Not sure I'm getting why FP+ is "limiting" peoples experience.

[AmyB2006]

Actually, I do think Disney should give 5 FP+ for every night you are booked onsite, allowing immediate access (no time slots). Doesn't anyone remember if you took the DVC tour, they gave you a little card that would give you 5 immediate access FPs over the course of 3 days? People could use them exactly like dining credits however they wanted. Offsite guests could then book virtual FPs, up to 3-5 a day after entering a park from a slotted pool, allowing them to hop as desired.

FP lines would be longer, at certain times of the day, I think if this were the case, no? They have to be scheduled and spread out otherwise they could be bunched up. Say you have 100 people show up at 1:00 with an instant FP and then at 3:00 only 10 people show up. Sure the standby line would move faster then, but the whole point of the FP is to shorten your wait time. But I like where your head's at.

 

[black562]

The beginning of September is one of the slowest weeks of the year, so I'm not surprised. If I could stomach the heat, I'd go then myself.

Which is exactly why I go then...low crowds and great deals.

In this case those daily three FP+ are truly pluses. You can burn them in front of the dining options when that is available or schedule a prime spot for wishes.

And I don't see how the FP+ perk will help to fill hotel rooms in late August and September. If fastpasses aren't needed, then they won't be a perk. That could be a good thing for those who look forward to free dining.

That's probably how I'll use them on the next trip. I'll definitely book in a couple of lunches at BOG, and probably grab a TSM, Soarin, and Splash Mountain. Aside from those, I'm usually golden on riding what I want with little or no wait.

And they won't be a selling point for that time of year, which is exactly why they always sweeten the pot when it comes to discounts. That time period has always been quite slow for them. I love it for no crowds, and the heat doesn't bother me too bad...I can always duck into a shop to cool down.

 

[Mkrop]

What was stopping everyone else from getting more fastpasses?

Nothing

Uh-uh, sorry. Everyone had the same opportunity, not my problem if others chose not to learn nor take advantage of it.

I'm going to be the one to say this out loud and frankly it's going to sound awful...

I don't care about anyone else's vacation but mine. I don't care if someone can't get a FP because they chose to sleep in late or had a late flight. Its not my problem.

My getting TWO top tier attractions and thereby denying some one else a FP would be like me going to a buffet restaurant and being told I can't Have steak AND lobster because someone else MIGHT not have a chance to try it IF they run out.

Selfish? Yep. Its my vacation. The only time of year(every other year actually) I do something nice for myself or even get a day off.

And if somehow everyone felt that way and it meant I missed out on something I wanted to do because none were left (which seems more likely with FP+) then that's my problem and I will work around it. Already formulating new strategies. All this new system did is change the disenfranchised from one group to another.

I'm Darwin, baby. Gonna adapt to survive.

I am so sick of all the unfair and it lets more people ride that didnt before, hogwash. It allows the people who have the ability to plan to get the FPs or be online at the 60 day mark (or whatever it will be). If a person cant do that then it is not fair to them now is it.

It just changes the push to get the FP first from day of to the 60 day mark. Let's say on the 60 day mark I cant get online bc I have a early morning meeting and by the time I do get on, all the TSMM FPs are gone, is that "fair" to me. It is not any different if I cant get to HS at RD and by the time I get there all the FPs are gone. But to some the second way is unfair but the first way is not...I dont get that.

 

[Bullseye]

I'm going to be the one to say this out loud and frankly it's going to sound awful...

I don't care about anyone else's vacation but mine. I don't care if someone can't get a FP because they chose to sleep in late or had a late flight. Its not my problem.

My getting TWO top tier attractions and thereby denying some one else a FP would be like me going to a buffet restaurant and being told I can't Have steak AND lobster because someone else MIGHT not have a chance to try it IF they run out.

Selfish? Yep. Its my vacation. The only time of year(every other year actually) I do something nice for myself or even get a day off.

And if somehow everyone felt that way and it meant I missed out on something I wanted to do because none were left (which seems more likely with FP+) then that's my problem and I will work around it. Already formulating new strategies. All this new system did is change the disenfranchised from one group to another.

