Not your usual trip report -- new post 8-20, just a heads-up to the nice scooter folk

toothboy2k1

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Having read so many trip reports in anticipation of my own journey to the world of Disney, I hope you don’t mind if I diverge from the blow-by-blow first-person accounts that seem to be so popular. Quite frankly I can't see how anyone would be interested in what my 11-year-old son and I did from the moment we touched down at the Orlando International Airport – we walked quickly to the tram hoping to beat the dozens of Disney-bound travelers who shared our flight, a mentality that apparently dominates so many people venturing to the land where time is marked not by watches, but by the magical numbers on the Stand-By Entrance lines – to the second we boarded the eerily quiet motorcoach back to the airport eight days later, a ride unencumbered with the smiles and peppy introduction video who watched on the way in.


Instead I will break this trip report into the essentials, peppering a few facts in with many opinions of what I considered to be the essentials. No doubt I will offend many of the Disneyphiles who populate this site (you’ll see), but I hope it will inform and even entertain all, even those who strongly disagree.
So let us begin at the beginning of our June 21-28 trip, and that would be:


THE MAGICAL EXPRESS: You know what would be more magical? Signs pointing the way, the ones promised in the literature sent to us three weeks prior to departure. We saw the baggage claim signs, and followed those instead. Fortunately we had familiarized ourselves with the map and knew where we generally had to be. And that is when we discovered our very first Disney line. No, we couldn’t board the bus right away, the cast member told us. We had to go over to the Magical Express desk across the way where a long line awaited. Not so sure it was as much to check in (getting our voucher stamped) as it was to indoctrinate us in the Way of the Line. Ah, the magic of it all. Though it was a pleasant trip and our bags arrived as promised.


PLAY NICE: Let’s say Disney was actually unprepared, service-wise, for the arrival of the Magical Express at, for purposes of argument, the Beach Club Resort. Let’s say there were 15 people in line at the check-in desk, and only one clerk checking people in. And let’s say that, even though there wasn’t a sign, it turned out the Stand-By Entrance time was 25 minutes. To check in. To a hotel allegedly expecting you. But when you are second in line, three cast members suddenly arrive at the desk, and thus you are called to the desk by a woman who may or may not have just started her shift. Do you whine and complain? Of course not. You will do enough of that with your spouse and children later. No, you talk about how good you feel to be here, sharing some laughs. Then perhaps you too will be magically upgraded to a water view room that is just steps from the main lobby, a location that would pay dividends throughout the stay. Great view, short walk to Epcot (7 minutes from room to entrance), a huge boon each and every day. And speaking of that:


LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION: Though we will likely never return to Disney World (very far away from home in Arizona, too many places to see and things to do elsewhere on the planet), if we were to return, we would assuredly book an Epcot area resort. Rooms were nice at the Beach Club, great view of the Boardwalk (which, by the way, was nowhere near as lively as Disney literature suggested, but still was a pleasant little diversion and nice to have near if you keep it in perspective), but best of all was ability to walk to Epcot and Disney Studios (we will dispense with the abbreviations used by so many insiders who assume all are as learned in all things Disney). Epcot was minutes away, the studios about a 15-to-20-minute pleasant walk. Or you could take one of the fleet of Friendships plying the lake and canals, though walking to Epcot was much faster, and only once did the boat beat us to Disney Studios. The fact that two parks were so close spared us much aggravation, for two reasons, those being CROWDS and the Disney version of MASS TRANSIT.


CROWDS: Busy busy busy. We are Disneyland veterans and are accustomed to the masses, but we learned our lessons very quickly. We got to the parks early (at least 45 minutes before opening), ate lunch early (by 11:30 a.m.), had dinner early on nights we did not have reservations (by 5 p.m.), and took a break from parks by 1 or 2 p.m. Later we would return to one of the parks close by so as not to trapped by the Disney version of


MASS TRANSIT: Sure, you could use the monorail to get around, and we did a few times in mid-afternoon. But most people take the bus. And they jam onto them at park opening and closing as if learning the fine art of packing them like sardines from subway riders in Tokyo. Off-hours travel was fine (10 a.m.-4 p.m., roughly). But if you were unfortunate enough to be caught in rush hour, well, let’s just say this was the most unpopular ride at the parks (other than Stitch’s Great Escape, but more on that later). On the morning that Animal Kingdom had early admission, we watched (from the safety of the Magic Kingdom bus lane at the Beach Club) as people crowded onto the bus. At one point the driver was forced to come out and ask people to wait for the next one, which was just five minutes away. Still, a family of five with stroller squeezed on as the driver watched. And upon leaving the studios at 8 o’clock one evening, there were about 200 people waiting to board the bus to the All-Star Resort. Thank goodness we were walking back. And speaking of the All Star Resort:


DON’T CHEAP IT OUT: We understand there are many people who really can’t afford to visit Disney World at the better hotels, and will happily accept the budget hotels thinking they are a bargain. Those who do will pay for it with time and aggravation. You will ride the bus everywhere, you will stay far longer at the parks than your children can tolerate because you really don’t want to spend 45 minutes to an hour on a crowded bus to get back to your unenviable location, you and your family will grow weary very quickly, and when you finally leave the Happiest Place on Earth, you will wonder why all your incredibly high expectations weren’t met (yet convincing yourself it was the “Best vacation ever!” for no other reason than you went to Disney World, because to think anything less would be blasphemous and cause you to question all the money and time you put into the thing). Yes, Disney World is expensive even at the budget hotels. Yes, you can have a great time staying at them if your temperament is such that you have a very high threshold of waits, lines and crowds. But if you save another year or two (as we did), it will most certainly pay off in the best vacation ever. Speaking of money, let’s address:


