Norwalk season has arrived!

You know, I DO remember that article in the paper. I'll have to do some research and see what I can find. I too drink white wine and have yet to get the Norwalk (knock, knock, knockin' on wood) on an airplane or on a cruise. hmmmmmmm I wonder what virus my Absinthe will keep me from getting....
 
I brought those pre-packaged, pre-moistened alcohol wipes. I wiped down everything in the stateroom as soon I got there. Door knobs, phone, TV remote, drawer pulls, the entire bathroom I cleaned with those clorox wipes. Those little alcohol wipes are great, they are so small, you can keep them in your pocket to have as needed. Another good tip I got on this board last year was get a paper towel when you first go into a public bathroom. Use it to turn on and off the faucet, and also the door knob when leaving the bathroom. Unbelievable as it is, there are alot of people out there that do not wash there hands after going to the bathroom (yuck!) I am now in the habit of doing that everytime. (my co-workers do look at me strange though) I would prefer not to get someone else's germs from a door knob.

Robin ºOº
 
Oh my goodness this brings back the worst memories for me, my DD 4 yrs old at the time got that virus only we weren't on a cruise we were at the Polynesian resort, and she has a compromised system anyway she couldn't even keep water down, ended up in the hospital because she got a strep infection with it needed to get the anti-bioic down but the shot they game her to stop vomitting shut down her kidney's. I never want to go through anything like that again. I also said I was never going on another vacation again in my life but looking at my signature we changed our minds. Ship has a DR on it so we will take our chances.:wave2:
 

Mark Daeschel, an OSU food microbiologist, has discovered that wine -- particularly white wine -- has antibacterial properties that kill E. coli, salmonella and other bacteria that contaminate food and make people sick.

Daeschel began his research about four years ago to test anecdotal evidence from a bacterial food-poisoning outbreak that occurred in September 1994 aboard a cruise ship. "People who had had wine with their meals didn't come down with the food-borne illness," Daeschel said. "But people who didn't have wine got sick."

Daeschel and his assistants created their own version of a human stomach in the laboratory using plastic bags and a machine called a "stomacher."

They filled the bags with baby food because it is sterile and its nutritional content is known. They added strains of E. coli and salmonella bacteria that had been incubated in the laboratory.

The researchers next added synthetic gastric fluid to four of the bags and intentionally omitted the fluid from four bags to measure the role the body's natural defenses play in fighting food poisoning.
 
Very Interesting Ann I wonder if it will work for those of us with ulcers as well but then of course the ulcer will be aggravated by the alcohol UGH A no win situation.
But Seriously I have a very sensitive stomach Do you think I should get a note from my DR stating that I tend to get sick from eating rich foods and straying from my diet. I'd hate to have to eat sensibly the whole cruise but I also don't want to be wrongly quarantined.
 
As an RN, I feel obligated to add that while wipes are wonderful, prevention is even better. Decreasing your risk of contamination to begin with is the way to go. The paper towel/bathroom idea is a prime example. Don't forget those ever bacteria-filthy door handles (grab them with a towel/shirt/bag) instead of your hands. And those elevator buttons-how many people push them in an hour with filthy fingers (who have been you-know-where)? Use the same towel/shirt/bag method (or push them with your elbow-a body part that you can't eventually stick in your face). How about those KTTW cards that you are constantly giving to CM's? Can you say baggy? Let the CM pull it out of the baggy without you touching it. So people will look at you funny-they'll be looking over a barf bag. :p The internet cafe? All I can say is "disposable latex gloves" (am I going overboard here?)Sorry, but working with newborns, you can never be too cautious.
Other things to cover before handling-luggage handles,bus poles, buffet utensils,arcade controls-I could go on forever but I think you get the point.
 