I'm Darwin, baby. Gonna adapt to survive.

Don't you mean it wasn't your problem before . Now, it's more of Jeremy Bentham "World" ....greatest happiness for the greatest number.

 

[Caribbeanprincess]

Well, I don't usually complain when they change things because change needs to happen but, the issue with FP+ really annoyed me during our trip two weeks ago. I honestly had no prior knowledge that we could only do 3 FP experiences per-day with the new FP+, I thought it would be like last year when we did the FP+ testing and we would get 2 or 3 pre-selected experiences and then continue using the normal FP service in the parks. So I was heartbroken when I found out from a Cast Member while trying to get a paper FP for Splash Moutain. I found it very unfair that I was staying at the resort and my FPs were limited while non-resorts guests could get as many as they could. It was lucky for us that we went to MK 3 times and got to do all the FP-needing rides, even then I didn't have the time to ride Splash Mountain, one of my favorite rides. Not to mention how disappointing it was that we couldn't ride Soarin', our favorite ride at Epcot, twice, like we do every year. I just hope Disney manages to find a way to balance the FP system because right now it's just not working that well.

 

[morethananyonex]

Actually, I do think Disney should give 5 FP+ for every night you are booked onsite, allowing immediate access (no time slots). Doesn't anyone remember if you took the DVC tour, they gave you a little card that would give you 5 immediate access FPs over the course of 3 days? People could use them exactly like dining credits however they wanted. Offsite guests could then book virtual FPs, up to 3-5 a day after entering a park from a slotted pool, allowing them to hop as desired.

I would personally love this, I just don't see it happening. It completely goes against what Disney has stated their objective for FP+ is. They want more people scheduled and less likely to venture off property. If there's one part of FP+ I don't think is going to change, I think it's the prebooking. I also think because of their stated goals offsite guests will eventually be allowed to prebook too.

Once this is all worked out, I can see there being changes to the park hopping, 3 limit and maybe even the tiers. It all depends how everything looks once the system is fully functioning and any trace of FP- is gone. I just don't anything like the DVC cards coming into play in a big way (although those were pretty awesome).

 

[Mommy2Corinne]

I acknowledge that- what frustrates me is when people act like it is the end of the world because Disney has chosen to change the rules of the game- they've changed how FPs worked in the past (when they stopped allowing you to return after your return times for example) and they will change them again- it will simply require minor alterations to figure out how to play the new game that Disney has given us



We don't have little ones yet (wife is having twins in May though so we will soon) but I understand not wanting to upset her schedule. When we take our twins when they are young we know that we will not be able to tour as optimally as we have in the past either.

Bahahaha! I'm pretty sure the bolded is the understatement of the year, lol. Just you wait...wait until your twins are about 2, and then tell me how much you love standing in a SB line with them (once your FP+ are all used up). Or how great and easy it is to get them up and running at RD so that you can take care of all your business before the "real" crowds arrive. Or how they will be perfectly scheduled to take an afternoon break (perfectly corresponding around your scheduled FP+, of course) and will not fight going down for a nap for several hours after you lug them and all of their gear back to the resort. Me thinks you are in for a rude awakening.

I just love how people without kids like to tell those of us (especially with toddlers) how wonderful and easy FP+ is/will be. Hahaha! I had one lovely gent basically tell me that I was a terrible parent because I didn't think it was a pleasant, worthwhile experience to entertain my 1 and 3 year old in 60+ minute SB lines all day long.

I also love how the FP+ lovers assume that those of us who are not thrilled with FP+ were super users/abusers of FP-. I can assure you, this is not always the case. We preferred not to hit RD (again, those pesky toddlers with their unpredictable schedules after being out of their routines and being "forced" to stay up until 10 PM to see the fireworks...grrrr) but still managed to gather at least 7-10 FP- at MK each day. We did so without running around like crazy people. We didn't ever ride anything 12 times a day. We simply used FP- according to the rules to our advantage. Not sure why this was a bad thing?!?

So yes...being LIMITED to 3 FP+ per day and then being forced to stand in lengthy lines after that is definitely a downgrade for us.