THE DINING PLAN: Disney does many things right, and this is one of them. We wish the real world would let us buy a plan in which all we need to do is present our card to the server to pay for appetizer, entrée, dessert, tax and gratuity (do not underestimate the value of the inclusion of gratuity, it’s huge). We ate far better than we would have otherwise, ordering steak, ribs and seafood without thought to price. In fact, the more expensive the better because it was already paid for. The more you spend, the more you save. Awesome and highly recommended. Just make sure you plan accordingly. Make those reservations. We saw dozens of people turned away from Sci-Fi Dine Inn at Disney Studios because it was not taking walkups. Yet we waited no more than 15 minutes for our table and had a wonderful time. Food was so-so, but experience was priceless (probably a MasterCard commercial in there somewhere, too bad Disney works with Visa). And about food quality:


THOUGHTS FROM A NON-CRITIC ON FOOD: The fast-food joints were pretty much all the same, offering decent fare at inflated prices (remember the Dining Plan, folks). As far as sit-down restaurants go, high marks to the Yachtsman Steakhouse (Yacht Club Resort) and the Rose and Crown (England in Epcot). The Rose also served beer in half-yards, a nice touch even if the half-yard was plastic (though you get to keep it). We will stay far away from the brewpub on the Boardwalk (Big River Canyon Grille or somesuch). Had reservations at 6 p.m. and yet waited 40 minutes for a table as well as a meal that featured a very tough ribeye (how do you mess up a medium-rare ribeye?) and, even worse, a mediocre pale ale (the red ale was very good). The rest pretty much blends together.


WEATHER: If you are afraid of a little water, by all means buy a poncho. Almost everyone was wearing them shortly after the afternoon thunderstorms started. You will not look silly. However, we are of the mind that friends don’t let friends wear ponchos. Yes, we got wet, at times soaked. But you know what? At some point we dried out and, unlike the Wicked Witch of the West, didn’t melt. Go figure. Do not let the rain stop you from enjoying the parks. Well, except for Test Track at Epcot, which shut down during thunderstorms and was offline for hours at a time (perhaps a reflection a real world where GM shuts down testing in bad weather, which would certainly explain Pontiacs). Let the weak and the families with small children huddle in alcoves. Take advantage of the rain and enjoy the one time you can walk around and not be jostled stroller-pushing moms and dads more concerned with the park maps they are studying than the traffic ahead. Speaking of parks, let’s take them one at a time.


ANIMAL KINGDOM: The most unfortunate thing about Disney World is the way it stashed its best ride in the worst, most difficult to navigate park. OK, so Imagineers wanted to boost attendance at Disney World’s weak sister of a theme park. While investing millions in Expedition Everest (worth every cent, by the way), why didn’t someone at some point say, “Hey, let’s spend a few thousand bucks here and there to widen the walkways.” Everyone who arrives before Animal Kingdom opens is here for one reason, to ride the best attraction in the World (we will rank rides later). After a superfluous opening show with Minnie and Mickey, guests are led by two cast members holding a rope between them. These cast members walk very slowly. The people behind them want to take off as if chased by the bull of Pamplona. And at those rare times the walkway widens to accommodate more than 10 people across, anyone who does not mind sacrificing civility and decent human behavior to save a few minutes (that was almost everyone) sprints up the sides to cut into line a little farther up. Yet no one crosses the rope, which gave us this idea. Have cast members with ropes man the northern and southern US borders. Illegal immigration would come to a stunning halt. “Sorry, we’re not opening for another 10 or 15 years.” “Oh, OK, sorry, we’ll try back then.” “That would be great, have a wonderful Disney day.” Best ride: Yup, Everest. By far. Amazing. You really have to ride it. Get there early, then as you wait 45 minutes for the first ride, get a FastPass because they will be gone by noon. If you ride it twice, it was a successful day. Runner-up: Dinosaur. Darn fun. You can ride it 3-4 times before the Expedition Everest people find it later. Worthless: That train to Rafiki’s conservation station or whatever. You do not want to get stuck on that thing. Overrated ride: Kilamanjaro Safari. You ride a truck through the zoo. You may or may not see tigers and lions. You will see giraffes and antelope. Throw in some ridiculous story line about chasing a poacher (not even the littlest kids buy this ride as an action adventure) and you have an experience hardly worth the 40-minute wait in a queue that is wider than most walkways and, as a result, very slow moving.


DISNEY-MGM STUDIOS: As this is written, there is a report that a young boy died on Rockin Rollercoaster. Very sad. The first three seconds of that ride was far more intense (in our opinion) than anything in Mission: Space. It took our breath away, and in the resulting photo flashed as the coaster went from 0 to 60 in those 3 seconds, our eyes are closed and mouths open in a very embarrassing way. We did not buy the photo and did not go on a second ride. Still, it was an incredible ride. Make up your own mind. The studios are pretty small and can get packed early, but early in the morning and 30 minutes before closing, you can pretty much have your way. Best ride: Tower of Terror. Far better than the one at Disneyland. Wait was just 10 minutes at 9:30 p.m., when it had been up to 50 minutes most of the day. Runner-up: The stunt car show. Noisy, brash, and some very cool stunts. And you get to sit and relax for a while. Worthless: The Backlot Tour. Anyone who has been on the tour at Universal Studios-Hollywood will think Disney’s 20-minute version to be dismal. Overrated ride: That’d be the tour again. Go see Muppetvision 3D instead. Really.


