No more 'cuts in line' for many disabled Knott's guests

[breezy1077]

Sickening. As for children with Autism few actually have autism it is the Disease of the day just like ADD/ADHD was in the 90's. Everyone and their brother has a kid who has autism or is "on the spectrum". For those who truly have it I am sorry but again people want an excuse for their childrens undisciplined behaviour and it's become the "disease of the day" there for discounting those poor children that do actually have it.

Just as I thought . Enjoy your little fun...as PP said....sickening.

 

[KPeveler]

I do know what I'm talking about. We have 322 students in our school 87 are put at "autistic" or "on the spectrum" I have a cousin who is truly autistic and I'll tell you 3/4 of these other kids are not even close. Around here it's the "DOTD" even the School Nurse says so.

your school nurse needs to not say such hateful things.

ok, i hate to explain what i feel is obvious, but autism is in fact, a SPECTRUM. this means that there is a wide range of problems and manifestations. your cousin is on a different part of the "spectrum" as other kids.

i dont think you realize the can of worms you have just opened...

 

[In a hurry]

Just as I thought . Enjoy your little fun...as PP said....sickening.

I'll take back my statement. The OP is not compassionate. I do believe that most on the thread have been, however.

 

[OneLittleSpark]

I do know what I'm talking about. We have 322 students in our school 87 are put at "autistic" or "on the spectrum" I have a cousin who is truly autistic and I'll tell you 3/4 of these other kids are not even close. Around here it's the "DOTD" even the School Nurse says so.

Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't realise you had mind-reading capabilities! Also, if the school nurse backs you up, it must be true.

They're called "Autistic Spectrum Disorders" for a reason: because it affects and limits each person differently.

 

[breezy1077]

I'll take back my statement. The OP is not compassionate. I do believe that most on the thread have been, however.

Thank you. I thought I had it pegged by her OP

 

[OneLittleSpark]

I'll take back my statement. The OP is not compassionate. I do believe that most on the thread have been, however.

Yes, this thread is going a lot better than some others I have seen along these lines. Thank you so much to all the people who have let those of us affected by disabilities speak our views, and discuss this subject in an adult manner.

 

[MandM-Mom]

I do know what I'm talking about. We have 322 students in our school 87 are put at "autistic" or "on the spectrum" I have a cousin who is truly autistic and I'll tell you 3/4 of these other kids are not even close. Around here it's the "DOTD" even the School Nurse says so.

I am very sorry your school nurse is as uneducated as yourself. You seem very bitter and for that I feel sorry for you

 

[disney kid at heart]

Huh? Your post makes little sense.

I believe that nearly everyone has been very compassionate.

If you read what I posted you'd see it was right after I started reading the thread after the op posted. I am still trying to catch up, I'm on pg 9

 

[In a hurry]

If you read what I posted you'd see it was right after I started reading the thread after the op posted. I am still trying to catch up, I'm on pg 9

Missed where you stated that.

I hope that you notice that most people want the people with needs to have the accessibility required by law. They just are frustrated with the abusers.

Excluding the OP.

 

[In a hurry]

I am very sorry your school nurse is as uneducated as yourself. You seem very bitter and for that I feel sorry for you

Well, you know, school nurses are so much better educated than the docs diagnosing.

 

[Mom2Nick]

I do know what I'm talking about. We have 322 students in our school 87 are put at "autistic" or "on the spectrum" I have a cousin who is truly autistic and I'll tell you 3/4 of these other kids are not even close. Around here it's the "DOTD" even the School Nurse says so.

Are Teachers and School nurses now required to attend medical school just like Doctors so they can effectively determine on their own which kids "deserve" that label and which ones do not?????

 

[Biscuitsmom31]

I do know what I'm talking about. We have 322 students in our school 87 are put at "autistic" or "on the spectrum" I have a cousin who is truly autistic and I'll tell you 3/4 of these other kids are not even close. Around here it's the "DOTD" even the School Nurse says so.

