Not sure I'm getting why FP+ is "limiting" peoples experience.

[morethananyonex]

But if they allow people to use FP+ at more than one park, it defeats the purpose of tiering. Tiering is there because they don't have the ride capacity to support this system. If people can hop around to pick off the headliners, they will still have a shortage for headliner spots. I will say that in all of this mess, I'm really glad that hopping isn't one of our issues. We generally don't buy hoppers and just plan complete days in a given park. But I can totally see how frustrating this would be to someone used to hopping. Everyone says "do rope drop at one park and schedule FP+ at your later park". Which is all fine. Except that before you could do rope drop, do some FP at that park when it got busy, then ALSO do FP at your later park. You could do rope drop at Epcot, grab a FP on TT, ride TT, run over and do Soarin, then go back and use your TT FP. And it's still early. You could to a few more things, then go over to MK and start pulling FPs for the remainder of the day. It's clearly a huge takeaway. It's ride rationing. Disney is hoping everyone will adjust their expectations downward. I suppose some will. I doubt we will ever be happy with this.

Booking FP+ at the 2nd park is really nice in theory, but it doesn't always work. Once again, perfect storm for us. We do ADRS between 5 and 6 PM, DS has a nap for about 1.5 hours in the afternoon (which I'm anticipating will be longer due to Disney exhaustion lol), we like to take breaks at the resort, and DS needs to be sleeping by 9ish so we can make it to RD the next day and repeat the process.

With all that considered, there really isn't time to schedule 3 FP at the second park. We're stuck using all 3 at the least useful time (mostly in the mornings) because of our inability to fit 3 into our evening park.

 

[mom2rtk]

I'm definitely the minority here, but I was in wdw the week of December 8 and I loved fp+. I will admit that the tier system is stupid and with legacy, I could get fp for all the headliners. However, I booked all our fp before the tier system. I love planning trips, so I enjoyed planning rides ahead of time. Also, by having fp+, we found ourselves running out of things to do because we could maximize our time better and not waste time walking back forth to get FPs. We still arrived at rd and were able to then ride soarin and tsmm twice or get straight in line for characters instead of rushing some place for a FP. Again, I hate the tier system and think it should be eliminated but I found the fp+ convenient. I did not find standby lines to be longer because of it either. I think our longest standby wait was 20 minutes.

You don't love FP+. You love a temporary rollout phase.

 

[Rileygirl]

I think what limits it the most is the inability to book the FP+ between parks.

and this is really interesting, because it makes me wonder if INADVERTANTLY this might actually hurt their onsite stays.

kind of makes you wonder if they don't have something else PLANNED as an additional perk for onsite guests, here, especially since extra magic hours NOW have less of a perk since theres no more "getting to HS at rope to rush to toy story to FP" or "hurry to epcot to FP test track and run over to soarin"

if they were SMART they'd replace the extra magic hours at the parks with the ability to FP plus two parks, or give more FP+ for onsite guests.

I dont think its going to hurt on site stays. You are thinking like a vet. A few vets might leave, but a million more GPs are going to come in because of it. They are going to love this new system, in my opinion, which I like to fling about like it means something (and it does not!)

EMH will go, because fp+ makes it redundant. Another opinion.
Resort perks will become the new commodity that Disney just printed
1)Prebooking FP
2)additional fast passes for parks at different resort levels
3)how SOON you can prebook your fp plus based on your resort levels

Just what I think,ymmv.

Park hopping fast passes, I dont know if it will come in to play. I think maybe not because of crowd control rammifications. Dont know.

We never park hop before, we are not ap holders now (have not been for years, but I almost bit when disney offered DVCers that great deal last year, or was it the year before?). I'd save the 50 bucks per person, and stick to one park per day, usually with an afternoon break.

But I think, we may end up park hopping now. Because we are rope droppers, it may be of benefit. I think we will rope drop both epcot and DHS, and book fp for mk on those evenings. I am hoping with arriving on time (early) and making full use of the rope drop, we can get all the biggies done at epcot, and perhaps most of the biggies at DHS. We will see. I only have 3 days to work with.