EPCOT: By far our favorite, perhaps because it was 7 minutes away. Visited there almost every day. Lots of space to roam around, particularly in the World Showcase. At 9 p.m. each night, the blasts from the Illumination fireworks show boomed across the entire Epcot area and could easily be heard at Disney Studios. It’s more relaxed than other parks. Nothing beats sitting along the lake at the Rose and Crown Pub sipping a half-yard of Bass or Harp while you laugh at all the parents of kids far too young to appreciate, or even remember, all that Disney World has to offer. Best ride: Test Track. Hitting 65mph on the home stretch is a blast. Hold onto your hat. Runner-up: (Adult version) Riding a stool at the Rose and Crown. (Kid version). Doing the orange (spinning) side of Mission: Space. Worthless: The Journey into Imagination with Figment is the weakest attraction, but still not all that bad. Overrated ride: Not so much the ride itself, but the hype that you will get sick or die on Mission: Space. The green (non-spinning) side is fine for little kids and those prone to motion sickness, but don’t let Disney psyche you out with all the warnings about the orange side. We get seasick easily, but had no trouble with Space, and even rode it 5 times.


MAGIC KINGDOM: Second-best park at Disney World, but we’ve been to Disneyland about 50 times or so. The World versions of these rides are better: Peter Pan, Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Thunder Mountain. The Disneyland versions of these rides (and attraction) are better: Toontown, Jungle Boat, Astro Blasters, Space Mountain (way way way better), and, due to default, Matterhorn and Indiana Jones. Disneyland overall is better than Magic Kingdom, but there is more to the World than Magic Kingdom. Best ride: Splash Mountain. Nice balance between looks and thrills. Worthless: Stitch's Great Escape. We have no idea how this attraction was when it was about aliens, but the PeopleMover was thrilling and chilling compared to this waste of 15 minutes we'll never get back. We won't give the ride away, but imagine how "scary" it is to have someone tap you on the shoulder and whisper in your ear. That is the gist of this pathetic diversion. And we'll never get how Stitch became so popular in the first place. Overrated: Space Mountain. And that ride is way overrated, the most overrated ride in the whole World. The Disneyland version eats its launch.


TOP 5 RIDES OF DISNEY WORLD: 5. Dinosaur. 4. Mission: Space. 3. Test Track. 2. Tower of Terror. 1. Expedition Everest.


RANDOM THOUGHTS:
If you are cheaping it by staying at a budget hotel, do yourself a huge favor and rent a car. You will get everywhere much faster and save yourself a lot of headaches.
Disney service still rules. We were always greeted with a smile, everyone was so pleasant. Eerie.
Plan, but don’t overplan. Dinner reservations are a must, as well as knowing where you want to go each day. But we took time to do spontaneous things like play miniature golf or ride a rental bike around the Boardwalk. We even rented a small “speed”boat to cruise around the waterways between Boardwalk and Disney Studios. Favorite memory: Playing catch with a mini leather football purchased at the ESPN Club on the vast expanse of ground in front of the Beach Club.
Those extra magic hours may seem like a great deal, but after experiencing one at Disney Studios, and then seeing the wait for a bus to get in early at Animal Kingdom, we avoided them. That worked out very well. Our strategy was to be early, and it paid off well. We did everything we wanted to do and more, to the point we took a day off from the parks.
Give serious thought to the water parks. We spend a half-day at Blizzard Beach and had a great time. We got there at 8, rode all the best slides 2-3 times, and left at noon when the wait for those same rides was now 30 minutes and longer.
Actually heard a woman tell her tearful 3-4-year-old daughter, “You can’t be having a bad time, we didn’t bring you all this way and spend all this money for you to be crying.” Think about that.
Disney’s PhotoPass was well worth it. We flagged down a photographer in every park, then got home and chose the ones we wanted to send to friends. Yes, we even bought one, but price was worth it considering 99 percent of our photos (we took more than 500) were of son or landscape. Dad was hardly ever seen.


AND NOW FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL PROBABLY GET US FLAMED: Strollers and scooters. Why does it have to be strollers and scooters?
There are reasons to take little kids to Disney World, but they are not usually good reasons. Maybe they have older siblings who are a better age to spend so much time at a theme park and, well, you feel it’s just not far to them that little Suzy is just 2. But we saw so many parents who had 2 or 3 kids, the oldest not more than 4 or 5. Most were in the 2-3-year-old area, sacked out by 2 p.m. or so. If a child is so young that they can’t stay awake an entire day, or can’t walk around on their own for more than 20 minutes, what are they doing at Disney World? What can they possibly be getting out of such a fantastic park that could not wait another 2 or 3 years, when they will be able to enjoy and appreciate such a marvel to the child in all of us? I suspect because the parents are the ones who really want to be here, using the kids as an excuse. And so every theme park is choked with strollers, leaving the rest of us with age-appropriate kids to dodge and hurtle and weave among the army of strollers. If you are wasting half the day in line for Dumbo or for character meet-and-greets, your kids are probably spending most of the day in a double-wide stroller tank just so you can switch off with a spouse at Test Track or Tower of Terror. Wait a few years. Disney World will still be there. Save up and do it really nice.
Having attended amusement parks more than 40 years now, can’t remember a time seeing so many people in those motorized scooters, which are like wheelchairs only with handlebars, electric motors and beeping sounds for when they back up. And most of the people riding scooters were morbidly obese. Now, we want to remain sensitive to those with genetic conditions, but when exactly did being way too fat qualify as a disability? The scooter people drove like maniacs, expecting people to get out of their way as they approached (and people did, no one wants to get hit by a fat guy on a scooter). We also saw many scooter people waiting at the front of the line in the area for (legitimately) disabled folks. When their turn came, they rose from their scooters and walked just fine without need of walker or even a cane, easing themselves into the seat. When the ride was over they plopped themselves back into their scooters and were off, while the rest of us waited like able-bodied suckers.
Let the flaming attacks commence, assuming anyone got this far in the trip report.
 
