No Chanting From The 15s/AKA "The Sounds Of Silence"

If Disney is truly serious about tackling the causes of lower attendance in July, the Imagineers better get busy finishing that weather control machine to make the Florida summers feel like October - December. Really though - I doubt any appreciable number of people have stayed away in the summer because of these groups (who show up at other times of the year as well). Many other (and better) reasons to explain the lower attendance.

Agree with another PP that this is more appropriate for the Rumors board.
 
Could also have to do with the value of the dollar increasing tremendously this year over South American currency and there arent many groups there. I know the Brazilian Real is almost $4 - $1 this year, compared to around $2.50 just a couple of years ago. Even Euros have practically no strength over the USD anymore, at only around $1.15 (which is the highest its been in years, but still nowhere near the $1.50 - $1.75 is was years ago.)
 
I've shared my experience elsewhere, but here's the rundown; arrived in WDW on the 5th of July stayed at Pop and there were lots of 15's. Behavior had improved from past run-in's. No chanting in parks, but definitely outside the gates the chant lives on. Only big problem; a group of 3 or 4 of them using Pop's bus leaving EPCOT, so huge wave of them all trying to out-chant each other. If you've not experienced this (and been in the middle of them) and witnessed how uneasy it made other guests then it's hard to imagine what the problem is. After 30 minutes of chanting a CM finally got them to stop because the bus drivers could not communicate with the guests trying to load wheelchairs and scooters. I totally defend their right to be there and it seems they have so much fun, I'm glad for them! Disney and the tour groups need to both understand and enforce the rules.

The only other issue (not their fault really), is the food court situation. When there are several groups in there at once it can and does cause a huge issue as you can't get through them to get items.

IMO the biggest effect they probably have is that it pushes more people to stay in moderate and up hotels to avoid them.
 
I too wonder why people find this objectionable... Who cares if young people in the parks are chanting? Obviously some people do. I suppose if stuck in a long queue with a group chanting incessantly for an hour or more one might become a bit crazed but I have never encountered this.
I personally don’t care about the chanting, except for the rudeness of it when it infringes upon others enjoyment. For example, at HS they would walk by chanting during the Star Wars stage show and then during the fireworks or in MK during the festival of fantasy parade when little kids were trying to call to a princess or character or sometimes during wishes. It was just tough watching people trying to enjoy shows with it.
Otherwise than that, I didn’t mind the chanting and thought 15s were fine.
 

Having fun and enjoying oneself in a group has nothing to do with Disney? I guess we can agree to disagree. Just does not bother me.

Thought it had never happened to you?

I'm so glad that I don't care how other people spend their time on vacation.

When it infringes on the experience of an attraction, a show, when you can't hear yourself think, never mind speak to the person next to you because they are so frigging loud, then you might care. Once, we were trapped in a queue with them. It was horrible.
 
I experienced chanting groups in the Space Mountain queue (sound echoes very loudly in there) late one night. It was a very different cultural experience.

I give it the same reaction as crying baby’s. (Before being a parent, I thought crying children was super annoying) I now smile and think, “this is different, I’m glad this isn’t my everyday life”

I like to pay attention to the general reactions from people of different countries, those are some of the best reactions to shows and fireworks.
 
I'm old school. I believe the right to swing your fist ends at the beginning of my nose. E.g., I would appreciate not being disturbed by obnoxious, too-loud rap music that shakes the ground at the stop light. Likewise, I don't want to listen others' gossipy cell phone conversations during my mani-pedi, and I don't want to be stuck with pointless chanting in the reverberating queue at BTMRR. I do not understand why my fellow travelers can not keep their voices down in the hotel hallways and teach their children that there are indoor voices and outdoor voices and not to confuse the two. I don't understand what sort of entitlement mentality leads one to take flash photographs in rides, despite being told repeatedly not to. But, heck, I don't even understand people that can't refrain from slamming their doors in hotel hallways, or littering, or not wiping their nasty sweat off the equipment at the gym.

I believe that one should do all one can do to NOT disturb others, and to at all times practice the Golden Rule--regardless of one's culture, age, income, or lack of maturity.

For all the yipyap that goes on about tolerance and acceptance, it has been my observation that this is largely one sided; to wit, "it doesn't bother me, therefore why should it bother you?" with the implication being that if one does complain about it, the person issuing the complaint is worthy of quasi-shaming and it is thus inferred that those persons objecting must be intolerant/lacking somehow/just no fun.

Something to ponder, perhaps: Lack of sensitivity to noise/silliness doesn't make one person better than another. It just makes that person less sensitive to noise/silliness---and possibly well suited to be a middle school teacher or church youth group leader. Ha ha.

Just a thought: How about if that "tolerance" and "acceptance of other cultures" extended to that part of world culture that prefers not listening to other people's music, phone conversations, silly chants, or the loud-in-your-face- political opinion expressed in planes, elevators, ride lines and other places where people are trapped together? Just...keep yourself to yourself. We don't all agree. We are never going to. Let's accept that and move on.

Perhaps if we all tried to leave a smaller wave in our wake, we would find the world a more pleasant place.

And Disney? I suppose the 18.42 billion dollar question is: Did the person issuing the complaint about the chanting not also pay to visit your parks? Because, gee, if I didn't know better, I might be lead to believe that consideration for those that object is obviously not a priority of Disney Corp. Gosh. It's almost as if some of us are taken for granted.

If they've changed their policy, that would be a pleasant surprise--- but I somehow doubt they have. FWIW, I would NEVER visit the parks in July because of the 15's--but I doubt Disney cares.

Also FWIW, I have found the best response to rude, obnoxious behavior is to ignore it and remain pleasant. That which cannot be cured must simply be endured.
 
