No the Magic isn’t gone but it’s at 25%

You are right on the money considering this. I have driven many of those neighborhoods, like out by Davenport. You would not believe the amount of construction going on around Disney. I wonder how many people started working from home and decided to move to Central Florida and work from home?
We stayed offsite in January out of necessity (and sheer cost), I was trying to find locations on AirBNB/VRBO and looking at satellite images to find the general locations - and I was AMAZED at the sheer size of these vacation home neighborhoods and cottage rental communities near the properties - and as you said - all those still under constructions - rows after rows of 5+ bedroom houses that were selling at $1M+ ...
 
We stayed offsite in January out of necessity (and sheer cost), I was trying to find locations on AirBNB/VRBO and looking at satellite images to find the general locations - and I was AMAZED at the sheer size of these vacation home neighborhoods and cottage rental communities near the properties - and as you said - all those still under constructions - rows after rows of 5+ bedroom houses that were selling at $1M+ ...
Yeppers! When the annual passes were on sale between September 8, 2021 to November 21, 2021, just that short time period -- 40% of them were sold to "new" passholders.
 
You are right on the money considering this. I have driven many of those neighborhoods, like out by Davenport. You would not believe the amount of construction going on around Disney. I wonder how many people started working from home and decided to move to Central Florida and work from home?
We actually considered moving (from Atlanta) to the Orlando area for a hot second - but the housing costs near WDW - amongst other reasons made it a bit prohibitive.
 
How about the family about to buy that $25,000,000 house for sale in Windermere, FL just a few minutes from Disney World? Go to Zillow or Redfin and set a minimum price of say, $2,000,000 and then look at all the homes for sale. I think if you categorize all off-site guests as those staying at a "$79 Hojo", then you have very little idea of what is in the neighborhoods around Disney World. For some reason, I see a lot of people assuming the "locals" or those guests who stay off-site are all financially struggling. Trust me, many come from far away who are financially challenged too. Many, many of these "locals" are wealthy people have homes nearby. Many came just to live near Disney and enjoy annual passes. Did you ever think that maybe the reason Disney is having such a problem getting bus drivers, hotel workers and food service workers might be because the cost of housing nearby vastly outstrips the pay scales? Disney World has a whole mix of guests. The on-site guests get enough favors from Disney; they keep coming back. By the way, Disney calls the family staying in the "$79 Hojo" the same name they call the $1k club level GF person who goes to the parks: they are all "guests."
A $25M home or a $100k townhome both give Disney $0 in revenue. The ability to buy an expensive home near Disney should give that person absolutely no advantage in riding rides. Now if that person was to book VIP tours or join Club 33, giving Disney more money than others, than they should absolutely have advantages and perks others don’t have.
 

A $25M home or a $100k townhome both give Disney $0 in revenue. The ability to buy an expensive home near Disney should give that person absolutely no advantage in riding rides. Now if that person was to book VIP tours or join Club 33, giving Disney more money than others, than they should absolutely have advantages and perks others don’t have.
This concept has been discussed to death on other threads. Bottom line: when faced with facts, this argument loses.
 
LOL, that's funny. I guess my 70 y/o husband shouldn't have ridden RRR at Universal? He had a blast, and always rides the coasters. I don't think he's alone in riding coasters at an older age than 40.
Me? I wouldn't ride one if they paid me. Never liked the feeling of falling out of your seat, or the speed.
I said MANY people not ALL people. I was also referring to visiting a coaster park since the person I was replying to loves the big thrill coaster parks. Would your husband like riding 20 coasters in one day or does he like variety like most adults.. Most people of any age can handle a coaster or two a day.
 
Yes comrade haha. I think giving incentives to stay at a more expensive hotel is a good business idea on Disneys end. That being said, technology doesn’t necessarily make the playing field uneven, it’s personal choice to learn a system that everyone has access to, if you don’t want to learn it, that’s on you. Also if they didn’t have ADRs, it would be a blood bath to get a table, and while they’re at it, they should wipe out booking your hotel, or buying tickets ahead, wouldn’t want to give someone an “unfair” advantage
But... it's not just technology. It's technology, stand on your head to learn the crazy rules (which change regularly), and "pay the ransom."

ADRs are already a bloodbath. It's just an online bloodbath. I'd rather it be an in-person "bloodbath."

Booking the hotel is also an online bloodbath. Especially if you're renting DVC points.

It's not that I want it to be a "socialist" system--quite the opposite, actually. I'd rather them increase the price to $200 per day per park if it meant you don't have to stand on your head to figure crap out 3 months in advance and then mash your phone at 7 AM and hope you get your Genie+ and/or boarding group. It's become too complex--there's a certain angle of "let's just go to Disney" that's totally lost with their current system. I miss the spontaneity. Memories were better when they weren't scripted and planned out weeks / months / years in advance.

