Non-Partisan Thoughts About Vice-President Cheney

[eclectics]

Or whose ox is being (Al) gored.

Couldn't resist, could you!

 

[Robinrs]

Oh, yeah, I'm so PROUD you all kept this thread NON PARTISAN....

Non story???? Are you KIDDING! I agree it was an accident but the Vice President of the free world shooting his friend in the face and the man suffering a heart attack... this is a NON STORY???? I BEG to differ!!!

Oops... excuse me for being a member of that darned MSM!!

 

[DisneyMomOK]

I think it is interesting that people who have (I believe by their comments) NEVER hunted birds seem to feel this is some sort of a government plot to deprive the public of news or something. Mr. Whittington apologized because he knew he had failed to follow the rules of bird hunting safety: You hunt in a line, with all other hunters in your peripheral vision, in order to avoid an accident. Unfortunately, Mr. W fell back to check his quarry and because he was out of the line got sprayed with the edge of Cheney's load of bird shot. Despite the journalists constant referral to "bullets", birdshot is very fine and even the woman who owned the ranch noted that she had been peppered before. I certainly don't care that much for Cheney, but Mr. W had a gun, too. Anyone who hunts realizes there is some danger to the sport. Just like some athletes break other athletes necks playing football (having a father with a spinal cord injury, I would take that birdshot straight on any day), these were adults doing adult stuff. Plus, what about the Privacy Act; can someone release another person's medical condition without their permission?

Sharon

 

[DawnCt1]

So was it Friday or Saturday?

Who cares, it was an accident.

 

[Mugg Mann]

Who cares, it was an accident.

Yes it was. And guess what Dawn, so was Chappaquiddick. But that doesn't stop you from being a hypocrite and bringing it up at every possible opportunity. Obviously you must believe that Kennedy planned out his accident in advance, because you want to hold his feet to the fire but look the other way when Cheney has an accident. And if you assume that the circumstances are different because someone died due to Kennedy's accident, then why don't you hold Laura Bush to the same standard because someone died due to her negligence?

Of course, the only explanation that fits all the facts is that you look the other way when republicans are involved and go for the jugular when it's a democrat. In your world, republicans/conservatives=good and democrats/liberals=bad, and no fact that contradicts that narrow-blinder worldview of yours can possibly be true. But you can't admit that, can you?

My apologies to the rest of the posters for going off topic...and MossMan, once again, good stuff!!!

 

[DawnCt1]

Yes it was. And guess what Dawn, so was Chappaquiddick. But that doesn't stop you from being a hypocrite and bringing it up at every possible opportunity. Obviously you must believe that Kennedy planned out his accident in advance, because you want to hold his feet to the fire but look the other way when Cheney has an accident. And if you assume that the circumstances are different because someone died due to Kennedy's accident, then why don't you hold Laura Bush to the same standard because someone died due to her negligence?

Of course, the only explanation that fits all the facts is that you look the other way when republicans are involved and go for the jugular when it's a democrat. In your world, republicans/conservatives=good and democrats/liberals=bad, and no fact that contradicts that narrow-blinder worldview of yours can possibly be true. But you can't admit that, can you?

My apologies to the rest of the posters for going off topic...and MossMan, once again, good stuff!!!

Oh but there are several things that are different here. He was with a woman, not his wife that was many years younger. He swam away, went to a hotel and failed to report the accident until he built a story for himself and the body was discovered. Leaving the scene of an accident is at the least, evading responsibility. He was more than likely drinking, so we have a potential DUI with vehicular manslaughter. Of course, if Ted had driven a Volkswagen instead of an Oldsmobile, he might have been president by now. Check out http://fatboy.cc

 

[salmoneous]

Mr. Whittington apologized because he knew he had failed to follow the rules of bird hunting safety: You hunt in a line, with all other hunters in your peripheral vision, in order to avoid an accident.

Uh, uh, no way. Do you hunt? Look, this was an accident. But in any hunting accident the blame goes to the shooter unless there is extraordinary negligence on the part of the shootee.

Two basic rules of bird (or any hunting) are always know where every member of your party is, and be responsible for knowing your line of shot is clear of people and dogs. Period. While some people do hunt in a line, that is no requirement and you would *never* rely on such a rule for safety.

As I said - an accident. It tells us nothing about Cheney's role as the VP. Cheney's a long time hunter and knows this was 100% his fault. He took full blame. But the crowd of people who seem to want to gloss over and misstate basic hunting safety to make the victim look at fault here are just wrong.

 

[chobie]

Non partisan??? Right, and monkey might fly out of my butt.

My 11 year old said it best I think, My wife and I were discussing the matter and how the media was in a frenzy.

The very sage 11 year old said "It was an accident, get over it."

Seems about right....

Aaah, the old "my child said" comeback. As if your child is not just parroting the views of her family.