I had posted this once before when the germ subject came up... one of the Professors in my department at work did swab samples with his Health class. The took swabs of my keyboard, my phone, the ladies room toilet seat, door handle for the exit door, the Public phone in the lobby, the men's locker room-football helmets, shoulder pads, the Fitness Center weight lifing bench, among others... he let them grow in a petri dish...eeeuu.

Well, needless to say, I don't care what kind of looks I get when I use a papertowel to open the door when leaving the ladies room. I even use toilet paper to open the stall door now..because we found out at least half the people DO NOT wash their hands when they're done going potty!!! I explained to one of my student workers just that point when she gave me the strange look and then the look of "OHMIGOD" on her face, when she had realized how many germs are on the door handles. Now she uses a papertowel to open the doors too.

My keyboard and phone came back pretty normal, because I clean them with alcohol wipes all the time. Everyone comes in to use my phone, coaches, students, the cleaning ladies... so it gets wiped down constantly!! Especially once the kids come back to school and start hacking all over my desk,,, I make them go out into the hall and talk to me from there. I call it the Fresmen Flu, about 3 weeks into the school year, they all start getting sick.. because they're run down, they stay up until all hours of the night, studying, partying, playing computer games, X-box whatever, and they're resistence is down and they start getting sick and just pass it from one to another.
And yet another cycle begins........
 
we found out at least half the people DO NOT wash their hands when they're done going potty!!!

And of the half that do "wash their hands," how many are just ever-so-quickly passing them under the water, not even using soap? I've witnessed this myself countless times in public restrooms.:crazy2:

I'm not a wine drinker, but maybe I'll start!:scratchin
 
Originally posted by LAMPSKIES
Well not to bring up a SORE past subject but.......I was told the the Magic was not supposed to be dry docked this year........I heard the Rae519 was so sick of hearing me whine and fuss last Jan and Feb on these boards that she requested a dry docking before my replacement Nov. 29 2003 Eastern so it would be virus free......Is that true Rae???? LOL


You know that's the first time I've actually read something about that cancelled cruise and laughed!!!! Thanks, pal!

Now for the truth of the matter - I heard that people were so sick of me asking to have Fidelio and Dueling Pianos back on the Magic that they took away my favorite room and upgraded me to Deck 7 (same room type, size, etc. - just higher up)....and I am still complaining about that since Mom (75) and MIchael (8) are so "programmed" to that room that it will be a bit of a challenge for them to remember where we are - and for me, well, I just like the no neighbors on my left part of that room!!!!

Now I fall into this category as well, folks, so this is just a bit of chatting....

I have seen so many people with real problems, challenges and tragedies that I have had NO empathy whatsoever for the continuing sage of the cancelled cruise, or even the one we were on that was diverted from Western to other ports, or my own continuing drama about Fidelio and Dueling Pianos AND my stateroom change....

Yes, I have already admitted that it gets old to some but to others it is an important feature - it's the length of time something goes on that becomes the irritant here. Talk about it a few times then DROP IT. If it's a thread and named, then whomever wants to discuss it can go to that thread and do it - and if a person doesn't want to hear about it, then don't go - or put that person on your ignore list.

Norwalk, Norwalk, Norwalk - a virus that causes you to run at both ends is not something unique to any one place - it happens even when you do all you can do prevent it. So what do you do, take the cruise/vacation or sit home in your bubble and wait for someone to get it and pass it on to you while you are shopping, visiting or out to dinner...

Life goes on, folks - sometimes it goes OUR way and sometimes it DOESN'T!!

Lampskies - would that I could make it perfect for you and the others.....ALL OF THEM!

Hugs and in 24 hours I'll be on the road -

Rae
 
Yes, I have already admitted that it gets old to some but to others it is an important feature

I'd just like to make a short plea for the newbies. I think Rae makes a very good point about simply ignoring the topics you are sick of hearing about. Those of us who have become regulars here are bound to get weary with certain topics, but everyday, we have new people logging on who have never been on a Disney cruise, who may have never even considered going on a cruise before, who may benefit from some of this tired old information.