I am very glad you enjoyed your vacation.

Since you are giving so much advice, though, here's a bit for you. You may not want to assume that you understand what's best for everyone. I also enjoyed my expectation exceeding, value-staying, happily bus riding vacation with my two Dumbo-loving (though not stroller bound) children. Isn't it lovely that there's so much variety in the world?

Still, I thank you for your interesting report. It sounds like you and your son had a pleasant vacation!
 
I just wanted to say your report was very well written and full of good tips, I am staying at a value hotel in September and do not think it will be THAT bad as going in the HOT HOT POPULAR summer.


Your report gave me some good belly laughs, most memorable was the rope drop at AK, I was laughing out loud!


I do agree about the strollers and scooters in the way but you know there are some folks that REALLY do need them, the ones in the scooters you were talking about I know well. I work in a pharmacy and they scoot on up to the window for all thier diabetic supplies that they would not need if they lost the weight, usually the whole family is in a scooter. Mom and Dad, the kids will need one later trust me!

Epcot sounds like a cool place and we plan to spend quite a bit of time there, our first night we have ADR'S there because it is EMH hours at MGM. Wherever EMH hours are we are going to the OTHER parks!


Thanks for the GREAT trip report!

~Donna :thumbsup2
 
Wow! Yours was the first trip report I actually enjoyed reading!!

None of that "play-by-play" crap in some of these long-winded reports - I only wish all of them were like yours!

It's refreshing to finally read someone's honest, candid opinion, done with humor - and so easy to read!

Thanks for not making it one big run-on paragraph! (don't you love those??!!)
 

Interesting report. I loved your descriptions of the rides and the way you rated them. Glad you enjoyed the Beach Club - it is a great resort.

That being said.... popcorn:: I think I'll give this thread 5 pages...Any other guesses?
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I have to congratulate you on such a well written, and honest report on Disney World. I've been going to Disney since I was 6 years old and it remains my favorite vacation spot 16 years later, but thats not to say I don't agree with the same aggrivations as you endured. Your report was hysterical and brought me back to reality during my planning of a trip only 10 days away. Although a tip for you in case perhaps you do decide to venture all the way back to Disney World (I know its a long trip I live in AZ too) try going in Jan- May months, while kids are in school, its cooler, and cheaper to stay at the better resorts..thats when my family and I usually go and its a far better experience then our upcoming first time summer trip seems to be. Thanks again for the honesty and laughs! :rotfl2:
 
:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: Loved your report! I agreed with everything you wrote about and realized thru your honesty you weren't bashing anyone - parents w/small children, strollermaniacs and the scooter craze. I also felt when we went on our only trip in 1997 that the World seems to be enjoyed more by the adults than the little ones (mostly when I see crying children, tired sleepy little ones being dragged thru the parks when clearly it was time for a rest). I left my youngest 2 home then (they were ages 3 and 7) but then when I'd see the smile of a little one upon seeing Mickey for the first time, I'd wonder if I shouldn't have brought them along.

Loved the way you described everything - so easy to read, no play-by-play moments of your family (altho I have to admit I'm a sucker for the reports that give detailed description - I just don't enjoy the ones that go into TOO much detail).

Thanks for sharing!
 
thanks so much for your well written report......I too am an inbetween the hotel medium.....I loved Dolphin...spending at least five visits there. But dear hubby likes Port Orleans French Quarter. But then again our neighbors introduced us to Value Movies......and yes we loved that too......each has its own best features. Movies actually had the best food court of all the resorts....Dolphin had the best pool, French Quarter had the best bus system......so thank goodness we all love different things....or else we would never get in.....
You are a great reporter and I thank you for taking the time to tell us about your trip......
 
Well I for one won't flame you at all. I loved your report, and I agreed with a lot of what you said.

I thought the same thing about Animal Kingdom and the narrow walkways. Thought the Safari was a complete waste of time. We loved the Rafiki Conservation Station, but I work in Veterinary Medicine, so we are a bit animal obsessed in my house.

And I did notice many strollers and scooters on our May trip. My only thought was "how much fun can these folks really be having?" I guess everyone has their own idea of fun.

I'm glad you had a great time, and thanks again for your different take on a trip report. I appreciated it :)
 
toothboy2k1 said:
Having attended amusement parks more than 40 years now, can’t remember a time seeing so many people in those motorized scooters, which are like wheelchairs only with handlebars, electric motors and beeping sounds for when they back up. And most of the people riding scooters were morbidly obese. Now, we want to remain sensitive to those with genetic conditions, but when exactly did being way too fat qualify as a disability? The scooter people drove like maniacs, expecting people to get out of their way as they approached (and people did, no one wants to get hit by a fat guy on a scooter). We also saw many scooter people waiting at the front of the line in the area for (legitimately) disabled folks. When their turn came, they rose from their scooters and walked just fine without need of walker or even a cane, easing themselves into the seat. When the ride was over they plopped themselves back into their scooters and were off, while the rest of us waited like able-bodied suckers.
Let the flaming attacks commence, assuming anyone got this far in the trip report.