My 11 year old said just the opposite about the vice president shooting an old man in the face, and though I would love to believe that her views are completely her own....I suspect she is still being influenced by the thoughts and feelings of the adults that she loves and respects.

 

[Robinrs]

Aaah, the old "my child said" comeback. As if your child is not just parroting the views of her family.

My 11 year old said just the opposite about the vice president shooting an old man in the face, and though I would love to believe that her views are completely her own....I suspect she is still being influenced by the thoughts and feelings of the adults that she loves and respects.

Man, I thought the very same thing when I read that! My son reflected MY thoughts, too, and it was quite different from "get over it"...

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Man, I thought the very same thing when I read that! My son reflected MY thoughts, too, and it was quite different from "get over it"...

So what did he say?

 

[bsnyder]

Yes it was. And guess what Dawn, so was Chappaquiddick. But that doesn't stop you from being a hypocrite and bringing it up at every possible opportunity. Obviously you must believe that Kennedy planned out his accident in advance, because you want to hold his feet to the fire but look the other way when Cheney has an accident. And if you assume that the circumstances are different because someone died due to Kennedy's accident, then why don't you hold Laura Bush to the same standard because someone died due to her negligence?

Of course, the only explanation that fits all the facts is that you look the other way when republicans are involved and go for the jugular when it's a democrat. In your world, republicans/conservatives=good and democrats/liberals=bad, and no fact that contradicts that narrow-blinder worldview of yours can possibly be true. But you can't admit that, can you?

My apologies to the rest of the posters for going off topic...and MossMan, once again, good stuff!!!

The Chappaquidick analogy falls down in a very basic way that you fail to mention. Kennedy didn't report his accident to the authorities until the next day. Cheney (through the Secret Service) reported his accident to the authorities immediately. He waited until the next day to notified the press, not the authorities. The news media may not like that, but oh well...

 

[Galahad]

then why don't you hold Laura Bush to the same standard because someone died due to her negligence?

Good God. That's simple. She was a child at the time!

 

[LakeAriel]

Just have to interject that is one of the funniest threads I've read in months. All of you guys are a riot! (Mossman, you're hysterical.)

You were looking for non-partisan opinions? Well, I don't think you got many, but this I wonder about Cheney--can there seriously be many registered voters in this country who feel he is healthy enough to run for president in 2008?

I swear I'm not being fasticious when I say it seems like he's had 5 or 6 heart procedures since 2000. How a man who's been sick as often and seriously as Cheney could be elected president is beyond comprehension.

All this WITHOUT a pellet in his heart! He claims he is not running, I'm sure he wouldn't be nominated.

 

[LakeAriel]

Oh but there are several things that are different here. He was with a woman, not his wife that was many years younger. He swam away, went to a hotel and failed to report the accident until he built a story for himself and the body was discovered. Leaving the scene of an accident is at the least, evading responsibility. He was more than likely drinking, so we have a potential DUI with vehicular manslaughter. Of course, if Ted had driven a Volkswagen instead of an Oldsmobile, he might have been president by now. Check out http://fatboy.cc

Cheney was more then likely drinking also since he didn't even accompany his good friend and victim to the hospital but stayed out of sight till the next day.
Why though, are we talking about Ted Kennedy and what happened 36 years ago? Was he hunting quail with the VP?

 

[Galahad]

Cheney was more then likely drinking also since he didn't even accompany his good friend and victim to the hospital but stayed out of sight till the next day.
Why though, are we talking about Ted Kennedy and what happened 36 years ago? Was he hunting quail with the VP?

We don't know whether either was drinking, do we? All of the witnesses to the VP's accident say he wasn't. I suppose they are all lying?

 

[nwdisgal]

I don't personally care for Cheney, but it is a crappy thing to accidentally hit your hunting mate with a pellet. So from that standpoint I feel sorry for him, because he was probably feeling pretty bad at that point.

 

[LakeAriel]

We don't know whether either was drinking, do we? All of the witnesses to the VP's accident say he wasn't. I suppose they are all lying?

Really? Cheney himself said he had a beer. So they WERE lying?

 

[Galahad]

Really? Cheney himself said he had a beer. So they WERE lying?

Stretch much? FWIW, Cheney said he had a beer several hours earlier. Those AT the hunt said there was no alcohol at the hunt. So again, where they all lying.

 

[TCPluto]

Finding out your Vice-President shot someone in the face with a shotgun can be quite traumatic for some. You never know what feelings are going to bubble to the surface.

So Cheney blasted a friend in the face, by acccident, during a hunting trip, then he told the truth about it.

Clinton blasted an intern in the face, on purpose, then lied about it (under an oath to tell the truth).

Which is more heinous? I think we all know, and politics has nothing to do with it.

 

[LakeAriel]

Which one may die due to the blast? The intern or the lawyer?