I wanted to have some PhotoPass pictures from the trip - just in case anything went wrong with my own pictures - but I didn't pursue that on my solo days like I should have.

Also, when we hit the jackppot and got a PP photographer who wanted to take a bunch of pictures of us (because she didn't have any other guests approaching her) over in DCA, by the waterfalls/Grizzly Peak, all the pictures essentially looked the same! I have others that I could have posted here, but they look almost exactly like the ones I already posted!!

And then I find myself nit-picking over certain technical things. Like, take, for example, the photo from November, with Mary Jo, Marie, Nancy and Ros, where we are all holding out our hands for Tinkerbell. The way the photographer was positioned when she took out photo, Tinkerbell is right in front of Marie's arm/wrist, so it's harder to see Tinkerbell. You can see her, of course, but not as well. What the PP photographer should have done was stepped over to the side a bit, or maybe asked Marie to move her wrist slightly or something, so that Tinkerbell would be seen clearly against Marie's dark shirt. What's the point of a 'magic shot' if you can't see the magic in the shot as clearly as it should be seen?

I hope that with all the changes coming to DCA in the next couple of years, there will be many more PhotoPass locations around both parks and elsewhere. I really do think they need to have at least one PP person stationed in each land of each park - maybe even more that that in each land, depending on what's happening in that land. I think they try to do that when they can, but it doesn't always work out that way. They also need to make sure to station them in any spot that is extra scenic. The IASW Holiday PP nighttime area is really tricky because, no matter how you slice it, there are a million people in the line that show up in the background of your photo.



Thank you for the compliment on the sweater. I love that sweater because it's very lightweight and airy. Not bulky and oppressive at all. So it was perfect for me on a December day that was hot, but could turn chilly at the drop of a hat. It is enough to keep me shielded from getting sunburnt, but since it has holes throughout, it keeps me ventilated!! And I like the color, too - it actually is much brighter in person. The pictures didn't really pick up the color level.

It was definitely not winter scarf weather when I was at DLR in December. It was, I think, around 90 degrees or so (or very upper 80's) on the first day, and not much cooler than that on Day 2!! I had the scarf in the hotel rooms, but there was no waving it around wildly at the Security people on that trip.

I think your plan to do the winter scarf photo when you were at DLR is hysterical! It's too bad it was so warm! If you ever do that, I want to see it!!!

And I can't wait to see your calendar once it gets complete - that is, if those are pictures you can show us. Are you doing all people shots or non-people shots? Well, whatever you are able to share with us of the calendar, I am eager to see it!

 

[TheColtonsMom]

I am still here...just busy busy since Colton has a 3 1/2 day weekend and we are working on his Science Fair project. I am glad you finally posted your Photo Pass Pics.

You know they didn't have Photopass when we went in 2002 (or we didn't know about it) and when we went at Christmas the only 2 PP photographers we saw were at the Jedi Academy and in Fantasyland by the sword in the stone. We even looked for them based on other peoples photopass locations we had seen. I guess it was just too crowded for them to get anything good?

We only had a total of 11 pics on our CD and most of those were at sword in the stone & the carousel (that PP photog was great!) with one or 2 at the academy. We lost the our photopass pictures (went outside the window) when the satellite fiasco happened but we were really condisering not buying them anyway. There were only 2 shots we felt were special and that is alot of money for 2 photos. Hopefully next time we go we will find more PP photogs out & about and be able to buy our 1st CD.

 

[Sherry E]

Sherri - Woo hoo! I'm so glad you're still with me, my Rankin-Bass lovin' friend! We Rankin Bass fans have to stick together here!!

Yes, it definitely wouldn't seem worth it to just get a couple of PhotoPass pictures and spend that money, unless you really, really wanted those pictures. I still think PhotoPass is a good option to have as a back-up, and I always try to actively pursue the photographers or stop at every PP location I see...except for this last trip. And I really should have forced myself to do it even though I was busy snapping my own photos, because you just never know what can happen with your own camera, your own memory card, your own computer...any number of unfortunate scenarios can ensue that would cause the loss of photos. So it's good to actively take PhotoPass pictures throughout a trip in addition to all of my own.