I will be one of those people in a motorized scooter visiting Disney this summer. I am young and normally able bodied, however due to a recent car accident I can not walk long distances! Since my trip was already paid for I cannot disappoint my son or nephew by canceling. So, I will be scooting :moped: around Disney HAPPILY!

Try not to judge all scooter bound people.

Have a nice evening.
 
Thanks for your report --- I enjoyed the format and your take on how to best enjoy the world, including your fave attractions. I especially like the comparison to Disneyland -- I've never been there so my curiousity is piqued.

What can they possibly be getting out of such a fantastic park that could not wait another 2 or 3 years, when they will be able to enjoy and appreciate such a marvel to the child in all of us? I suspect because the parents are the ones who really want to be here, using the kids as an excuse.
It's great that you waited to enjoy the World with your 11 yr old, and I'm psyched for you that you both had a good time. :thumbsup2 My 5, 4 and 2 yr olds all brought home priceless memories. They do remember. Because I am writing a (very) longwinded trip report to keep it fresh for them. :rotfl2: Try not to let the strollers get you down -- at least you're free to nimbly dodge them and not have to take breaks every 5 minutes for diaper changes!

Anyway, IMHO if it's a "once in a lifetime" trip, I'd wait till the kids are a little older. If you think you'll be semi-regular visitors, it's never too early!


Actually heard a woman tell her tearful 3-4-year-old daughter, “You can’t be having a bad time, we didn’t bring you all this way and spend all this money for you to be crying.” Think about that.
This is just wrong. Yet we do hear it on every trip, at least once. It's a shame.


And, one VERY important question. Didn't you ride Soarin'? Didn't it factor AT ALL into your ratings? OMG! It's so fun.
 
suzimar57 said:
Wow! Yours was the first trip report I actually enjoyed reading!!

None of that "play-by-play" crap in some of these long-winded reports - I only wish all of them were like yours!

It's refreshing to finally read someone's honest, candid opinion, done with humor - and so easy to read!

Thanks for not making it one big run-on paragraph! (don't you love those??!!)
Sorry. I have to disagree with you on this. Everyone has their own writing styles and I don't think that anyone has the right to judge.

Might I suggest you do what I do? (If I may be so foolish?)

I read the 1st paragraph and if I don't like it I move on.

(I'm just sayin.)
 
toothboy2k1 said:
Having read so many trip reports in anticipation of my own journey to the world of Disney, I hope you don’t mind if I diverge from the blow-by-blow first-person accounts that seem to be so popular. Quite frankly I can't see how anyone would be interested in what my 11-year-old son and I did from the moment we touched down at the Orlando International Airport – we walked quickly to the tram hoping to beat the dozens of Disney-bound travelers who shared our flight, a mentality that apparently dominates so many people venturing to the land where time is marked not by watches, but by the magical numbers on the Stand-By Entrance lines – to the second we boarded the eerily quiet motorcoach back to the airport eight days later, a ride unencumbered with the smiles and peppy introduction video who watched on the way in.


Instead I will break this trip report into the essentials, peppering a few facts in with many opinions of what I considered to be the essentials. No doubt I will offend many of the Disneyphiles who populate this site (you’ll see), but I hope it will inform and even entertain all, even those who strongly disagree.
So let us begin at the beginning of our June 21-28 trip, and that would be:


THE MAGICAL EXPRESS: You know what would be more magical? Signs pointing the way, the ones promised in the literature sent to us three weeks prior to departure. We saw the baggage claim signs, and followed those instead. Fortunately we had familiarized ourselves with the map and knew where we generally had to be. And that is when we discovered our very first Disney line. No, we couldn’t board the bus right away, the cast member told us. We had to go over to the Magical Express desk across the way where a long line awaited. Not so sure it was as much to check in (getting our voucher stamped) as it was to indoctrinate us in the Way of the Line. Ah, the magic of it all. Though it was a pleasant trip and our bags arrived as promised.


PLAY NICE: Let’s say Disney was actually unprepared, service-wise, for the arrival of the Magical Express at, for purposes of argument, the Beach Club Resort. Let’s say there were 15 people in line at the check-in desk, and only one clerk checking people in. And let’s say that, even though there wasn’t a sign, it turned out the Stand-By Entrance time was 25 minutes. To check in. To a hotel allegedly expecting you. But when you are second in line, three cast members suddenly arrive at the desk, and thus you are called to the desk by a woman who may or may not have just started her shift. Do you whine and complain? Of course not. You will do enough of that with your spouse and children later. No, you talk about how good you feel to be here, sharing some laughs. Then perhaps you too will be magically upgraded to a water view room that is just steps from the main lobby, a location that would pay dividends throughout the stay. Great view, short walk to Epcot (7 minutes from room to entrance), a huge boon each and every day. And speaking of that:


LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION: Though we will likely never return to Disney World (very far away from home in Arizona, too many places to see and things to do elsewhere on the planet), if we were to return, we would assuredly book an Epcot area resort. Rooms were nice at the Beach Club, great view of the Boardwalk (which, by the way, was nowhere near as lively as Disney literature suggested, but still was a pleasant little diversion and nice to have near if you keep it in perspective), but best of all was ability to walk to Epcot and Disney Studios (we will dispense with the abbreviations used by so many insiders who assume all are as learned in all things Disney). Epcot was minutes away, the studios about a 15-to-20-minute pleasant walk. Or you could take one of the fleet of Friendships plying the lake and canals, though walking to Epcot was much faster, and only once did the boat beat us to Disney Studios. The fact that two parks were so close spared us much aggravation, for two reasons, those being CROWDS and the Disney version of MASS TRANSIT.