 

[morethananyonex]

while we complain about this to kingdom come a quick story here. about two years ago, with my then 3 YO daughter and 5 year old son, we were at HS at Rope. obviously, as most people in the know do, you got there early and went straight to TS mania to FP. as we tended to do, my wife would take my son and get in the SB line, and I took my daughter to FP the ride and would meet her in line, so we could, you know, ride twice. they would put cast members in a 'Chain line' directing people to the attraction, and tried their best to limit the rush. long story short, while HOLDING my daughter and walking, people started running, someone tripped me, and to protect my daughter from the fall I obviusly held her and didnt try and break my fall, and gashed my knees and elbows. No one stopped. No one tried to help. Disney was gracious enough to offer us free mickey bars. seriously. ice cream. my point here is THATS what they're trying to ELIMINATE with FP plus.

They didn't eliminate the problem, they just put a bandaid on it. The underlying issue is the lack of capacity and headliner rides, TSMM just brought the problem front and center. There is no other ride at DHS that appeals to families with young kids the same way TSMM does.

The problem could have been eliminated by building another headliner that appeals to families in a different area of the park.

 

[mom2rtk]

They didn't eliminate the problem, they just put a bandaid on it. The underlying issue is the lack of capacity and headliner rides, TSMM just brought the problem front and center. There is no other ride at DHS that appeals to families with young kids the same way TSMM does.

The problem could have been eliminated by building another headliner that appeals to families in a different area of the park.

Besides, Disney already fixed any safety issue with the running of the TSMM bulls. They now open the park a little early, and don't stop people in a big herd for an internal rope drop. People don't all start off at the same point as a big group, but are limited to the pace at which they enter through the turn/tapstiles.

But yes, adding another family-friendly headliner would help too.

 

[morethananyonex]

You don't love FP+. You love a temporary rollout phase.

Yeah, I don't really get the people who say they loved FP+ but then go on to say how they don't like tiering and supplemented with FP-. That's not FP+. How good to it be if you still have to use the old system?

I would like prebooking certain rides too if I still had the ability to FP the other ones.

 

[Rileygirl]

You don't love FP+. You love a temporary rollout phase.

Exactly as Disney wanted.

The cherry on top of everything is Disney is making this whole scheme sold as an UPGRADE!

ok, leaving the sandbox for now, have fun guys

~A

 

[joecatz]

But if they allow people to use FP+ at more than one park, it defeats the purpose of tiering. Tiering is there because they don't have the ride capacity to support this system. If people can hop around to pick off the headliners, they will still have a shortage for headliner spots.

I will say that in all of this mess, I'm really glad that hopping isn't one of our issues. We generally don't buy hoppers and just plan complete days in a given park. But I can totally see how frustrating this would be to someone used to hopping.

Everyone says "do rope drop at one park and schedule FP+ at your later park". Which is all fine. Except that before you could do rope drop, do some FP at that park when it got busy, then ALSO do FP at your later park. You could do rope drop at Epcot, grab a FP on TT, ride TT, run over and do Soarin, then go back and use your TT FP. And it's still early. You could to a few more things, then go over to MK and start pulling FPs for the remainder of the day.

It's clearly a huge takeaway. It's ride rationing. Disney is hoping everyone will adjust their expectations downward. I suppose some will. I doubt we will ever be happy with this.

how does it defeat the purpose of tiering, if the tiering is still in place? you'd still have to choose between test track or soarin at epcot, but you'd be able to choose JUST ONE OF THEM. and instead of wasting your FP on mission space and spaceship earth, which still have max wait times of like 20 minutes, you'd do the other two in MK, or whatever. I'm an AP and I've never experienced a pre FP+ wait time of longer than 10 minutes on SE or 20 on MS in off peak times, and on our most recent trip both of these rides saw Stand by times DOUBLE that because of FP+

If anything, by keeping the tiering AND allowing FP+ hopping, you probably end up creating MORE FP+ opportunities and shorter lines in general.

the lines for the big rides will ALWAYS be long, but whats really happening now is that the shorter lines are also becoming LONGER because people feel the need to USE their FP +.

and in reality, 90% of the public only wants a FP for major attractions.

as for the rope drop stuff, for me I think the bigger issue that hasn't been touched on here is that FP+ FORCES YOU to schedule your day and what park your going to visit and WHEN.

its less about limiting the hopping as it is limiting the ability to decide on the fly.