The thing about that is there is such a wide range on the "spectrum" that it encompasses a lot of different types of kids. My son is diagnosed with the DOTD. I don't think it really matters what we call it. He's had these issues for as long as I can remember and we have to deal with them regardless of what he is diagnosed with.

One point I would like to make is that it comes across to me, that it is assumed that you will want a GAC or other accomodation for any kind of problem you have. That isn't true. There are many of us out there with serious physical conditions that never ask for anything. I have never requested any accomodations for my DS. He can walk and get on the rides and doesn't really require anything. I myself have severe rheumatoid arthritis. I've had it for nearly 10 years now and I've gone through every approved drug available and none of them have helped for any extended amount of time. I never ask for any accomodations either. I don't feel like I need them. (I speak only for myself on this.)

Perhaps my view is impacted by the fact that my DH has issues that make mine and DS's pale in comparison. So, it does make it hard to see people try to take advantage of what they see as a perk for the disabled. However, I don't think they would do it more than once...because there really isn't any extra benefit.

 

[TwinsinCA]

It's a perfectly valid question, but no, this law only applies to getting equal access. H/A parking spaces, social security, etc are considered 'above and beyond' equal access, so they do require proof. To board a ride with a wheelchair, or use a GAC to get the help you need, is considered as giving equal access. Of course, if Disney were to go around giving out 'front of the line' passes to anyone with a disability, they could then ask for proof, but they only give front of line passes to Wish kids (which I have no objections to whatsoever).

EDIT: K, you beat me to it! lol. Good to see you around, by the way!

Thanks to you and the PP for the explanation about the placards.

At WDW having a wheelchair/ECV is not getting you on anything any faster. MAW will get you on immediately. Where does the GAC fall in comparison?

Like someone else mentioned, at the Indy ride having a wheelchair will often get you on the ride faster. There are several rides like this at DL -- Mr. Toad, Peter Pan, Alice, Pirates, Small World, etc.. Many times I have seen people enter through the exit and get right on the ride. I understand they can't go through the line because of the way it is built, but avoiding that is also allowing them to avoid the wait which IS an advantage. It really doesn't seem any different to me than getting a preferred parking space. Given that, why is that still protected under the ADA "no proof required" law? Once this stops being equal and becomes a benefit, there should be some proof of need required.

Just as I don't mind people getting closer parking spaces, I don't mind people getting on a ride before me. But when it is an advantage, there should be some sort of proof of legitimate need required. I really don't think that is unreasonable.

I know this is not the case at WDW because of the way the lines are set up. But at DL there IS a difference.

 

[KPeveler]

Thanks to you and the PP for the explanation about the placards.

At WDW having a wheelchair/ECV is not getting you on anything any faster. MAW will get you on immediately. Where does the GAC fall in comparison?

Like someone else mentioned, at the Indy ride having a wheelchair will often get you on the ride faster. There are several rides like this at DL -- Mr. Toad, Peter Pan, Alice, Pirates, Small World, etc.. Many times I have seen people enter through the exit and get right on the ride. I understand they can't go through the line because of the way it is built, but avoiding that is also allowing them to avoid the wait which IS an advantage. It really doesn't seem any different to me than getting a preferred parking space. Given that, why is that still protected under the ADA "no proof required" law? Once this stops being equal and becomes a benefit, there should be some proof of need required.

Just as I don't mind people getting closer parking spaces, I don't mind people getting on a ride before me. But when it is an advantage, there should be some sort of proof of legitimate need required. I really don't think that is unreasonable.

I know this is not the case at WDW because of the way the lines are set up. But at DL there IS a difference.

I dunno about DL as I havent been there, but in WDW, it may seem an advantage, but that is because THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE. for parking spaces, there ARE alternatives (like the regular spots). however, at Splash Mountain in Disney, I cant do stairs in my WC. just not an option, so therefore i must go around the stairs through the exit. if i wanted to go through the exit on soarin, which is fully accessible, that would be "special" or "extra" access and has different rules.

i do not use a GAC, so i dont know really much about how it works, other than what is on the website...