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We were there the 8-13 of this month and while there was very little chanting as they groups walked around, we encountered chanting on rides (especially when it was a dark ride) which was new for us. We usually go in July and have experienced the tour groups every trip. I'd much rather have the chanting as they're walking through the park (which never bothered me) than on the ride where it actually affects my experience.
 
I would agree that if you think it’s really going to bother you to pick another month. I suspect you could be setting yourself up for a self fulfilling prophecy.

This was our first July trip (because it was literally the only week the entire summer we could go). I knew they would be there but admit to not putting too much thought about them one way or the other. As I said, we did not experience anything negative at Pop or in any ride queues at any time.

Would we go in July again? Sure. But June normally works out better so we will probably stick with that.
 
The economy in South America has been very poor, so my guess is that there are less of them visiting currently as well.

Dan
 
I would agree that if you think it’s really going to bother you to pick another month. I suspect you could be setting yourself up for a self fulfilling prophecy.

This was our first July trip (because it was literally the only week the entire summer we could go). I knew they would be there but admit to not putting too much thought about them one way or the other. As I said, we did not experience anything negative at Pop or in any ride queues at any time.

Would we go in July again? Sure. But June normally works out better so we will probably stick with that.

I love how you suggest to pick another month, but then two sentences later say that you don't have any other option. Don't you think others are in the same situation? LOL.

The last few years we've been stuck in August.

Dan
 
I love how you suggest to pick another month, but then two sentences later say that you don't have any other option. Don't you think others are in the same situation? LOL.

The last few years we've been stuck in August.

Dan

I was agreeing with the PP who said he would never go in July because of the tour groups. Clearly he/she had the choice.

We personally had no choice in months this year so we decided not to lament it and were pleasantly surprised with what we encountered.
 
I too wonder why people find this objectionable... Who cares if young people in the parks are chanting? Obviously some people do. I suppose if stuck in a long queue with a group chanting incessantly for an hour or more one might become a bit crazed but I have never encountered this.

Having fun and enjoying oneself in a group has nothing to do with Disney? I guess we can agree to disagree. Just does not bother me.

Yeah..methinks you haven't fully thought out just how disruptive it can be.

Honestly, throwing out "having fun and enjoying oneself" sounds a lot like "boys will be boys", "kids will be kids" viewpoint. Tolerances for things always have a stopping point and when you disrupt safety speels, make so instructions by CMs cannot be heard, interrupt shows/experiences of others (even on busses), form human chains preventing folks from moving around you (something I see even at the mall whenever I brave it lol), etc the tolerance for such behavior drops significantly down.

I personally haven't had a bad experience with tour groups, having only encountered 1 this past September at Universal, but even I can understand how any group of people (no matter if it's tour groups or just a large amount of people in a group) can cause disruption and safety concerns and it has absolutetly nothing to do with 'having fun and enjoying oneself' and a lot more to do with 'I'm not considering how my behavior can impact those around me'.
 
Help me out here ... I have never experienced the chanting that is being spoken of but get the picture, generally. What is meant by "The 15s"? I can gather that it is used to designate South Americans ... not sure where the "15" comes from. Pardon my ignorance but just curious.

I have no problem with teenagers having fun. These parks are for all.

Now if we could just ban the children, or at the very least the strollers, we'll really be in business...

I guessing if I mention the scooters the fur will fly!
 
When you’re trying to watch a show or listen to the instructions being given by a CM and can’t hear AT ALL due to a huge throng of teenagers yelling at the top of their lungs, then IMO you have a right to be irritated. Someone told me once that the groups can’t understand English so they get bored during the shows and keep themselves entertained by chanting. Yes, everyone has a right to have fun but when that impinges upon other people’s right to have an enjoyable experience is where the problem lies. If my family walked around the parks all day screaming at the top of our lungs I’m sure some CM would ask us to stop and I’m sure no one would defend us for just “trying to have fun”.
 
Won't last. CM's won't enforce it. Count me as someone who hates the chanting. Couple of reasons. First, it's distracting from the Disney ambience and background music. Second, it's disrespectful. They are guests, not just of Disney but of the country. If I were to travel abroad I would have the common courtesy to be respectful of the country I was visiting. I expect the same from visitors to our country.
 
And now a total ban.
Someone's not on the same page.

Below is a cut and paste from this year's International Tour Groups "Tell-A-Cast". For those not familiar with Tell-A-Casts, CMs are supposed to have a copy for the park they're working in at all times. This special edition for any CM that wants one, contains pertinent information and helpful tips for CMs to assist them in dealing with International Tour Groups.


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We just got back and only heard one group chanting. A cast member came out of the pirates adventure treasure hunt building and yelled for them to stop. They stopped. It was very nice not to have the chanting going on all the time.
Yes-it has been really amazing to be here this July and compare it to all the others(we have come every July since 2003).

This is the first July that there isn't Chanting around every corner!lol:)

Another reason I think Disney has finally decided to cut out the in-Park Chanting is that the Super Greeters told us that the South American Guests had also been complaining!lol:)

It will be interesting to see how Disney handles in-Park Cheering when the always "cheery"lol Cheer Season arrives!lol:)
 
I know the Brazilian Real is almost $4 - $1 this year, compared to around $2.50 just a couple of years ago.

No doubt-it is the lowest numbers of BTGs we have ever seen in July.

On the other hand,it is the most ATGs we have EVER seen at WDW!

They are EVERYWHERE-there are entire buildings dedicated to them at our resort.

Maybe that is another reason Chanting is at record lows,there aren't enough BTGs to have a good "Chant off" with the ATGs!lol:)
 












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