I'm not sure when PhotoPass was introduced to Disney parks. I have a feeling it started at WDW first, then made its way to DLR, but I could be wrong on that. I know I first spotted the photographers roaming around in 2007, and I thought, "What a silly idea! Why would I want their photographers to take pictures when I can do it myself?" Trouble is, I had a particular group of friends with me on those trips in 2007 and the four of us had not all been together since, oh, probably 1991. This was a momentous occasion when we were all together at DLR, and I am now kicking myself that I didn't get some nice PP pictures of us all together...because the four of us will probably not be together again for many years. Maybe three of us will be, but not all 4. The more I learned about PhotoPass (on the DIS), the more I realized I wanted to try it.

There have definitely been complaints from people in the last year or so that the PP photographers are disappearing. There used to be more of them and more PP locations, but they seem to be vanishing. Part of that has to do with the work taking place at DCA, I guess. Also, I suppose that huge crowds may also have an impact - it's just dificult to snap good photos when there are mobs of people swarming around you every which way.

Good luck to Colton and his Science Fair entry!! How fun!!

 

[areweindisneyyet]

Loving the pp photos. Hope all is going well in your world sherry. Love the calendars too. Can't wait to do one for next year with our photos. Gearing up for our trip to Europe and visiting dlp for the first time. Just for a day. 6 weeks to go

 

[Sherry E]

Loving the pp photos. Hope all is going well in your world sherry. Love the calendars too. Can't wait to do one for next year with our photos. Gearing up for our trip to Europe and visiting dlp for the first time. Just for a day. 6 weeks to go

areweindisneyyet - Thanks for sticking with me here! Things are the usual mass of chaos and stress in my world, but I try to roll with it and cope! Of course, it's always a fun, enjoyable time to come here and visit with my DIS-friends.

Thank you for the compliments on the PhotoPass pictures and my calendars. But does anyone here agree with me that the Up borders are not relevant to anything? They don't seem to fit with any of the PhotoPass locations or opportunities.

As for the calendars, of course, the main appeal of this calendar was that it was free (except for the shipping and tax). But every year, a different photo-hosting site seems to offer a free calendar. Last year it was Shutterfly. This time it was Snapfish. I have to say, though - I think I've been spoiled by the Snapfish calendars. In so many ways, it was such a better deal and a better value than the Shutterfly calendar last year, I think. Better quality, bgger size, better, sturdier paper, Disney atock photos on each page, a cute thumbnail page at the end...I may stick with Snapfish next year even if I DON'T get another free offer! I'll always take advantage of a free calendar offer, but I may not put as much time and effort into it if it's not as good as the Snapfish ones.

I can't wait to see your photos from DLP...and, of course, I can't wait to see the DLR holiday photos you and your husband come up with later this year.





To be honest, I can't wait for the holidays myself! I said before that I am getting the itch to go on a photo tear again.

See, this is the time when I wish I lived where my friend Shawn lives (in Anaheim). Because I can't always plan out my schedule way in advance due to money and work issues, sometimes I may have an unexpected block of time on my hands out of the blue. A few days ago, I was thinking, "I wish I lived close to Disneyland. I feel like popping over there for a few hours and the coming home."

When I say I wish I lived close to DLR, keep in mind that in the scheme of things, where I live (in L.A., close to Beverly Hills) is considered "close" to Disneyland by anyone who doesn't live in SoCal. Everyone thinks this is practically a stone's throw away. Even with a car, and even on day with no traffic, where I live is still a good 40 - 45 minutes away from Disneyland.

However, as those who have followed my TR ups and downs in getting to DLR know, I am far enough away from DLR for it to be a problem in getting there - hence, the reason I make so few trips.

When I say I wish I lived close to DLR, I mean like the same distance between The Grove/Farmers Market and me. If I have a few hours to spare on a certain day, unexpectedly, and I get the urge to visit The Grove or FM, I can just walk up the street and do that.

I wish I lived where Shawn lives in that, if I suddenly had a block of time to spare, I could pop over to Disneyland for a few hours and just look around, take a few photos, etc., then come home.

For example, I wish I had been able to go to DLR for Valentine's day to see the decorations (not as extensive as Halloween and Christmas, but fun nonetheless). I would do the same thing on Easter, too, IF Disneyland had anything worth seeing on Easter (which I don't think they do). I'd love to pop over there for a few hours to see if there is anything remotely green for St. Patrick's Day.

Also, I would love to pop over to DLR for just a few hours to see the Family Fun/Mardi Gras weekends that are coming up. I'm just curious to see New Orleans Square.

