No more segmented vacations for ddp

[DMKEDM]

Seeing walking a reservation called "abusing the system" makes me see so much red I can hardly see anything else!!!!

By me, NOTHING that's within the rules is "abusing"...if walking, or segmenting, or multiple wait lists, or anything else that's totally within the rules causes a problem, then a change in the rules will happen. I may not like the rules; I may not like changes to the rules. But it sure as hades isn't "abuse" to follow the rules!

Have a magical day

 

[going/again]

The DP was made for the entire length of stay, so why should us DVC members be treated any differently than cash paying guests?

Tiger

Cash paying guests can get Free Dining, so your above point is a little mute.

 

[Chuck S]

Cash paying guests can get Free Dining, so your above point is a little mute.

Not ALL cash paying guests get "free dining." They limit the times of year it is available and the number of rooms included in the promo. There are cash guests that pay for the dining plans, and have to follow the length of stay rules. This also includes cash guests that add dining to a discounted AP reservation.

 

[Dean]

Seeing walking a reservation called "abusing the system" makes me see so much red I can hardly see anything else!!!!

By me, NOTHING that's within the rules is "abusing"...if walking, or segmenting, or multiple wait lists, or anything else that's totally within the rules causes a problem, then a change in the rules will happen. I may not like the rules; I may not like changes to the rules. But it sure as hades isn't "abuse" to follow the rules!

Have a magical day

Exactly. IMO both segmenting and walking are unintended consequences as the system as set up and neither are good for either DVC, the membership as a whole or Disney in the long run, however, it's up to them to decide whether or how to prevent or alter those options. Then when they do so you get all this whining.

 

[going/again]

Not ALL cash paying guests get "free dining." They limit the times of year it is available and the number of rooms included in the promo. There are cash guests that pay for the dining plans, and have to follow the length of stay rules. This also includes cash guests that add dining to a discounted AP reservation.

As your replying to me then the answer to the post I replied to, would to be fair DVC members should get Free Dining in the same time frame. he/she made the comparison not me.

 

[Chuck S]

As your replying to me then the answer to the post I replied to, would to be fair DVC members should get Free Dining in the same time frame. he/she made the comparison not me.

Your post mentioned free dining, not the one to which you replied.

Free dining is simply another type of cash room discount, similar to AP discount, FL resident discounts, etc. DVCers are eligible for the free dining promotion if they book it as part of a cash reservation package and follow the applicable rules. Disney will not add free dining to any other room discount (with the exception of a promo available to UK residents.)

DVC rooms are discounted rooms, if they were not, there would be no reason to purchase DVC.

 

[going/again]

Your post mentioned free dining, not the one to which you replied.

Free dining is simply another type of cash room discount, similar to AP discount, FL resident discounts, etc. DVCers are eligible for the free dining promotion if they book it as part of a cash reservation package and follow the applicable rules. Disney will not add free dining to any other room discount (with the exception of a promo available to UK residents.)

DVC rooms are discounted rooms, if they were not, there would be no reason to purchase DVC.

He was suggesting things should be fair,regarding the DP and us DVCers should'nt be treated differantly so I pointed out the Free Dining, I know all about the eligibility to DVCers just pointing it out if he wanted everything to be fair.

Dont really want to get into a discussion with a Moderator, in another thread someone posted that they knew owners caused more damage than renters.

I posted a two word reply one of which was please and got a warning.

 

[disneygrandma]

In a few weeks, I'll be making our resv's for next Sept. We're staying at 2 DVC resorts & I'll be sure to request different resv #'s on them so we won't have any problems if we decide to do the DDP at one of the resorts. I had hoped that we could have had the stays at each resort segmented in a way that would allow us to get the DDP on just a few of the days at each resort. Changing resorts is the way we've done it in the past, but I had hoped to be able to segment the stays under the "new" way which is no longer allowed.