 

[Stella3]

Yes, this thread is going a lot better than some others I have seen along these lines. Thank you so much to all the people who have let those of us affected by disabilities speak our views, and discuss this subject in an adult manner.

I thought the discussion was going well too, but then I saw this post by you:
http://disboards.com/showpost.php?p=25879571&postcount=19

Why not say what you really feel?

 

[disneymom3]

How can you tell who is abusing the system and who isn't? What gives you the right to decide whether I am 'worthy' of getting wheelchair access to a ride, or am just lazy?!

OK, I hadn't seen this bit before! Now I'm getting just a little bit scared. Yes, there are more diagnoses of Autism nowedays, it's because people understand the condition better. There are also more diagnoses of Fibromyalgia, does that mean that I'm faking it?!

You with your fibro, my with MS--it is being diagnosed more these days too. Increased odds of getting it these last several years but that's not because more people have it, it's because they can now FIND it. Apparently neither of us will qualify as deserving unless we are visible enough for the OP. My brother uses a cane now--he has MS too--but he used to be in a wheelchair unless he was in bed. We have all been really proud of him but I didn't realize we were supposed to now assume he could handle the hills with the best of them. How stupid.

 

[Chuck S]

At WDW having a wheelchair/ECV is not getting you on anything any faster. MAW will get you on immediately. Where does the GAC fall in comparison?

My understanding is a GAC is not for quick access to rides, but allows for special needs to be addressed that are not the "standard" mobility issues that can be met by use of wheelchairs of ECVs.

For instance, someone especially susceptible to heat, maybe because their body can not sweat properly, is allowed to wait in an air conditioned or shaded waiting area. This would also work for some special needs children who may "freak out" or feel threatened by large crowds. They likely don't get on the ride faster, just wait for their turn in a quieter place.

In short, a GAC will address special individual needs, other than mobility issues.

 

[KPeveler]

I thought the discussion was going well too, but then I saw this post by you:
http://disboards.com/showpost.php?p=25879571&postcount=19

Why not say what you really feel?

you REALLY dont want us to say what we really feel. We alert people sometimes about threads where we feel the opinions of the disabled may help out in the education of those who do not know that much about disabilities...

you REALLY dont want us to say what we are thinking, because it often will not be polite or kind. just like some people here have not been kind... sometimes we vent, but you notice we did not do it here, where we are trying to educate people...

what I really think is that people need to get OVER themselves and be grateful they are not disabled and realize they are petty and unkind when they complain about having to wait 5 more minutes for a person with a disability to get on a ride or a bus...

but that is not productive nor is it PC or kind. so please dont be petty and understand why we need to vent sometimes...

 

[Toot Sweet]

In December I went to WDW with my family (DH and three DD's). I have heel spurs/Planters Fasciitis, which is usually under control with cortizone shots and medication. But that trip I was hobbling around in AGONY. The last two days I was in tears and my DH finally got me a wheelchair.

My thoughts: There was a lot less waiting-in-line time, I'm not gonna lie...it was NICE! However, riding around in a wheelchair sucks. Maneuvering through the crowds is difficult and awkward. I would much rather have had two sound walking appendages and stood in line like I normally did. It does not bother me if wheelchair bound people don't have to wait in line like everyone else. I do, however, think Disney needs to enforce the "up to five" persons accompanying them.

 

[sha_lyn]

I thought the discussion was going well too, but then I saw this post by you:
http://disboards.com/showpost.php?p=25879571&postcount=19

Why not say what you really feel?

Wow how very adult of you (NOT) to go searching on the DISability board for post reguarding this thread.

Why not post a link to the entire thread
http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1866692
Or do you not want everyone to know just how this thread is affecting some posters?