CROWDS: Busy busy busy. We are Disneyland veterans and are accustomed to the masses, but we learned our lessons very quickly. We got to the parks early (at least 45 minutes before opening), ate lunch early (by 11:30 a.m.), had dinner early on nights we did not have reservations (by 5 p.m.), and took a break from parks by 1 or 2 p.m. Later we would return to one of the parks close by so as not to trapped by the Disney version of


MASS TRANSIT: Sure, you could use the monorail to get around, and we did a few times in mid-afternoon. But most people take the bus. And they jam onto them at park opening and closing as if learning the fine art of packing them like sardines from subway riders in Tokyo. Off-hours travel was fine (10 a.m.-4 p.m., roughly). But if you were unfortunate enough to be caught in rush hour, well, let’s just say this was the most unpopular ride at the parks (other than Stitch’s Great Escape, but more on that later). On the morning that Animal Kingdom had early admission, we watched (from the safety of the Magic Kingdom bus lane at the Beach Club) as people crowded onto the bus. At one point the driver was forced to come out and ask people to wait for the next one, which was just five minutes away. Still, a family of five with stroller squeezed on as the driver watched. And upon leaving the studios at 8 o’clock one evening, there were about 200 people waiting to board the bus to the All-Star Resort. Thank goodness we were walking back. And speaking of the All Star Resort:


DON’T CHEAP IT OUT: We understand there are many people who really can’t afford to visit Disney World at the better hotels, and will happily accept the budget hotels thinking they are a bargain. Those who do will pay for it with time and aggravation. You will ride the bus everywhere, you will stay far longer at the parks than your children can tolerate because you really don’t want to spend 45 minutes to an hour on a crowded bus to get back to your unenviable location, you and your family will grow weary very quickly, and when you finally leave the Happiest Place on Earth, you will wonder why all your incredibly high expectations weren’t met (yet convincing yourself it was the “Best vacation ever!” for no other reason than you went to Disney World, because to think anything less would be blasphemous and cause you to question all the money and time you put into the thing). Yes, Disney World is expensive even at the budget hotels. Yes, you can have a great time staying at them if your temperament is such that you have a very high threshold of waits, lines and crowds. But if you save another year or two (as we did), it will most certainly pay off in the best vacation ever. Speaking of money, let’s address:


THE DINING PLAN: Disney does many things right, and this is one of them. We wish the real world would let us buy a plan in which all we need to do is present our card to the server to pay for appetizer, entrée, dessert, tax and gratuity (do not underestimate the value of the inclusion of gratuity, it’s huge). We ate far better than we would have otherwise, ordering steak, ribs and seafood without thought to price. In fact, the more expensive the better because it was already paid for. The more you spend, the more you save. Awesome and highly recommended. Just make sure you plan accordingly. Make those reservations. We saw dozens of people turned away from Sci-Fi Dine Inn at Disney Studios because it was not taking walkups. Yet we waited no more than 15 minutes for our table and had a wonderful time. Food was so-so, but experience was priceless (probably a MasterCard commercial in there somewhere, too bad Disney works with Visa). And about food quality:


THOUGHTS FROM A NON-CRITIC ON FOOD: The fast-food joints were pretty much all the same, offering decent fare at inflated prices (remember the Dining Plan, folks). As far as sit-down restaurants go, high marks to the Yachtsman Steakhouse (Yacht Club Resort) and the Rose and Crown (England in Epcot). The Rose also served beer in half-yards, a nice touch even if the half-yard was plastic (though you get to keep it). We will stay far away from the brewpub on the Boardwalk (Big River Canyon Grille or somesuch). Had reservations at 6 p.m. and yet waited 40 minutes for a table as well as a meal that featured a very tough ribeye (how do you mess up a medium-rare ribeye?) and, even worse, a mediocre pale ale (the red ale was very good). The rest pretty much blends together.


WEATHER: If you are afraid of a little water, by all means buy a poncho. Almost everyone was wearing them shortly after the afternoon thunderstorms started. You will not look silly. However, we are of the mind that friends don’t let friends wear ponchos. Yes, we got wet, at times soaked. But you know what? At some point we dried out and, unlike the Wicked Witch of the West, didn’t melt. Go figure. Do not let the rain stop you from enjoying the parks. Well, except for Test Track at Epcot, which shut down during thunderstorms and was offline for hours at a time. Let the weak and the families with small children huddle in alcoves. Take advantage of the rain and enjoy the one time you can walk around and not be jostled stroller-pushing moms and dads more concerned with the park maps they are studying than the traffic ahead. Speaking of parks, let’s take them one at a time.


