Not sure $149 Disney After Hrs event is doing well... (ETA: reviews in 1st post)

[3DisneyFanz]

Except eating at BOG (often a long-shot anyway), you can still do that from 7-10/11. You have 3-4 houra of normal park time to eat, enjoy the park and regular wttractions before focusing on rides.

I'm a big guy and I love to eat but I don't think I can put all that down in 4 hours.

My point really was that I don't think this is really comparable to a 1 day ticket (or at least I wouldn't treat it that way). To me this is a special event like the old eticket ride nights where if you do it its just to cram as much rides as you can in a short period of time. On a day ticket I'm much more likely to spend time shopping or eating than I would on this event.

 

[CJN]

Meanwhile, any thoughts to my response to your baseball game analogy?

I'm not the person you asked but, yes, I have thoughts to your baseball analogy - no, it doesn't work. If 300 extra people with free tickets spread evenly throughout an almost empty stadium with a capacity of 50,000 I'd probably barely notice them, so it wouldn't have the slightest effect on my experience. Same deal in MK. If, however, they all sat in adjacent seats around me behind home plate it would be different, but after hours guests won't walk around as a group. With so many rides open - unlike the morning event - they'll easily disperse throughout the park.

(And p.s. I would argue strongly that right behind home plate is NOT the best spot in a ballpark ).

 

[Kimberly9701]

I'm not the person you asked but, yes, I have thoughts to your baseball analogy - no, it doesn't work. If 300 extra people with free tickets spread evenly throughout an almost empty stadium with a capacity of 50,000 I'd probably barely notice them, so it wouldn't have the slightest effect on my experience. Same deal in MK. If, however, they all sat in adjacent seats around me behind home plate it would be different, but after hours guests won't walk around as a group. With so many rides open - unlike the morning event - they'll easily disperse throughout the park.

(And p.s. I would argue strongly that right behind home plate is NOT the best spot in a ballpark ).

Yep, and if 50,000 seats sell. Or 49,700 seats sell, and the rest given away for free- the result is the same.

With WDW is same... how can you possibly, logically, intelligently, ask for a refund? What are they refunding you for? Because someone got a free ticket?
I can't board that train of thinking.

 

[jbish]

I'm not the person you asked but, yes, I have thoughts to your baseball analogy - no, it doesn't work. If 300 extra people with free tickets spread evenly throughout an almost empty stadium with a capacity of 50,000 I'd probably barely notice them, so it wouldn't have the slightest effect on my experience. Same deal in MK. If, however, they all sat in adjacent seats around me behind home plate it would be different, but after hours guests won't walk around as a group. With so many rides open - unlike the morning event - they'll easily disperse throughout the park.

(And p.s. I would argue strongly that right behind home plate is NOT the best spot in a ballpark ).

My analogy to the seats behind home plate was merely to equate it to a "special" ticket, arguably the more expensive seats. Maybe the more appropriate analogy are those Legends Suite seats at Yankee Stadium that cost boatloads of money (and are often empty) - I think they're further along the first base line. People pay a premium for those seats and get concierge service (wait staff to order food and drinks) plus other perks (I haven't been, so not speaking from experience). So the point of my analogy was to say, if one had paid $500 (for example) for those "special" seats and then found out that half of the people in that section were randomly chosen to have free tickets (meaning a significant portion of all seats available), one might be upset. Similar to reports of maybe a few hundred people at DAH, of which hundreds (i.e. a "significant portion") had gotten in free at the last minute. It has nothing to do with that section of the ballpark feeling crowded. But you (general you, not you specifically) paid $500 for a premium experience (of which there are a limited number) and others get it for free and enjoying all of the perks you paid for. That wouldn't upset you or bother you, even a little? And this has nothing to do with the remaining 49,000 seats elsewhere in the stadium.

Back to DAH, I'm not saying that the people that got in for free are going to clog up the ride lines and eat up all of the free ice cream bars. But it just seems to diminish the value of the ticket you paid top dollar for. That's all.

And, to note, I'm not a Yankees fan. *shudder* But I've seen the seats that they built in the new Yankee Stadium, and it seemed like an appropriate comparison.

 

[tarak]

I just dropped $553 on three tickets to see Paul McCartney in July at the Hershey Stadium. The fact that I'll spend that for a three-hour concert might explain why I don't think the price point on this is that horrific. I'm sure someone there will get free tickets and that won't bother me in the slightest. I've paid for club level a few times and I know there are families who get upgraded to the category of room for which I paid extra to book. I look at it this way - they got pixie dust. I consider myself having gotten it by being able to pay for that room to begin with. I can understand some people being upset. Just trying to explain why I wouldn't be.