 

[btk2333]

You don't love FP+. You love a temporary rollout phase.

You don't hate FP+ you hate a temporary rollout phase

 

[mom2rtk]

You don't hate FP+ you hate a temporary rollout phase

Really? What's to hate about a phase where you get legacy FP and FP+ is also there as an ADDED benefit?

There's nothing to hate unless you are staying at Pop or one of the All Stars.

 

[morethananyonex]

You don't hate FP+ you hate a temporary rollout phase

That's fair, but the rollout phase being referred to was one that is already gone. Tiering is now in place, FP- have started their exit.

However, my trip is during this temporary rollout phase. So yeah, that sucks. Even if this morphs into an awesome system that I love in a couple years, that doesn't make it any easier to swallow now.

 

[summermac]

Really? What's to hate about a phase where you get legacy FP and FP+ is also there as an ADDED benefit?

There's nothing to hate unless you are staying at Pop or one of the All Stars.

Um because you don't get both right now. If you are part of the rollout as a resort guest you do not get a KTTW card to pull legacy.

 

[mesaboy2]

Um because you don't get both right now. If you are part of the rollout as a resort guest you do not get a KTTW card to pull legacy.

This still depends on the resort in question, as mentioned in the post you quoted.

 

[morethananyonex]

Um because you don't get both right now. If you are part of the rollout as a resort guest you do not get a KTTW card to pull legacy.

Yes you do. As of today all resort guests except Pop and All Stars can double dip.

 

[Disneylover99]

Um because you don't get both right now. If you are part of the rollout as a resort guest you do not get a KTTW card to pull legacy.

You still do at the moderate and deluxe resorts and you can still use old KTTW cards if you have them to pull FP.

 

[chris1013]

You don't love FP+. You love a temporary rollout phase.

Nope, I love fp+. It worked well for us. You can disagree with me that's fine. But don't put words in my mouth just because you don't like what I said.

 

[summermac]

Oh sorry we are at Pop so I was thinking of me, myself & I. LOL

 

[Bullseye]

I think it's funny that so many people claim everyone should love FP+ because now people have a shot at TSMM who have never rode it, while on the other hand telling people who don't like the limits on the system that there is always SB line to ride.

Well, if stand by wasn't good enough for you to stand in to ride TSMM, then why is it a solution to the issues that FP+ has created? Obviously standing in a long line sucks, or you would have rode TSMM already.

Standing in a long line does suck but now more people get to stand in the short line once a day and more people have to stand in the long line if they want subsequent rides.

"Limit 1 Per Customer"... each customer gets one shorty "while supplies last." More equitable for everyone. Just because scooping up as many fp as possible in the past worked great for some people doesn't mean it was working for everyone. Every single day of every week all FP's gone within the first few hours of the day for TSMM and Soarin... you think they can't see that's a busted system?

....and in the end it doesn't really matter if you love FP+ or not

 

[btk2333]

Oh sorry we are at Pop so I was thinking of me, myself & I. LOL

do you have any old KTTW cards with you? They can be used to pull FP (I only ask because we always seem to have some old KTTW cards hiding in our suitcases)

 

[chris1013]

Yeah, I don't really get the people who say they loved FP+ but then go on to say how they don't like tiering and supplemented with FP-. That's not FP+. How good to it be if you still have to use the old system?

I would like prebooking certain rides too if I still had the ability to FP the other ones.

We didn't use fp legacy, we only used fp+. I said I don't like the tiering and disagree. However, based on my experience, even with the tiering, I could still ride everything I wanted by arriving at RD