Not sure I'm getting why FP+ is "limiting" peoples experience.

[rt2dz]

After reading all the posts I see a repeating trend that all lot of posters who say it's limiting are those who use the old FP system to the max and getting 6 plus FP a day. A common repeating post was 3 is less then 6. Take a look at what was really happening, people who used the old FP getting the fullest amount of FP's were taking away from others who then couldn"t get the FP and then had the choice to wait in the standby line or not go on the ride. What the new lower FP numbers really means is that more people will have the opportunity to get on rides. Yes that will be limiting in a way for some but it will be also be opening up more opportunities for others to get on rides they may not have had in the past.

And I would argue that we all had equal OPPORTUNITY in the first place. If you choose not to use your opportunities to the best of your advantage, that's your choice. There is no choice now. We can't even choose to do the rides we want with tiering in place. There are only 2 rides I've ever needed a FP for--Soarin and TT. We usually would FP each twice. Now, I can only FP one once. How is that not limiting? Someone please explain that to me. Please!

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[AmyB2006]

And I would argue that we all had equal OPPORTUNITY in the first place. If you choose not to use your opportunities to the best of your advantage, that's your choice. There is no choice now. We can't even choose to do the rides we want with tiering in place. There are only 2 rides I've ever needed a FP for--Soarin and TT. We usually would FP each twice. Now, I can only FP one once. How is that not limiting? Someone please explain that to me. Please!

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It is limiting. Is anyone really saying it isn't? It's not as limiting to those who never did those rides before and are now getting to do them at least once, but soon they will see it's limiting them as well I think. I can see how others don't think it's limiting for them, but it definitely is for others.

I was never a legacy FP user that much. I did like the FP+ system before the tiers. I am definitely not a fan now.

 

[sixxmum]

At the risk of repeating myself, which - if you ask my family or students - I don't hesitate to do, it's not just limiting to people who used 10 FP- a day.

I just went back through my touring plan files for all of our visits. There are no more than 3 FP pulls planned on any day. So, if on some days we did one extra it might have been 4.

However, we are offsite guests due to family size. The new system currently means fewer available FP- for offsite guests (or day-of FP+ in AK). So, for offsite guests who use any number of FP, I would say it is limiting.

 

[Robo]

The only people throwing out those numbers--10, 12, 20--are those that are saying only people who are used to getting that many in a day dislike the new system. When, in fact, the majority who are complaining are using numbers under 10.

To wit, in keeping with a minor theme...

"6 is less than 10."

 

[Jennasis]

After reading all the posts I see a repeating trend that all lot of posters who say it's limiting are those who use the old FP system to the max and getting 6 plus FP a day. A common repeating post was 3 is less then 6.
Take a look at what was really happening, people who used the old FP getting the fullest amount of FP's were taking away from others who then couldn"t get the FP and then had the choice to wait in the standby line or not go on the ride. What the new lower FP numbers really means is that more people will have the opportunity to get on rides.
Yes that will be limiting in a way for some but it will be also be opening up more opportunities for others to get on rides they may not have had in the past.

I'm going to be the one to say this out loud and frankly it's going to sound awful...

I don't care about anyone else's vacation but mine. I don't care if someone can't get a FP because they chose to sleep in late or had a late flight. Its not my problem.

My getting TWO top tier attractions and thereby denying some one else a FP would be like me going to a buffet restaurant and being told I can't Have steak AND lobster because someone else MIGHT not have a chance to try it IF they run out.

Selfish? Yep. Its my vacation. The only time of year(every other year actually) I do something nice for myself or even get a day off.

And if somehow everyone felt that way and it meant I missed out on something I wanted to do because none were left (which seems more likely with FP+) then that's my problem and I will work around it. Already formulating new strategies. All this new system did is change the disenfranchised from one group to another.

I'm Darwin, baby. Gonna adapt to survive.

 

[AmyB2006]

I'm going to be the one to say this out loud and frankly it's going to sound awful...

I don't care about anyone else's vacation but mine. I don't care if someone can't get a FP because they chose to sleep in late or had a late flight. Its not my problem.

My getting TWO top tier attractions and thereby denying some one else a FP would be like me going to a buffet restaurant and being told I can't Have steak AND lobster because someone else MIGHT not have a chance to try it IF they run out.

Selfish? Yep. Its my vacation. The only time of year(every other year actually) I do something nice for myself or even get a day off.