Although the Norwalk situation has been beaten to death by the media (and, yes, by some DISers,) someone who had never before considered cruising might have chosen to ignore the information at the time, and could use the information offered here.

I think it's very helpful for DIS veterans to be available to say, "this is my experience, and these are the things we have learned. Take it for what it's worth and have a great cruise."

:grouphug:
 
Originally posted by Cindyluwho
.....hmmmmmmm I wonder what virus my Absinthe will keep me from getting....

Drinking that green turpentine will prevent many things:

Walking, breathing, living, etc. ;)

That stuff is poison. Be very careful. (Yes, I have had REAL Absinthe. Nasty nasty nasty). ;)
 
Maybe the Spa could add an herbal clorox wrap :earsgirl:
 
Rae..........have a safe trip. For all you newbies, the complaint threads when the cruise was cancelled wasn't about it being cancelled, it was the way DCL origionally handeled it. They WERE unprepaired. End of that comment. Many of us who were some of the biggest "complainers" have since either taken another DCL cruise or are soon to take one. Our 1/2 off vouchers expire at the end of this year and can not be used during a "peak" time. Which makes that about the middle of Dec. the last cruise dates. DCL has made it right. I'll let you know Dec. 6 when I return.
 
Here is an article that I read after we returned from WDW last Dec. It tells all of the norwalk virus. I think it was Dec 13, 2003



Cruise Ships Trying to Prevent Further Outbreaks

As the winter months descend upon the Midwest, many Wisconsinites are escaping the cold by taking a cruise to a warmer climate. Most cruise ship vacations include stops in exotic – or at least sunny – locations, making cruises an increasingly popular way to take a break from Old Man Winter. But in recent months, hundreds of travelers have become ill aboard cruise ships. The most common illnesses have been Norwalk-like viruses, which cause mild to moderate gastrointestinal symptoms.

Gary Barnas, MD, Associate Professor of Medicine (General Internal Medicine) at the Medical College of Wisconsin, gave us some facts about the viruses. “The original Norwalk virus was named for its first occurrence in Norwalk, Ohio,” he says. “All other similar outbreaks are now called ‘Norwalk-like.’” Symptoms of illness from Norwalk-like viruses include nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramping and diarrhea. “The entire GI tract can be affected,” reports Dr. Barnas, “but fortunately, these illnesses usually run their course in two to three days.” The Norwalk-like viruses are among the most common causes of diarrhea, especially in travelers. They affect many confined sites on land as well, such as schools and nursing homes.

How is the Virus Spread?
“The viruses are spread through hand-to-mouth contact,” says Dr. Barnas. “This is definitely a hygiene issue. People pick up the viruses through contact with others, or from contaminated surfaces on the ship.” The problem is compounded by passengers who are unwilling to report their illness to the ship’s medical facility, for fear they will be confined to their cabin and miss out on the remainder of their cruise. “They could be unknowingly spreading the virus,” reports Dr. Barnas, “and in the recent cruise ship cases, passenger-to-passenger spread is the most common factor.” Dr. Barnas emphasizes the fact that the viruses may live on surfaces for several days – in some cases weeks – so even after a cruise has ended, the virus might still be active when the next set of passengers boards the ship.

For this reason, the cruise lines in question have implemented disinfection procedures on each of the ships affected with the virus. Ships are scrubbed from top to bottom with a chlorine solution, and special attention is given to high-contact surfaces like doorknobs and handrails. Buffet lines are currently banned on most of the ships, with crew members serving food and drinks to passengers instead.

Prevention
How do you avoid getting sick on your cruise? The answer is simple: proper hygiene. “Frequent hand washing is essential to the prevention of illness,” says Dr. Barnas, “especially after using the bathroom and before eating. Try to keep your hands away from your mouth as much as possible, and keep physical contact with other passengers to a minimum.”