 

[surferdave]

And I don't see how the FP+ perk will help to fill hotel rooms in late August and September. If fastpasses aren't needed, then they won't be a perk.

The less people actually need FP+ the more they love it.

 

[rt2dz]

FP lines would be longer, at certain times of the day, I think if this were the case, no? They have to be scheduled and spread out otherwise they could be bunched up. Say you have 100 people show up at 1:00 with an instant FP and then at 3:00 only 10 people show up. Sure the standby line would move faster then, but the whole point of the FP is to shorten your wait time. But I like where your head's at.

I know if I showed up and there was a long line, I'd move onto something else knowing that whenever the line was shorter, I could immediately jump in. And, it works at Six Flags and Universal and other parks with the front of the line passes. Yes, they have less people, but they are also smaller parks. I highly doubt (but could be wrong) the ratio is all that different. Certain rides (TSMM) could be exempt. It's not a unique concept. Even Disney has a bit of precedent in it. Not only from DVC, but in guest recovery.

 

[AmyB2006]

I also love how the FP+ lovers assume that those of us who are not thrilled with FP+ were super users/abusers of FP-.

Well no more than the supposed "super users" assume people like me are "ignorant" or "uninformed" about how legacy FP works.

I just love how people without kids like to tell those of us (especially with toddlers) how wonderful and easy FP+ is/will be. Hahaha! I had one lovely gent basically tell me that I was a terrible parent because I didn't think it was a pleasant, worthwhile experience to entertain my 1 and 3 year old in 60+ minute SB lines all day long.

Yes, LOL, this is always fun.

 

[AmyB2006]

I know if I showed up and there was a long line, I'd move onto something else knowing that whenever the line was shorter, I could immediately jump in.

Well for me, I would be agitated by this. If I had a FP that was prescheduled, I can show up, get on, ride, and be out within like 20 minutes or less.

If there was a long FP line because of all the instants being used at that hour and I had to come back, I wouldn't be a fan of that.

But I would love the idea of 5 FP+ that I could schedule without limitations.

 

[morethananyonex]

Well for me, I would be agitated by this. If I had a FP that was prescheduled, I can show up, get on, ride, and be out within like 20 minutes or less. If there was a long FP line because of all the instants being used at that hour and I had to come back, I wouldn't be a fan of that. But I would love the idea of 5 FP+ that I could schedule without limitations.

I think if that was the case we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Who wouldn't want that lol.

 

[rt2dz]

Well for me, I would be agitated by this. If I had a FP that was prescheduled, I can show up, get on, ride, and be out within like 20 minutes or less.

If there was a long FP line because of all the instants being used at that hour and I had to come back, I wouldn't be a fan of that.

But I would love the idea of 5 FP+ that I could schedule without limitations.

I would be more upset if I had a prescheduled FP+, showed up and saw a huge wait to get in. Not unlike what was reported Thanksgiving week. I haven't checked for this week, because I will never go this time of year but do have a ressie for Thanksgiving next year. With instant, big deal. I go do the rest of Tomorrowland and then go back to SM in 20-40 minutes.

With different interests, I highly doubt this will happen much though. There may be a few rides (TSMM) that it could be a big problem, but then, that's when Disney would do an exemption. Plus, you'll notice I said "onsite." That makes it an onsite perk. Offsite people would schedule at arrival. I think that is fair--as someone who does stay offsite (we usually alternate onsite with offsite).