It's too bad that DVC only heard from the people who had a problem with the segmented stays, and not from all the people who loved it. It seems we're always quick to complain, but few people follow thru with the compliments. Oh, I'm sure some did, but the unhappy ones more than likely outweighed the ones that were pleased with the segmented DDP stays.

I still stand by my belief that this was not a "loophole", as all the CM's we dealt with knew the what, why, & how of our segmented stay. (1 resv #, 2 resorts, 1 DXDDP day) I think if we had stayed at one resort only, it still would have been fine. We would have just used the card/key that had the DDP credits on it when we wanted to use them, and use the new key (without DDP credits) for entrance in to the room itself.

 

[disneybride96]

disneybride96, I'm a little confused. Did you have different segments for your time at BLT? What exactly happened? I would think that once you had checked in at CR then you should have been fine during your stay. Did you have a DDP?

We stayed at BLT for 1 night with the DXDDP. Then we moved to VWL for 2 nights with no DDP. The CM's at both resorts confirmed everything with us. We used our BLT keys on the 2nd day for DDP credits. And used our VWL keys for the room itself. No problems at all. We're really sad this is ending. We had hoped to do the segmenting on a trip next Sept.

My point exactly. One reservation number, two resorts w/DDP. No special segmentations.
Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been an easy, but CR could never get the dining plan put on our original reservations. Hade to charge two meals to a credit card and the spend an hour at guest services to fix it. Not worth the trouble.

 

[Dean]

I still stand by my belief that this was not a "loophole", as all the CM's we dealt with knew the what, why, & how of our segmented stay. (1 resv #, 2 resorts, 1 DXDDP day) I think if we had stayed at one resort only, it still would have been fine. We would have just used the card/key that had the DDP credits on it when we wanted to use them, and use the new key (without DDP credits) for entrance in to the room itself.

My view is it is a loophole. IMO, there really are only 2 choices in how to look at the segmenting with this question in mind. Either it was sanctioned by the division of WDW that is in charge of dining (which I can't believe they'd actually do) or it's a loophole, no other reasonable choices are viable that I can see. Now it may be a loophole they knew about and decided to look the other way on, but that still make it a loophole. Being able to get different DP options on separate reservations has always been the case. I realize that the one reservation # issue complicated that a bit but didn't change the basics at all.

 

[jarestel]

You can't blame people who know a system well enough to take advantage of "loopholes". Those who take time to understand how rules can be manipulated to their advantage are simply making the most of a situation.

Conversely, if the "loopholes" are subsequently closed, one shouldn't feel unfairly singled out. It's just a case of "back to the drawing board" to see how the new rules may be applied for maximum benefit.

 

[Dean]

You can't blame people who know a system well enough to take advantage of "loopholes". Those who take time to understand how rules can be manipulated to their advantage are simply making the most of a situation.

Conversely, if the "loopholes" are subsequently closed, one shouldn't feel unfairly singled out. It's just a case of "back to the drawing board" to see how the new rules may be applied for maximum benefit.

100% agree on both points. In the case of segmenting, any blame (and there is a fair amount warranted) should go to DVC and Disney for allowing it. No one has a right to be upset if it is stopped. The only situation where I think blame is warranted is for those that are ALREADY segmented, I think they should be allowed to add currently existing plans. It's just like the valet issue. The decision was 100% on target to stop it but a modest adjustment period (maybe 2 weeks) should have been implemented and other members notified accordingly.

 

[lilpooh108]

Hi everyone ~

I have to admit that I read just the 1st page and skipped everything in between. Here's my question...

We have an upcoming October trip for 4 nights, segmented 2 nights and 2 nights. We have already bought and paid for DxDP for the first 2 nights. Is this still effective (as in, will I get to segment when I'm there), or will the recent rule change some how affect my reservation?

I'd call up and ask but from experience I know that MS is often inconsistent in answering questions. Thought I ask the DVC experts first.

Thanks!

 

[hmmerr02]

Hi everyone ~

I have to admit that I read just the 1st page and skipped everything in between. Here's my question...

