No expiration gone, what is going to be next for Disney tickets?

I just don't see that as that big of a deal. Assuming a family of 10 buys 5 ride tickets and 5 "park" tickets, no matter how that gets swapped around only 5 people can ride at a time. The problem is that Disney now has to scan everybody onto each ride but they're doing that anyway with FP+ now.

I'm trying to figure out if there's someway that could be gamed though - I can't see scammers buying more expensive ride tickets to trade for cheaper park tickets. I guess guests leaving early could give away their ride tickets to park only goers but I don't have a problem with that ether. I can see people paying for multiple tickets per day to score extra FP+ but, honestly, I don't have a problem with that. If anything that would cut down on the crowds.

Wow really? You don't see 10 people sharing 5 tickets as a big deal? That would be theft of services. Not only are you cheating Disney out of proper admission, you're cheating fellow park-goers who are honest enough to pay full admission for their entire party.
 
Wow really? You don't see 10 people sharing 5 tickets as a big deal? That would be theft of services. Not only are you cheating Disney out of proper admission, you're cheating fellow park-goers who are honest enough to pay full admission for their entire party.

How is this different than the old ticket book system? You could buy a book that included park admission, and a set number of attraction tickets. If Mom, Dad, Johnny and Sally all had ticket books, and Mom user just her admission and gave all the E tickets to Johnny and Sally to re-ride, is that wrong?
 
How is this different than the old ticket book system? You could buy a book that included park admission, and a set number of attraction tickets. If Mom, Dad, Johnny and Sally all had ticket books, and Mom user just her admission and gave all the E tickets to Johnny and Sally to re-ride, is that wrong?
No, because you're still paying for the same number of rides, regardless of who is using them. If you have 10 family members buying one ticket book each, you're still getting X number of rides, whether one person uses all the tickets or they're divided evenly between each family member. The best current example of what you propose is the dining plan: a family of 4 on the DDP for 10 days gets 10 snacks, 10 QS, 10 TS. Johnny can use all 10 of those snacks if he wants, or each person can get 10 snacks. You're still paying for the same amount of snacks.

In the example I gave you're paying for half as many people to ride. Not the same.
 
Wow really? You don't see 10 people sharing 5 tickets as a big deal? That would be theft of services. Not only are you cheating Disney out of proper admission, you're cheating fellow park-goers who are honest enough to pay full admission for their entire party.

I do not think the idea would work for all sorts of reasons but I follow Skywise's logic. If I purchase a ticket I can essentially go on rides non-stop from open to close. If I bought one ticket for rides and one to simply enter the park with a friend even if I switched with my friend we could never be on a ride at the same time. Thus even if we both wanted to ride rides all day we could not because we would have to split the use. Does everyone ride non-stop all day..usually not. Would people choose this option to save money? probably.

When you buy a book of tickets you are purchasing the number of rides you can go on. When you purchase a ticket to a park these days you are purchasing the right to go on all the rides all day long as many times as you care to. So technically Skywise has a point. You would not be able to ride any more rides that you were "entitled" to because you are entitled to ride all day. Share a ticket with someone else you have simply cut down on that. Again It would be crazy and an overall bad idea but essentially correct.
 
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Agree. I've never understood why Disney allowed (allows?) people to buy tickets as "futures".
They offered them because back in the 70's thru part of the 90's any ticket you bought was non-expirational. They were good forever. Why wouldn't they be? You paid for them didn't you? If you bought a 5 day ticket and only used 3 of them, for whatever reason, why is alright for Disney to take my money and never give me anything in return for it unless I pay them extra. I know I may think in simple terms, but, to me that is stealing from me. They get my money and get to keep it and I get nothing.

In simple terms, if I bought 5 days for $300.00 (est.) that would be $60.00 per day (I don't care how they stair-step it, that is what I am paying. Now if the whether is bad or something happens that forces you to leave early and can only use 3 days of that, then the value of those two missing days is $120.00 of my money that they get to keep. There used to be a lot of old Snake Oil Salesmen that worked under the same system.
 
They offered them because back in the 70's thru part of the 90's any ticket you bought was non-expirational. They were good forever. Why wouldn't they be? You paid for them didn't you? If you bought a 5 day ticket and only used 3 of them, for whatever reason, why is alright for Disney to take my money and never give me anything in return for it unless I pay them extra.
I guess I am talking about something different. Rather than use a few days and want to keep your embedded value in the balance, I am talking about buying a 5 day pass for $140 way back when and then tucking them away for future use. If I were Disney, I'd allow you to tuck those away, but when you go to use them the first time in 2020 when a 5 day pass costs $450, I'd give you your $140 in credit but make you pay the difference to get a new 5 day pass. Just like at DLR, if you bought a 5 day pass in 1989 for $75, I wouldn't let you use that pass for 5 days now with no further payment. Right now, you could. But if I were Disney, I'd put an end to this. You should have a reasonable amount if time to use those passes at face value. But not 15 years.
 