 

[Mikie]

Yep, and if 50,000 seats sell. Or 49,700 seats sell, and the rest given away for free- the result is the same.

With WDW is same... how can you possibly, logically, intelligently, ask for a refund? What are they refunding you for? Because someone got a free ticket?
I can't board that train of thinking.

For all the possible, logical, intelligent reasons based on other business practices and the practices of WDW itself in other areas of the parks and resorts as I outlined in my response to you above. It's ok if your time is worth more to you than the $600/hour/ticket in question, assuming that in a 15 minute stop at GR I got a refund of the purchase price). Or perhaps you feel it's some point of pride to pay a premium for something even when you may not have to. That's Ok. But it's rude to state that all people who hold a different outlook are illogical and unintelligent.

 

[bcrook]

I just dropped $553 on three tickets to see Paul McCartney in July at the Hershey Stadium. The fact that I'll spend that for a three-hour concert might explain why I don't think the price point on this is that horrific. I'm sure someone there will get free tickets and that won't bother me in the slightest. I've paid for club level a few times and I know there are families who get upgraded to the category of room for which I paid extra to book. I look at it this way - they got pixie dust. I consider myself having gotten it by being able to pay for that room to begin with. I can understand some people being upset. Just trying to explain why I wouldn't be.

If Paul McCartney was performing in front of the castle during these Extra Hours, then it would be a great deal! I'd buy for sure. (Although I would prefer Ringo - no flaming).

 

[Kimberly9701]

My analogy to the seats behind home plate was merely to equate it to a "special" ticket, arguably the more expensive seats. Maybe the more appropriate analogy are those Legends Suite seats at Yankee Stadium that cost boatloads of money (and are often empty) - I think they're further along the first base line. People pay a premium for those seats and get concierge service (wait staff to order food and drinks) plus other perks (I haven't been, so not speaking from experience). So the point of my analogy was to say, if one had paid $500 (for example) for those "special" seats and then found out that half of the people in that section were randomly chosen to have free tickets (meaning a significant portion of all seats available), one might be upset. Similar to reports of maybe a few hundred people at DAH, of which hundreds (i.e. a "significant portion") had gotten in free at the last minute. It has nothing to do with that section of the ballpark feeling crowded. But you (general you, not you specifically) paid $500 for a premium experience (of which there are a limited number) and others get it for free and enjoying all of the perks you paid for. That wouldn't upset you or bother you, even a little? And this has nothing to do with the remaining 49,000 seats elsewhere in the stadium.

Back to DAH, I'm not saying that the people that got in for free are going to clog up the ride lines and eat up all of the free ice cream bars. But it just seems to diminish the value of the ticket you paid top dollar for. That's all.

And, to note, I'm not a Yankees fan. *shudder* But I've seen the seats that they built in the new Yankee Stadium, and it seemed like an appropriate comparison.

If seats are there then they can be filled. Spending $500 on a certain section will in no way guarantee that you won't have people around you. It guarantees great seats and exceptional service.

Now, if they gave away tickets for people to stand in the aisle ways, after all the seats were filled? Preventing your view or ability to order a drink? That would be an accurate comparison. And that's not at all what happened.

 

[Kimberly9701]

For all the possible, logical, intelligent reasons based on other business practices and the practices of WDW itself in other areas of the parks and resorts as I outlined in my response to you above. It's ok if your time is worth more to you than the $600/hour/ticket in question, assuming that in a 15 minute stop at GR I got a refund of the purchase price). Or perhaps you feel it's some point of pride to pay a premium for something even when you may not have to. That's Ok. But it's rude to state that all people who hold a different outlook are illogical and unintelligent.

Not being rude, just wondering what argument or valid request you would have.
Did you not attend an 'exclusive' after hours event with low crowds?
Because the answer is - Yes, that's what you attended.
I can't imagine a business who would engage in such practice...that business wouldn't be around very long if they catered to any unreasonable request for money back after services were rendered.

Can I demand a refund from Mike Brown because people get in to Bengals games for free all of the time? That's crazy!lol I pay for a seat, I was given a seat. What someone else did or didn't get doesn't qualify me for my money back.