We have an upcoming October trip for 4 nights, segmented 2 nights and 2 nights. We have already bought and paid for DxDP for the first 2 nights. Is this still effective (as in, will I get to segment when I'm there), or will the recent rule change some how affect my reservation?

I'd call up and ask but from experience I know that MS is often inconsistent in answering questions. Thought I ask the DVC experts first.

Thanks!

From what DVC told me it sounds like they have people reaching out to guests who currently have segments. What I was unclear on is whether or not they are just advising you of possible issues or asking you to to "desegment".

As for some of the other conversations going on....I think the big problem is one we have all experienced before. The DVC system and the resort and restaurant systems are two totally different ones. The systems within the resorts which keep track of room charges, dining credits, housekeeping, etc are subject to how DVC books the room. Since they have been having so many problems some resorts have been changing the booking or in some cases DVC has been breaking a segmented reservation into separate reservations. That was what happened to me. My segmented stay ended up being split into a total nightmare to try to "fix" some onsite problems and they created a while host of others.

Anyway...the systems aren't compatible....just like when you would like to combine two nights of points and two nights of an AP discount....can't do it because the CRO system can't talk to the DVC one. Have to book separately and deal with it onsite.

Aaahhhhh

 

[mikeweider1]

Even without segmented dining reservations couldn't you call at 11/7 and book two nights on DxDP and then call back 2 days later and book two more nights in same resort & room class for regular DP? I realize that "might" cause you to have to change rooms but it would be possible to DxDP and regular DP if you simply booked two reservations...

 

[tjkraz]

Even without segmented dining reservations couldn't you call at 11/7 and book two nights on DxDP and then call back 2 days later and book two more nights in same resort & room class for regular DP? I realize that "might" cause you to have to change rooms but it would be possible to DxDP and regular DP if you simply booked two reservations...

I would say it depends upon your ability to find a Cast Member willing to bend the rules.

Is the software technically capable of doing what you describe? Yes.

But it also goes against the established rules and guidelines which now state that the same DDP option must be tied to all consecutive nights of a stay in the same resort / room class.

 

[DisneyaholicRaquel]

So, I have 1 night at AK then 4 nights at BWV...both reservations have the same #. Can I put DDP on the 1 nighter only?

 

[twinklebug]

So, I have 1 night at AK then 4 nights at BWV...both reservations have the same #. Can I put DDP on the 1 nighter only?

You'd be best off to call and find out. It's been reported as both yes (for the most part) and no (from a few) from what I'm reading here.

I'm waiting until the storm clouds clear and Disney has a solid idea of the direction they're going with this before calling about it (if I call at all that is - still in the air as to whether it would make any sense for us to add.)

 

[ftballfan7]

I have moved on from my disapointment with how these changes have affected our plans for our upcoming "no-kids vacation" . I am back to just looking forward to my getaway with my beautiful bride(of 18 years)! It is what it is.

I think booking the second DVC week of next August's Florida vacation extravaganza has helped considerably. A week at AKV (possibly changed to OKW at the 7th month mark as we have never stayed there), followed by 5 days at the Hard Rock Hotel at Universal (never stayed onsite there), and finished with a week at AKV! This will take place just before our oldest son starts his senior year of high school. Can't wait for either vacation!

 

[Grumpy Grandma]

I have moved on from my disapointment with how these changes have affected our plans for our upcoming "no-kids vacation" . I am back to just looking forward to my getaway with my beautiful bride(of 18 years)! It is what it is.

I think booking the second DVC week of next August's Florida vacation extravaganza has helped considerably. A week at AKV (possibly changed to OKW at the 7th month mark as we have never stayed there), followed by 5 days at the Hard Rock Hotel at Universal (never stayed onsite there), and finished with a week at AKV! This will take place just before our oldest son starts his senior year of high school. Can't wait for either vacation!

Sounds like you have two wonderful vacations planned! Have fun!