Now that Disney has pulled the no expiration option, (because it hurt their bottom line) how long do you think it will be before they will sell them like they do the tickets to Disneyland? :rolleyes: Expiring in one year, I believe? What say you?
I honestly doubt it hurt their bottom line. In the big picture the percentage of people buying non expiring option was so minimal that it was phased out due to lack of purchases of the non-expiring option.
 
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I guess I am talking about something different. Rather than use a few days and want to keep your embedded value in the balance, I am talking about buying a 5 day pass for $140 way back when and then tucking them away for future use. If I were Disney, I'd allow you to tuck those away, but when you go to use them the first time in 2020 when a 5 day pass costs $450, I'd give you your $140 in credit but make you pay the difference to get a new 5 day pass. Just like at DLR, if you bought a 5 day pass in 1989 for $75, I wouldn't let you use that pass for 5 days now with no further payment. Right now, you could. But if I were Disney, I'd put an end to this. You should have a reasonable amount if time to use those passes at face value. But not 15 years.
OK, but they didn't just tuck that $140.00 in a box under the bed. They made money off it, either in the terms of interest or investment. Shouldn't I get to share that as well? I understand why they are doing what they are doing, I just think that the only people that they are interested in is themselves. There was a time when Disney cared enough about their Guests, and knew that if you got them to come back because they had unused tickets you could sell them a lot more in other things because they didn't have the immediate expense of buying a ticket, they just used there old one that they had previously paid for. I doubt if ticket prices cover even a quarter of their overall expenses. It's the other high profit stuff that makes them wealthy.
 
It would not surprise me that at some point they squeeze out the ticket discounters like Undercover Tourist. Your only option would be to buy directly from Disney without any possibility of a discount.
 
OK, but they didn't just tuck that $140.00 in a box under the bed. They made money off it, either in the terms of interest or investment.
Depends on what year you bought your tickets. In many years, Disney woukd have lost your $140.:crazy2:
 
Agree. I've never understood why Disney allowed (allows?) people to buy tickets as "futures".

Look up present value of money. Because of inflation, money on hand today is worth more then money received in the future.

Also money used to buy wdw tickets today can't be used to buy universal tickets in the future.
 
OK, but they didn't just tuck that $140.00 in a box under the bed. They made money off it, either in the terms of interest or investment. Shouldn't I get to share that as well? I understand why they are doing what they are doing, I just think that the only people that they are interested in is themselves. There was a time when Disney cared enough about their Guests, and knew that if you got them to come back because they had unused tickets you could sell them a lot more in other things because they didn't have the immediate expense of buying a ticket, they just used there old one that they had previously paid for. I doubt if ticket prices cover even a quarter of their overall expenses. It's the other high profit stuff that makes them wealthy.
A corporation interested in themselves? That's crazy talk!

If you want "your share" of interest or investment in Disney, buy stock, not tickets.
 
The next big change will be the next price increase.

;)
 
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I honestly doubt it hurt their bottom line. In the big picture the percentage of people buying non expiring option was so minimal that it was phased out due to lack of purchases of the non-expiring option.


If it was due to a lack of purchases , then perhaps THAT was due to the fact that for the past 2+ Years Disney completely removed this option from all their signage and literature! They WANTED people to forget about it, and for those of us who did know about it, they made it more and more challenging to obtain them. Over 2 years ago I was given a very polite BUT difficult time when I tried to upgrade to this option, I was told they don't really do that anymore. Now I politely protested and did get the upgrade, but the cast member made me feel like I was stealing from them(in a very polite way ;)). It made me wonder how many people just accepted their first "no" as fact and walked away without this feature. Listen, I love Disney, and I'm sure that non expiring tix were not killing their bottom line, but I will say that those 10 day PH waterpark non expiring tix saved me between $1154-1516 off of what I would have paid for either 1 day or 2day tickets and WP tix.....and that does NOT take into account savings on future price increases! Anyway you look at it that's a lot of money out of their pocket. I do stay in their hotels, buy their party tickets, eat their food, and buy too many Disney "memories" , but at this time they don't care...they want the guest who will come for 7-10 days and SPEND even if it's a once in a lifetime trip. They currently don't seem to care about their repeat visitors. Refurbs are not being taken care of the way they should because they can't take down an attraction for too long or it will affect a once in a lifetime trip....never mind that many features of the ride are not working properly or that things are starting to look rough around the edges. It IS a business, and that's about $, but it also used to be a business that cared about the guest and their experiences., and as a result WE became repeat visitors...over and over again, and that translated into $$$$$$! They ve lost the Disney Way - they need someone to run these parks again who cares about the WHOLE picture and what this was all about to begin with, and they will reap even BIGGER $$$. It would be a win for everyone. They ve lost their heart, but we tend to forget that when we lose our hearts watching our little ones take in the magic, and for that we will continue to fork over $$$$$$$$$.

Honest to God...I LOVE Disney, and I am not a cynical person. I'm happy and optimistic ....Im just disappointed at the course that Disney has been on lately. A LOT less everything for a LOT more money. I really wish that a member of the Disney family was still in a position to have at least some influence into what made Disney so special to begin with. Does anyone in corporate really care what Walt would think? Unlikely, and I understand, after all it's just a business.