Treatment
“The most important treatment for most of these illnesses is simply to keep hydrated,” says Dr. Barnas. “Dehydration is always a risk in gastrointestinal illness, and drinking fluids is key to a quick recovery. We can treat symptoms if necessary, but it’s usually best to just let the illness run its course.”

High Standards
It’s important to note that US-registered ships have the highest hygiene standards in the world. The Vessel Sanitation Program (VSP) at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) oversees sanitation practices on all US cruise ships. The program requires ship medical staff to keep detailed records of passengers’ health complaints and to report any possible cases of viral illness to the CDC immediately. If more than 2% of the passengers aboard any vessel show gastrointestinal symptoms, the ship must undergo special procedures to disinfect all common areas. The VSP has strict sanitation rules regarding general and specific health conditions aboard cruise ships, and it runs frequent cruise ship inspections, both scheduled and unannounced.

Sick Ships: The Latest from the CDC
Currently, the CDC is investigating several ships in regard to reports of passenger illness. Holland America’s Amsterdam, Disney’s Magic, Carnival’s Fascination, and P & O UK’s Oceana are among the ships under investigation. The Amsterdam returned to service on December 1, and its staff has been providing daily reports to the CDC. As of December 9, the vessel reported that 9 of 1,190 passengers and 2 of 577 crew members experienced a gastrointestinal illness. The Amsterdam returned to port on December 11, and no additional follow-up is required.

After a week of extensive cleaning and disinfection, the Disney Magic returned to service on December 7. Disney had reported 104 cases of gastrointestinal illness in 2,485 passengers aboard the ship, and in 19 crew members out of 1,003. It was taken out of service for the cleaning. The Magic will be providing the CDC with daily reports through the end of its current cruise.

Food and water samples taken from the Fascination for the cruise ending December 2, 2002 are still pending. As of December 9, the vessel has completed two additional cruises. The CDC’s vessel sanitation staff was notified by theFascination's medical staff reported that for the cruise ending December 6, 13 of 2,042 passengers and 12 of 907 crew members had reported gastrointestinal illness. For the cruise ending December 9, 6 of 2038 passengers and 7 of 922 crew members reported ill. No other follow-up is planned by the CDC.

On December 7, CDC staff boarded the Oceana to conduct interviews with ill passengers and crew. As of December 9, the vessel’s medical staff notified the CDC that 197 of 1,859 passengers and 15 of 868 crew members had reported to the ship’s infirmary with gastrointestinal illness. All of the passengers originated in the United Kingdom and flew on chartered aircraft to Ft. Lauderdale, the boarding point. Most of the ill passengers were reported to be on one chartered flight originating in Manchester, United Kingdom. On November 29 the vessel underwent a routine, unannounced inspection, and the Oceana scored high 95 out of 100 points for sanitation standards.

Don’t Cancel Your Plans
Dr. Barnas stresses that Wisconsinites planning a cruise ship vacation should not cancel their travel plans. Only a small percentage of passengers have become ill, and people who are generally healthy don’t need to be too concerned about the Norwalk-like viruses. Dr. Barnas does have some important reminders for anyone planning to take a cruise, though: “The best form of protection against illness is frequent handwashing. We can’t stress that enough. And if you do become ill, either on the ship or on a land excursion away from the ship, remember to report your illness to the medical facility on the ship so they can try to prevent further outbreaks.” Also, some cruise lines are giving partial refunds to passengers who need to cancel their trip because of sickness, so be sure to look into that as well.
 
Originally posted by LarryC
"Drinking that green turpentine will prevent many things:

Walking, breathing, living, etc. ;)

That stuff is poison. Be very careful. (Yes, I have had REAL Absinthe. Nasty nasty nasty). ;) "

LarryC, it seems that you and I have different tastes in liquor. I like my Absinthe from Germany and France, can't stand the stuff from the Czech eeeewwwwww there's a lot of myths about the green fairy, but I like my Absinthe - taste and all
 

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