And if somehow everyone felt that way and it meant I missed out on something I wanted to do because none were left (which seems more likely with FP+) then that's my problem and I will work around it. Already formulating new strategies. All this new system did is change the disenfranchised from one group to another.

I'm Darwin, baby. Gonna adapt to survive.

AND is always better. It's like those commercials on TV... LOL

And this doesn't sound awful, btw.

 

[Planogirl]

It's odd when I think about it but in some ways we probably had an easier time of it than people who stayed at the Allstars or Pop. We stayed offsite and visited during a quiet week just before the holiday madness started. We managed to get legacy fastpasses for both Soarin' and Test Track with decent return times. In fact we used fastpasses at Test Track twice. The lines were fairly long for both later in the day and I never would have waited for 50-60 minutes to ride Test Track a second time.

Of course, that will change which is part of what bothers me about all of this. If I want to ride Test Track twice I want a shot at being able to do so without a long wait. THAT freedom fits our touring style.

 

[rt2dz]

I completely get how people like FP+. Especially when you are a solo adult or just two adults, it's different for those with families. Especially those with larger families, especially when you have some age gaps leaving you to appease teenagers, Tweens, elementary age and preschoolers. Have a family with some thrill seekers and some mellow and some that do it all. Then throw in some special needs just for kicks. It's not a good system for any of those mixes. I just can't understand why people can't say, "yeah I get those limitations. Maybe I'm the exception, or at least only one segment." I see it being better for 10%, the same but different for 20-30%, and downgrading for everyone else.

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[KatieCharlotte]

The only people throwing out those numbers--10, 12, 20--are those that are saying only people who are used to getting that many in a day dislike the new system. When, in fact, the majority who are complaining are using numbers under 10.

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Exactly. MK is the only park where we have actually used more than three fastpasses on a typical day. We have not used more than seven in one day at MK, and that was with two disconnected FP. We also did not run all over collecting them. Some we collected together and spent the time enjoying other attractions in the area, and some DH collected while the kids and I did something he found boring. Ironically, we were often doing one thing Disney wants to encourage -- discovering new family favorites like the TTA, the talking trashcan, and the Pooh play area -- rather than waiting in line. Sometimes, we were even shopping.

 

[Mad Hattered]

I'm going to be the one to say this out loud and frankly it's going to sound awful...

I don't care about anyone else's vacation but mine. I don't care if someone can't get a FP because they chose to sleep in late or had a late flight. Its not my problem.

My getting TWO top tier attractions and thereby denying some one else a FP would be like me going to a buffet restaurant and being told I can't Have steak AND lobster because someone else MIGHT not have a chance to try it IF they run out.

Selfish? Yep. Its my vacation.

 

[Planogirl]

Exactly. MK is the only park where we have actually used more than three fastpasses on a typical day. We have not used more than seven in one day at MK, and that was with two disconnected FP. We also did not run all over collecting them. Some we collected together and spent the time enjoying other attractions in the area, and some DH collected while the kids and I did something he found boring. Ironically, we were often doing one thing Disney wants to encourage -- discovering new family favorites like the TTA, the talking trashcan, and the Pooh play area -- rather than waiting in line. Sometimes, we were even shopping.

I agree. In our case we might use 4-5 in MK with 6 being rare. We also didn't run around a lot with only Tomorrowland being a pain since we don't like much there.

 

[KevinCG316]

For my family pulling every fast pass possible was good for us and the people around us. I have 4 kids all under the age of 9. My kids do not wait in line like people sit in church. My kids act like kids so getting as many as possible is a big plus for MY family.

We will find out about the new system in Feb. If you hear the threat while standing in line, you wont go see Mickey if you dont stop, could be me talking to my kids

 

[black562]

I go between the end of August, into September and I'm lucky if I end up using more than two or three for the entire trip....and we're talking 8-9 days.

 

[bcrook]

The only people throwing out those numbers--10, 12, 20--are those that are saying only people who are used to getting that many in a day dislike the new system. When, in fact, the majority who are complaining are using numbers under 10.

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How about this...

FP RnRC
FP ToT
FP RnRC
FP Tot


That is what my teens like to do. That doesn't seem excessive for a full day at DHS. Sounds downright reasonable. But no longer possible.

Actually, I think I would be able to live with the whole system if Disney gave me three FP+ for every day I had a ticket and then let me use them like dining credits. Use them until they are gone wherever I can get one. If I burn all 21 on day one so be it. If I ride splash 12 times so be it.