ANIMAL KINGDOM: The most unfortunate thing about Disney World is the way it stashed its best ride in the worst, most difficult to navigate park. OK, so Imagineers wanted to boost attendance at Disney World’s weak sister of a theme park. While investing millions in Expedition Everest (worth every cent, by the way), why didn’t someone at some point say, “Hey, let’s spend a few thousand bucks here and there to widen the walkways.” Everyone who arrives before Animal Kingdom opens is here for one reason, to ride the best attraction in the World (we will rank rides later). After a superfluous opening show with Minnie and Mickey, guests are led by two cast members holding a rope between them. These cast members walk very slowly. The people behind them want to take off as if chased by the bull of Pamplona. And at those rare times the walkway widens to accommodate more than 10 people across, anyone who does not mind sacrificing civility and decent human behavior to save a few minutes (that was almost everyone) sprints up the sides to cut into line a little farther up. Yet no one crosses the rope, which gave us this idea. Have cast members with ropes man the northern and southern US borders. Illegal immigration would come to a stunning halt. “Sorry, we’re not opening for another 10 or 15 years.” “Oh, OK, sorry, we’ll try back then.” “That would be great, have a wonderful Disney day.” Best ride: Yup, Everest. By far. Amazing. You really have to ride it. Get there early, then as you wait 45 minutes for the first ride, get a FastPass because they will be gone by noon. If you ride it twice, it was a successful day. Runner-up: Dinosaur. Darn fun. You can ride it 3-4 times before the Expedition Everest people find it later. Worthless: That train to Rafiki’s conservation station or whatever. You do not want to get stuck on that thing. Overrated ride: Kilamanjaro Safari. You ride a truck through the zoo. You may or may not see tigers and lions. You will see giraffes and antelope. Throw in some ridiculous story line about chasing a poacher (not even the littlest kids buy this ride as an action adventure) and you have an experience hardly worth the 40-minute wait in a queue that is wider than most walkways and, as a result, very slow moving.


DISNEY-MGM STUDIOS: As this is written, there is a report that a young boy died on Rockin Rollercoaster. Very sad. The first three seconds of that ride was far more intense (in our opinion) than anything in Mission: Space. It took our breath away, and in the resulting photo flashed as the coaster went from 0 to 60 in those 3 seconds, our eyes are closed and mouths open in a very embarrassing way. We did not buy the photo and did not go on a second ride. Still, it was an incredible ride. Make up your own mind. The studios are pretty small and can get packed early, but early in the morning and 30 minutes before closing, you can pretty much have your way. Best ride: Tower of Terror. Far better than the one at Disneyland. Wait was just 10 minutes at 9:30 p.m., when it had been up to 50 minutes most of the day. Runner-up: The stunt car show. Noisy, brash, and some very cool stunts. And you get to sit and relax for a while. Worthless: The Backlot Tour. Anyone who has been on the tour at Universal Studios-Hollywood will think Disney’s 20-minute version to be dismal. Overrated ride: That’d be the tour again. Go see Muppetvision 3D instead. Really.


EPCOT: By far our favorite, perhaps because it was 7 minutes away. Visited there almost every day. Lots of space to roam around, particularly in the World Showcase. At 9 p.m. each night, the blasts from the Illumination fireworks show boomed across the entire Epcot area and could easily be heard at Disney Studios. It’s more relaxed than other parks. Nothing beats sitting along the lake at the Rose and Crown Pub sipping a half-yard of Bass or Harp while you laugh at all the parents of kids far too young to appreciate, or even remember, all that Disney World has to offer. Best ride: Test Track. Hitting 65mph on the home stretch is a blast. Hold onto your hat. Runner-up: (Adult version) Riding a stool at the Rose and Crown. (Kid version). Doing the orange (spinning) side of Mission: Space. Worthless: The Journey into Imagination with Figment is the weakest attraction, but still not all that bad. Overrated ride: Not so much the ride itself, but the hype that you will get sick or die on Mission: Space. The green (non-spinning) side is fine for little kids and those prone to motion sickness, but don’t let Disney psyche you out with all the warnings about the orange side. We get seasick easily, but had no trouble with Space, and even rode it 5 times.


MAGIC KINGDOM: Second-best park at Disney World, but we’ve been to Disneyland about 50 times or so. The World versions of these rides are better: Peter Pan, Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Thunder Mountain. The Disneyland versions of these rides (and attraction) are better: Toontown, Jungle Boat, Astro Blasters, Space Mountain (way way way better), and, due to default, Matterhorn and Indiana Jones. Disneyland overall is better than Magic Kingdom, but there is more to the World than Magic Kingdom. Best ride: Splash Mountain. Nice balance between looks and thrills. Worthless: Stitch's Great Escape. We have no idea how this attraction was when it was about aliens, but the PeopleMover was thrilling and chilling compared to this waste of 15 minutes we'll never get back. We won't give the ride away, but imagine how "scary" it is to have someone tap you on the shoulder and whisper in your ear. That is the gist of this pathetic diversion. And we'll never get how Stitch became so popular in the first place. Overrated: Space Mountain. And that ride is way overrated, the most overrated ride in the whole World. The Disneyland version eats its launch.


TOP 5 RIDES OF DISNEY WORLD: 5. Dinosaur. 4. Mission: Space. 3. Test Track. 2. Tower of Terror. 1. Expedition Everest.