 

[mom2rtk]

What I was thinking, why buy the tickets in advance when the possibility is out there that you could end up getting invited for free. I think they are discouraging people from buying the tickets waiting to see who gets invited free. DVC members got free tickets last week, I'm sure any members who were thinking about buying held back this week thinking they may get an invite.

I really think this was very poor marketing. After 2 events now where they gave away lots of tickets, nobody in their right mind would buy tickets in advance. They would wait until the last possible moment in case they were in a group getting them free.

 

[maxiesmom]

For all the possible, logical, intelligent reasons based on other business practices and the practices of WDW itself in other areas of the parks and resorts as I outlined in my response to you above. It's ok if your time is worth more to you than the $600/hour/ticket in question, assuming that in a 15 minute stop at GR I got a refund of the purchase price). Or perhaps you feel it's some point of pride to pay a premium for something even when you may not have to. That's Ok. But it's rude to state that all people who hold a different outlook are illogical and unintelligent.

If you get what you paid for it is illogical to ask for a refund.

 

[Mikie]

Not being rude, just wondering what argument or valid request you would have.
Did you not attend an 'exclusive' after hours event with low crowds?
Because the answer is - Yes, that's what you attended.
I can't imagine a business who would engage in such practice...that business wouldn't be around very long if they catered to any unreasonable request for money back after services were rendered.

Can I demand a refund from Mike Brown because people get in to Bengals games for free all of the time? That's crazy!lol I pay for a seat, I was given a seat. What someone else did or didn't get doesn't qualify me for my money back.

If you get what you paid for it is illogical to ask for a refund.

I think you just clearly aren't in the habit of comparison shopping or something. One such business "you can't imagine" is DISNEY, as explained in two specific examples in my post above. Even though a customer books a hotel at a price they are presumably happy with on one day, Disney willingly adjusts their price to reflect a new discount price despite the fact that you are still getting the same room you previously agreed to pay more for, if you simply do so much as make a phone call. Even though some people determined that Memory Maker was worth the price of $169 and bought it, Disney willingly gave people credits when they subsequently sold Memory Maker to other customers for a lower price. Retail stores such as Best Buy, Wal Mart, Target, all of the grocery stores in my area, and many more are among those unimaginable companies who will adjust their price to reflect a new discount or match a competitor sale.

You seem to believe it is an unreasonable request to get a good or service at a lower price when a company demonstrates (by dropping the price or giving it away) that they are willing to accept a lower price for that good or service from other customers. I believe it is reasonable and fiscally responsible to get the best product or service for the lowest price the seller will accept.

 

[Hikergirl]

 

[Kimberly9701]

I think you just clearly aren't in the habit of comparison shopping or something. One such business "you can't imagine" is DISNEY, as explained in two specific examples in my post above. Even though a customer books a hotel at a price they are presumably happy with on one day, Disney willingly adjusts their price to reflect a new discount price despite the fact that you are still getting the same room you previously agreed to pay more for, if you simply do so much as make a phone call. Even though some people determined that Memory Maker was worth the price of $169 and bought it, Disney willingly gave people credits when they subsequently sold Memory Maker to other customers for a lower price. Retail stores such as Best Buy, Wal Mart, Target, all of the grocery stores in my area, and many more are among those unimaginable companies who will adjust their price to reflect a new discount or match a competitor sale.

You seem to believe it is an unreasonable request to get a good or service at a lower price when a company demonstrates (by dropping the price or giving it away) that they are willing to accept a lower price for that good or service from other customers. I believe it is reasonable and fiscally responsible to get the best product or service for the lowest price the seller will accept.

I'm sorry, but you aren't making sense at all.

Comparison shopping is searching for the best price from different vendors.

A 'general public' discount offered is across the board offered to - the general public.

A $149 ticket price to get in to MK after hours is getting you in to MK after hours. The ticket prices were not reduced. SOME people received free tickets.

This has nothing to do with comparison shopping or discounts.

Not even close.

You are asking for your money back because someone randomly received a free ticket?
Where is the justification for that? Why would a business ever agree to it?
It is not logical.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

If seats are there then they can be filled. Spending $500 on a certain section will in no way guarantee that you won't have people around you. It guarantees great seats and exceptional service.

Now, if they gave away tickets for people to stand in the aisle ways, after all the seats were filled? Preventing your view or ability to order a drink? That would be an accurate comparison. And that's not at all what happened.