I know it would never work, and I would end up at universal when I used up all my slots - but it could be fun.

 

[gwmort]

Its an interesting problem to me.

I try to think of it more like a city planner. Disney has tens of thousands of people they are trying to manage on site at any moment and need to make up options that will appease the most people possible while disenfranchising the least.

I believe they had good data showing the majority of guests did not use more than 3 fp's a day. They probably also have data with the number of guests who pulled more than 10, which I assume to be a very small minority.

They probably decided to try to enhance the majority at the risk of disenfranchising the minority (who frankly are pretty hardcore in the first place and the most likely to find a way to work it to their advantage anyway and the most difficult to disenfranchise).

I also am thinking about this 10 years down the line when the kinks are all worked out and Disney gets a steady stream of good data from all of their guests whom they are able to manage and direct seamlessly.

I'll bet they would prefer to be able to dole out fastpasses instead of having them taken. Suppose a Dsiney exec says "we should make some fp available for people entering after 1:00". Under the current system that is practically impossible to hold back supply. Suppose they are all gone, and you want to release some more, what would the return times be, etc... With the digital system I predict they will also keep some reserve capacity and can dole them out to people through the day without needing to update return time boards or cause a disruption with special passes or guest relations slips, and still manage when they get used (as opposed to anytime fp's).

I like the system. It matches our touring style well. I get some people don't like it and some will get disenfranchised. Overall (and over all the disney going population) I expect it to be a value add.

 

[AmyB2006]

How about this...

FP RnRC
FP ToT
FP RnRC
FP Tot


That is what my teens like to do. That doesn't seem excessive for a full day at DHS. Sounds downright reasonable. But no longer possible.

Actually, I think I would be able to live with the whole system if Disney gave me three FP+ for every day I had a ticket and then let me use them like dining credits. Use them until they are gone wherever I can get one. If I burn all 21 on day one so be it. If I ride splash 12 times so be it.

I know it would never work, and I would end up at universal when I used up all my slots - but it could be fun.

I actually love that idea!!!

 

[Mad Hattered]

How about this...

FP RnRC
FP ToT
FP RnRC
FP Tot


That is what my teens like to do. That doesn't seem excessive for a full day at DHS. Sounds downright reasonable. But no longer possible.

Actually, I think I would be able to live with the whole system if Disney gave me three FP+ for every day I had a ticket and then let me use them like dining credits. Use them until they are gone wherever I can get one. If I burn all 21 on day one so be it. If I ride splash 12 times so be it.

I know it would never work, and I would end up at universal when I used up all my slots - but it could be fun.

What's Disney's new promotion they are doing this year? Show Disney Your Backside...or something like that?

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[mom2rtk]

I go between the end of August, into September and I'm lucky if I end up using more than two or three for the entire trip....and we're talking 8-9 days.

The beginning of September is one of the slowest weeks of the year, so I'm not surprised. If I could stomach the heat, I'd go then myself.

 

[bcrook]

I go between the end of August, into September and I'm lucky if I end up using more than two or three for the entire trip....and we're talking 8-9 days.

In this case those daily three FP+ are truly pluses. You can burn them in front of the dining options when that is available or schedule a prime spot for wishes.

And I don't see how the FP+ perk will help to fill hotel rooms in late August and September. If fastpasses aren't needed, then they won't be a perk. That could be a good thing for those who look forward to free dining.

 

[rt2dz]

How about this...

FP RnRC
FP ToT
FP RnRC
FP Tot


That is what my teens like to do. That doesn't seem excessive for a full day at DHS. Sounds downright reasonable.

Actually, I think I would be able to live with the whole system if Disney gave me three FP+ for every day I had a ticket and then let me use them like dining credits. Use them until they are gone wherever I can get one. If I burn all 21 on day one so be it. If I ride splash 12 times so be it.

I know it would never work, and I would end up at universal when I used up all my slots - but it could be fun.

Actually, I do think Disney should give 5 FP+ for every night you are booked onsite, allowing immediate access (no time slots). Doesn't anyone remember if you took the DVC tour, they gave you a little card that would give you 5 immediate access FPs over the course of 3 days? People could use them exactly like dining credits however they wanted. Offsite guests could then book virtual FPs, up to 3-5 a day after entering a park from a slotted pool, allowing them to hop as desired.