RANDOM THOUGHTS:
If you are cheaping it by staying at a budget hotel, do yourself a huge favor and rent a car. You will get everywhere much faster and save yourself a lot of headaches.
Disney service still rules. We were always greeted with a smile, everyone was so pleasant. Eerie.
Plan, but don’t overplan. Dinner reservations are a must, as well as knowing where you want to go each day. But we took time to do spontaneous things like play miniature golf or ride a rental bike around the Boardwalk. We even rented a small “speed”boat to cruise around the waterways between Boardwalk and Disney Studios. Favorite memory: Playing catch with a mini leather football purchased at the ESPN Club on the vast expanse of ground in front of the Beach Club.
Those extra magic hours may seem like a great deal, but after experiencing one at Disney Studios, and then seeing the wait for a bus to get in early at Animal Kingdom, we avoided them. That worked out very well. Our strategy was to be early, and it paid off well. We did everything we wanted to do and more, to the point we took a day off from the parks.
Give serious thought to the water parks. We spend a half-day at Blizzard Beach and had a great time. We got there at 8, rode all the best slides 2-3 times, and left at noon when the wait for those same rides was now 30 minutes and longer.
Actually heard a woman tell her tearful 3-4-year-old daughter, “You can’t be having a bad time, we didn’t bring you all this way and spend all this money for you to be crying.” Think about that.
Disney’s PhotoPass was well worth it. We flagged down a photographer in every park, then got home and chose the ones we wanted to send to friends. Yes, we even bought one, but price was worth it considering 99 percent of our photos (we took more than 500) were of son or landscape. Dad was hardly ever seen.


AND NOW FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL PROBABLY GET US FLAMED: Strollers and scooters. Why does it have to be strollers and scooters?
There are reasons to take little kids to Disney World, but they are not usually good reasons. Maybe they have older siblings who are a better age to spend so much time at a theme park and, well, you feel it’s just not far to them that little Suzy is just 2. But we saw so many parents who had 2 or 3 kids, the oldest not more than 4 or 5. Most were in the 2-3-year-old area, sacked out by 2 p.m. or so. If a child is so young that they can’t stay awake an entire day, or can’t walk around on their own for more than 20 minutes, what are they doing at Disney World? What can they possibly be getting out of such a fantastic park that could not wait another 2 or 3 years, when they will be able to enjoy and appreciate such a marvel to the child in all of us? I suspect because the parents are the ones who really want to be here, using the kids as an excuse. And so every theme park is choked with strollers, leaving the rest of us with age-appropriate kids to dodge and hurtle and weave among the army of strollers. If you are wasting half the day in line for Dumbo or for character meet-and-greets, your kids are probably spending most of the day in a double-wide stroller tank just so you can switch off with a spouse at Test Track or Tower of Terror. Wait a few years. Disney World will still be there. Save up and do it really nice.
Having attended amusement parks more than 40 years now, can’t remember a time seeing so many people in those motorized scooters, which are like wheelchairs only with handlebars, electric motors and beeping sounds for when they back up. And most of the people riding scooters were morbidly obese. Now, we want to remain sensitive to those with genetic conditions, but when exactly did being way too fat qualify as a disability? The scooter people drove like maniacs, expecting people to get out of their way as they approached (and people did, no one wants to get hit by a fat guy on a scooter). We also saw many scooter people waiting at the front of the line in the area for (legitimately) disabled folks. When their turn came, they rose from their scooters and walked just fine without need of walker or even a cane, easing themselves into the seat. When the ride was over they plopped themselves back into their scooters and were off, while the rest of us waited like able-bodied suckers.
Let the flaming attacks commence, assuming anyone got this far in the trip report.

. You have nothing nice to say about the trip itself, (why did you even go) Then you go and bash people who use scooters. If you had an once of brains, you would realize that "normal" people that have heart problems or invisible disabilities have the right to use scooters. Also what gives you the right to judge anyone at all?? I hope you don't one day need to use a scooter/wheelchair and have people judge you.
 
You said you don't think you will go back to Walt Disney World because it is to far from home, and other things to do in the world, yet you have been to Disneyland around 50 times or so? Why? :confused3

I think it sounds like you have a good time. :)

popcorn:: I guess it is a good thing not everyone in the world thinks the same. :goodvibes
 
Hmmm... Okay... Well... Let's see...

I feel compassion for your son. You must have sucked some of the magic right out of his trip with your cynicism and negativity. It sounds like you were annoyed (IMO annoying) from the beginning of your trip.

I could list a very long rebuttal, but quite frankly I don't have the time. I am too busy on the DIS boards finding ways to make our family's upcoming Walt Disney World trip much more enjoyable AND taking care of our three children (ages 11, 5, and 20months).

I do find some things curious though (with your inference to being so widely traveled and claiming to be a Disneyland veteran) have you not encountered many of your same complaints elsewhere? If so, why would you be naive and not expect to find them at WDW? If you have traveled from Arizona to California 50+ times to visit Disneyland, was your 11 year old son not in tow? If so, I would like to assume that you were a responsible parent and provided a stroller.

I noticed that you correlated much of your enjoyment with thrill rides at WDW. It is great that you were able to enjoy (something) umm... those rides. Walt Disney World is much more than an amusement park. If thrill rides are what you seek, I suggest that you visit Alton Towers in England.

BTW, how much fun was your son having while he waited for his parent to guzzle alcohol and gaze at other tourists? Was this trip about you or him?

If you ever visit the south (or WDW) again, try to stay longer than 7 nights and maybe a pinch of our southern charm will rub off onto you. Trust me, you could use it.

Have a magical day!
 
Enjoyed reading your report ~ Thanx for sharing.
 
I wasn’t going to respond, but felt compelled. I hope that no one in your family ever needs to use any type of mobility device. I don’t believe you would be very compassionate. Someday your view might change. It often does when it is personalized.
 












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