Not being rude, just wondering what argument or valid request you would have.
Did you not attend an 'exclusive' after hours event with low crowds?
Because the answer is - Yes, that's what you attended.
I can't imagine a business who would engage in such practice...that business wouldn't be around very long if they catered to any unreasonable request for money back after services were rendered.

Can I demand a refund from Mike Brown because people get in to Bengals games for free all of the time? That's crazy!lol I pay for a seat, I was given a seat. What someone else did or didn't get doesn't qualify me for my money back.

If you get what you paid for it is illogical to ask for a refund.

Agreed, agreed and agreed.

 

[bcrook]

I think you just clearly aren't in the habit of comparison shopping or something. One such business "you can't imagine" is DISNEY, as explained in two specific examples in my post above. Even though a customer books a hotel at a price they are presumably happy with on one day, Disney willingly adjusts their price to reflect a new discount price despite the fact that you are still getting the same room you previously agreed to pay more for, if you simply do so much as make a phone call. Even though some people determined that Memory Maker was worth the price of $169 and bought it, Disney willingly gave people credits when they subsequently sold Memory Maker to other customers for a lower price. Retail stores such as Best Buy, Wal Mart, Target, all of the grocery stores in my area, and many more are among those unimaginable companies who will adjust their price to reflect a new discount or match a competitor sale.

You seem to believe it is an unreasonable request to get a good or service at a lower price when a company demonstrates (by dropping the price or giving it away) that they are willing to accept a lower price for that good or service from other customers. I believe it is reasonable and fiscally responsible to get the best product or service for the lowest price the seller will accept.

Very logical. Your examples are solid and based on sound economic principles.

Thoughtful post. Thank you.

 

[SaintsManiac]

I think you just clearly aren't in the habit of comparison shopping or something. One such business "you can't imagine" is DISNEY, as explained in two specific examples in my post above. Even though a customer books a hotel at a price they are presumably happy with on one day, Disney willingly adjusts their price to reflect a new discount price despite the fact that you are still getting the same room you previously agreed to pay more for, if you simply do so much as make a phone call. Even though some people determined that Memory Maker was worth the price of $169 and bought it, Disney willingly gave people credits when they subsequently sold Memory Maker to other customers for a lower price. Retail stores such as Best Buy, Wal Mart, Target, all of the grocery stores in my area, and many more are among those unimaginable companies who will adjust their price to reflect a new discount or match a competitor sale.

You seem to believe it is an unreasonable request to get a good or service at a lower price when a company demonstrates (by dropping the price or giving it away) that they are willing to accept a lower price for that good or service from other customers. I believe it is reasonable and fiscally responsible to get the best product or service for the lowest price the seller will accept.

Agree 100%

 

[mesaboy2]

I'm sorry, but you aren't making sense at all.

Comparison shopping is searching for the best price from different vendors.

A 'general public' discount offered is across the board offered to - the general public.

A $149 ticket price to get in to MK after hours is getting you in to MK after hours. The ticket prices were not reduced. SOME people received free tickets.

This has nothing to do with comparison shopping or discounts.

Not even close.

You are asking for your money back because someone randomly received a free ticket?
Where is the justification for that? Why would a business ever agree to it?
It is not logical.

Does your opinion change if MOST people received free tickets? It is hard to tell, but seems plausible based on what we have heard thus far.

 

[cindyfan]

Yep, and if 50,000 seats sell. Or 49,700 seats sell, and the rest given away for free- the result is the same.

With WDW is same... how can you possibly, logically, intelligently, ask for a refund? What are they refunding you for? Because someone got a free ticket?
I can't board that train of thinking.

Have you ever made a purchase from a store only to find out the next week that it went on sale??? (or.... free, in a buy one get one free scenario) You wouldn't hesitate to take your receipt back for the refund of the difference, would you? It's the same thinking!
I wouldn't hesitate to ask for a refund or discount!

 

[Kimberly9701]

Very logical. Your examples are solid and based on sound economic principles.

Thoughtful post. Thank you.

Do you know what kind of economics would result in a business refunding people for frivolous reasons?

That business would cease to exist. Ok this the worst case scenario.
Best case- prices raise across the board due to that kind of negligent business practice.

Bernie Sanders has that kind of business logic though..so I guess people see economics differently.

Does your opinion change if MOST people received free tickets? It is hard to tell, but seems plausible based on what we have heard thus far.

Did that happen? I haven't seen any such claim.