 

[btk2333]

Bahahaha! I'm pretty sure the bolded is the understatement of the year, lol. Just you wait...wait until your twins are about 2, and then tell me how much you love standing in a SB line with them (once your FP+ are all used up). Or how great and easy it is to get them up and running at RD so that you can take care of all your business before the "real" crowds arrive. Or how they will be perfectly scheduled to take an afternoon break (perfectly corresponding around your scheduled FP+, of course) and will not fight going down for a nap for several hours after you lug them and all of their gear back to the resort. Me thinks you are in for a rude awakening. I just love how people without kids like to tell those of us (especially with toddlers) how wonderful and easy FP+ is/will be. Hahaha! I had one lovely gent basically tell me that I was a terrible parent because I didn't think it was a pleasant, worthwhile experience to entertain my 1 and 3 year old in 60+ minute SB lines all day long. I also love how the FP+ lovers assume that those of us who are not thrilled with FP+ were super users/abusers of FP-. I can assure you, this is not always the case. We preferred not to hit RD (again, those pesky toddlers with their unpredictable schedules after being out of their routines and being "forced" to stay up until 10 PM to see the fireworks...grrrr) but still managed to gather at least 7-10 FP- at MK each day. We did so without running around like crazy people. We didn't ever ride anything 12 times a day. We simply used FP- according to the rules to our advantage. Not sure why this was a bad thing?!? So yes...being LIMITED to 3 FP+ per day and then being forced to stand in lengthy lines after that is definitely a downgrade for us.

Life goes on - it took us many rounds and years of infertility treatments to get any babies- I would rather stand in line with two screaming infants for an hour than be in the parks childless. We know we are very blessed to be lucky enough to be able to go to Disney world. Even if we spend the entire trip at the resort I'd just be happy to have them there. We will be on their schedule for sure. If we miss a fp+ I'll reschedule it for a later one, if the kids need to nap longer we'll reschedule- the app has been easy to use for us so far. And if we don't get to ride Peter Pan then we'll do it next time.

My parents survived going to wdw with my brother and I as toddlers and some of our best stories are stories of us in standby lines- I don't have any memory of the 7 times I rode space one trip- I do remember singing and dancing with my brother In line for splash mountain. In all honesty our trips became less family oriented once legacy fp started because we just ran from place to place and didn't talk- now that we're older we take our time more and trips are more about friends and family- I'm not advocating a throwback to pre legacy fp but I do enjoy not running for fast passes anymore.

 

[bcrook]

The less people actually need FP+ the more they love it.

Seems like a marketing conundrum.

 

[Nancyg56]

Seriously I'm not even going to try to break down your analysis. Before fp+ if you're doing 12 FP in a day, then you're basically running to get fp and return for fp all day long. How would you even fit in time for TS dining, toilets, shopping, stand by lines, shows, parades, fireworks, meet and greets, travel time back and forth between rides... sounds like a real hoot

Not everyone chooses to enjoy parades, character meets, parades, shopping..... some folks just go for the attractions. Period.I am not one of those folks, but I understand that my way is not the only way.

I'm going to be the one to say this out loud and frankly it's going to sound awful...

I don't care about anyone else's vacation but mine. I don't care if someone can't get a FP because they chose to sleep in late or had a late flight. Its not my problem.

Selfish? Yep. Its my vacation. The only time of year(every other year actually) I do something nice for myself or even get a day off.

And if somehow everyone felt that way and it meant I missed out on something I wanted to do because none were left (which seems more likely with FP+) then that's my problem and I will work around it. Already formulating new strategies. All this new system did is change the disenfranchised from one group to another.

I do not think you are selfish. I think that you are honest. As am I. I save and plan and wait for my vacation, and i know how I want to send that time. I really have no sympathy for hose folks who fly by the seat of their pants and then complain that i got right on a ride. I will figure out a way to make this work for me, but I may not like it. LOL

 

[btk2333]

Double post sorry

 

[mom2rtk]

Seems like a marketing conundrum.

Or a new marketing slogan?

 

[Angel Ariel]

Life goes on - it took us many rounds and years of infertility treatments to get any babies- I would rather stand in line with two screaming infants for an hour than be in the parks childless. We know we are very blessed to be lucky enough to be able to go to Disney world. Even if we spend the entire trip at the resort I'd just be happy to have them there.

Is it really necessary to go there in this conversation? No one here has any idea how difficult or easy it was for anyone else to have children.

 

[mom2rtk]

Is it really necessary to go there in this conversation? No one here has any idea how difficult or easy it was for anyone else to have children.

Yep, absolutely. I could write volumes. My screen name is what it is as a nod to our journey. And I still hate lines.