All that being said....I will be back ....over and over again cuz I still love being in both DL and WDW, I just hope they start to put a lil more care into them, because I do love them.


Ok ...rant over. :rotfl:
 
Look up present value of money. Because of inflation, money on hand today is worth more then money received in the future.

Also money used to buy wdw tickets today can't be used to buy universal tickets in the future.
It's not the same thing. Do you really think that Disney would be happy if a million people showed up this year with unused day passes from 1978 and got into the Magic Kingdom without paying any additional money? Do you think the accountants would be dancing a jig because Disney had the use of a million people's $12 for all these years? That won't pay this year's bills. That money was already put to use. Disney wants $100,000,000 in new money from these guests.
 
If a million guests show up this year with unused 1978 day passes, still about seventeen million will visit with recently bought tickets..

I don't think the accountants are losing any sleep.
 
We've done it - when we've had APs and wanted to get 'free dining'. So we get the free dining promo and buy the required 1 or 2 day tickets and save them. Then when we need to renew our APs (we do let several months go by so not renewing in their timeframe) - we use the tickets and upgrade them to APs.

Not saying there's a thing wrong with how you did this, there isn't- But yours is another example of hidden ways an non-expiring pass cost WDW. You buy tickets and get free dining, then later on, get a virtual refund on those tickets. It's a smart use of the system that was costly to Disney.

"Too many people are dishonest. I guarantee you just like people bring extra MBs to the park to get FPs they're not entitled to, they would do sneaky things like only buy ride tickets for half their family and then spend the day switching bands back and forth."

Exactly right. It didn't take some people long to figure out how to game the FP+ system. This idea is just more abuse waiting to happen. When people complain about things being taken away or losing perks, quite often you can look to those who found ways to cheat their way around whatever it was they took away. Transportation at DTD cutbacks, free dining cutbacks- there's a long list of things we used to have that went away because if some people can cheat, they will.
 
One advantage Disney gets by discontinuing nonexpiring tickets is not having to keep ticket data on the books for long periods of time to prove how many days you have remaining on your tickets.

I suppose we will no longer be able to add more days or add water park fun to non-expiring tickets we already own; that could prolong the time that Disney needs to keep those tickets on the books. Also, the general rule is that you cannot upgrade into a ticket that is no longer being sold.
 
They did not bridge my friends ticket when she upgraded her granddaughter's last night. I should have told her to wait. We did wait to upgrade her ticket to annual pass. Cast member stated no more bridging. I know last year there was an issue with some places bridging and some not right after the price increase last year. We have four days until we need to do our upgrade. If people are having success we will be more persistent

I am happy to report that the tickets were bridged and my friend received refund.
 
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In simple terms, if I bought 5 days for $300.00 (est.) that would be $60.00 per day (I don't care how they stair-step it, that is what I am paying. Now if the whether is bad or something happens that forces you to leave early and can only use 3 days of that, then the value of those two missing days is $120.00 of my money that they get to keep. There used to be a lot of old Snake Oil Salesmen that worked under the same system.
If your personal emergency or Disney's shutdown left your tickets partially unused, Disney has handled these situations on a case by case basis. Commonly, Disney has issued comp tickets for the unused days, as if to let you postpone the rest of your vacation to some arbitrary future date of your choice. There was a catch, the comp tickets could not be upgraded. Any extending of the postponed vacation fragment when taken would have required use of additional separately acquired tickets.
They did not bridge my friends ticket when she upgraded her granddaughter's last night. I should have told her to wait. We did wait to upgrade her ticket to annual pass. Cast member stated no more bridging. I know last year there was an issue with some places bridging and some not right after the price increase last year. We have four days until we need to do our upgrade. If people are having success we will be more persistent
Rules may not be made or applied capriciously. If bridging was done for others both shortly before and shortly after your friend did her upgrade then Disney should recompute her transaction after the fact, even after she wrote for a refund after she returned home.

At this juncture is is questionable whether bridging applies to previously purchased non-expiring tickets, since there is no gate price for these ticket types today.
It's not the same thing. Do you really think that Disney would be happy if a million people showed up this year with unused day passes from 1978 and got into the Magic Kingdom without paying any additional money? Do you think the accountants would be dancing a jig because Disney had the use of a million people's $12 for all these years? That won't pay this year's bills. That money was already put to use. Disney wants $100,000,000 in new money from these guests.
Ticket booth agents would dutifully exchange the unused 1978 or so vintage day tickets for current tickets with equal or greater entitlement to the guest for each and every attribute of the ticket. For pre-1982 (pre-Epcot, pre-pay-one-price) ticket books surrendered, Disney could stamp the front page "void" and sell the books individually in the gift shop for about $19.95 each, or sell them unadulterated in the gift shop for about $109.95 (a little more than equivalent ticket gate price) each. Or discontinue the cast membership of someone who embezzled one of the collected old tickets for personal gain via eBay sale. Post-1981 tickets would probably be exchanged for park hoppers since back then the standard tickets were valid for both Magic Kingdom and Epcot including on the same day.
 
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