All of these little "features" that they're adding is simply taking away actual features and marketing them as "improvements."
 
This concept has been discussed to death on other threads. Bottom line: when faced with facts, this argument loses.
On what points does this argument lose? Are you saying offsite locals/guests spend more per day, per entrance to a park than a non-local, once in a lifetime guest?
 
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But... it's not just technology. It's technology, stand on your head to learn the crazy rules (which change regularly), and "pay the ransom."

ADRs are already a bloodbath. It's just an online bloodbath. I'd rather it be an in-person "bloodbath."

Booking the hotel is also an online bloodbath. Especially if you're renting DVC points.

It's not that I want it to be a "socialist" system--quite the opposite, actually. I'd rather them increase the price to $200 per day per park if it meant you don't have to stand on your head to figure crap out 3 months in advance and then mash your phone at 7 AM and hope you get your Genie+ and/or boarding group. It's become too complex--there's a certain angle of "let's just go to Disney" that's totally lost with their current system. I miss the spontaneity. Memories were better when they weren't scripted and planned out weeks / months / years in advance.

All of these little "features" that they're adding is simply taking away actual features and marketing them as "improvements."
You point about the planning is why they went to Genie+. It's unfortunate it doesn't work well. The complaint by your average guest is they didn't like the amount of planning
 
But... it's not just technology. It's technology, stand on your head to learn the crazy rules (which change regularly), and "pay the ransom."

ADRs are already a bloodbath. It's just an online bloodbath. I'd rather it be an in-person "bloodbath."

Booking the hotel is also an online bloodbath. Especially if you're renting DVC points.

It's not that I want it to be a "socialist" system--quite the opposite, actually. I'd rather them increase the price to $200 per day per park if it meant you don't have to stand on your head to figure crap out 3 months in advance and then mash your phone at 7 AM and hope you get your Genie+ and/or boarding group. It's become too complex--there's a certain angle of "let's just go to Disney" that's totally lost with their current system. I miss the spontaneity. Memories were better when they weren't scripted and planned out weeks / months / years in advance.

All of these little "features" that they're adding is simply taking away actual features and marketing them as "improvements.”
Hey if that’s what you want to do more power to you, you can always walk up to a restaurant and ask if they have availability, I assume you have just as good a chance as you would in the scenario you described.

Tech is tech, it’s constantly changing across all manufacturers, not just Disney. Unfortunately that is a side effect of the world we live in now. The 90’s and 00’s are gone and there’s no going back

Renting DVC points really doesn’t apply here, that is firmly out of Disneys hands

i think you’re missing the point that Disney has become too popular for any of those things to come back, unless they limited capacity, which isn’t really a scenario I see them doing. They seem to be a victim of their own popularity
 
I said it was discussed to death on other threads. DISBoards has a search feature.
You said “this argument loses”.

I was not referring to any argument in my response. I was simply saying that peoples income or status should mean absolutely nothing to Disney and that people spending money with Disney should matter. I know people who make way more money than me who stay at value resorts and don’t get genie and I know people who make less money than me who get VIP tours. Their income and financial status means nothing. The amount of money that they give to Disney should result in a different experience.
 
Yep. I'm under 70 yrs old...I get how search works on the internet. I'm asking you what you think.
Good luck with that. What I've found throughout this forum is that people that disagree with you like to make snippy comments, but then refuse to follow it up with an explanation or facts.
 
the only reason i would say probably not, is that the amount of hotels, restaurants, ect that went under would be astronomical in central Florida, and i would assume that the state would step in with something to penalize Disney for even hinting at doing that. that being said, crazier things have happened
If the Reedy Creek Improvement District is dissolved it would change the permitting and approval process to build on-site hotels.
 
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If the Reedy Creek Improvement District is dissolved it would change the permitting and approval process to build on-site hotels.
I wouldn’t get bogged down with that, the counties that Disney resides in can make special exceptions, to accommodate Disney
 
I wouldn’t get bogged down with that, the counties that Disney resides in can make special exceptions, to accommodate Disney
Would agree, I think there is still a lot to be written in this story. I don't see the state of Florida wanting to take on approximately 2 billion in debit by removing Reedy Creek. I suspect they will come to some agreement.
 
I said MANY people not ALL people. I was also referring to visiting a coaster park since the person I was replying to loves the big thrill coaster parks. Would your husband like riding 20 coasters in one day or does he like variety like most adults.. Most people of any age can handle a coaster or two a day.
Why are you so defensive? It's okay who rides what, when, and at what age. There was nothing on that post to put you on the defensive. Have a good day.
 












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