I don't need lengthy, all-day-long or multi-day trips to see these things. Just a few random hours here and there when the opportunity arises. I can save the bigger trips for Christmas and maybe Halloween.

But, alas, it is not possible for me, sadly. Logistically and financially, spur of the moment trips just don't work for me.

 

[Sherry E]

Okay, I will admit.... I hope, hope, hope that DLR does not choose to use their option for a third gate (park) at DLR to build...a water park.

Why am I bringing this up out of the blue? Because I just received yet another survey from Disney and it has me thinking that they are planning for a waterpark at DLR, which is what I was afraid of. This survey was not as lengthy or as detailed as the one I did a couple of weeks ago (that one was the one that outlined all the changes DLR is considering making to their onsite hotel bookings and packages). This one today was very brief, and just asked basic questions such as "Are you a current Annual Pass holder," "When you recently visited Disneyland resort, did you go to Disneyland, California Adventure or Downtown Disney," "What is your annual income," etc. Basic stuff.

However, there was one rather interesting question in the whole thing. It was something like "Which projects are you aware of that Disney is currently planning/building?" I am paraphrasing, but that was essentially it, maybe with a word or two switched around.

And the choices they gave as answers to that question included "A resort in Hawaii," "A resort in China," a couple of other things that I can't recall, and...."A water park in California." (Or was it a water park in Anaheim? I don't remember.)

In any case, all of the other options for answers that they gave were, indeed, things that are already in the planning stages, about to open, or are being built. We already know about the resort in Hawaii. We already know about Shanghai Disneyland. And I wish I could recall what the other two choices were, but they were things I had already heard of being planned or built.

And then there was the "water park" in California or Anaheim option.

So the obvious conclusion that I drew from that would be that, indeed, a water park for CA is in the works. It could be in the very, very early planning stages. It might even be in some other location in CA that is not Anaheim.



But seeing that there has been much speculation as to what will happen with the third gate idea and if it will be a water park or something else, it sounds like it could, possibly, be a water park.

Am I the only one who will be very disappointed if Disney wastes their limitless creativity - and limited space - on a water park in Anaheim? First of all, we have other water parks in SoCal. Yes, I know Disney's water parks are cuter and more detailed. But they could do so much with another space - even a small space. Even if they had to do a little mini-park, a mini-Epcot, they could find some great way to execute it without having to resort to the water park idea. A water park seems like the easy way out to try to build up Disneyland Resort as a vacation destination - without having to put too much thought into it.

Then again, I don't have kids so I am only looking at it from a grumpy adult viewpoint.

Any thoughts or opinions?

 

[deejdigsdis]

Am I the only one who will be very disappointed if Disney wastes their limitless creativity - and limited space - on a water park in Anaheim? NO.
A water park seems like the easy way out to try to build up Disneyland Resort as a vacation destination - without having to put too much thought into it.

I agree -- well put Sherry. If they built a water park...most of my time would be spent at Disneyland, a small portion would be spent at DCA, and zero time would be spent at the water park.

By the way, I'm making my calendar right now. I uploaded tons of photos to Snapfish to give me the option of doing those collage-type pages. But -- I am only getting the options of 1, 2 or 3 photos per layout. What's up with that? I really would like to use more photos, but I can't find the option to go with more than 3 photos.

 

[Sherry E]

I agree -- well put Sherry. If they built a water park...most of my time would be spent at Disneyland, a small portion would be spent at DCA, and zero time would be spent at the water park.

By the way, I'm making my calendar right now. I uploaded tons of photos to Snapfish to give me the option of doing those collage-type pages. But -- I am only getting the options of 1, 2 or 3 photos per layout. What's up with that? I really would like to use more photos, but I can't find the option to go with more than 3 photos.

Ahhh...see that layout of the calendars threw me off at first, too. They make it sem as though you can only put up to 3 photos per page. They don't define clearly how you can add 15 photos per page, but you can.

Believe it or not, all you do is just drag the photos from where you have them showing on the right hand side of the page over to the calendar page. Don't worry about which slot to put them in at first. Just drag up to 15 photos over to the page and you will see them fit in. Then you can shuffle the layouts around until you get one you like.

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who will be annoyed if DLR uses its small space to make a water park! That's such a rare chance for SoCal to get another touch of Disney magic, and they could find some sort of small park concept to work with, I'm sure. The water park idea is only good at WDW because they have 4 other parks. But when we only have 2 parks, we don't need the 3rd one to be a water park.