NFL is nuts

[LBIJim]

Of course, Rice bears no responsibility in losing his job because of what he did, it is all the media's fault.

At least according to his idiot wife.

Yep, it's the media's fault, her fault, the NFL's fault, the Pope's fault, everyone except Rice's fault.

Sounds like it was written by a PR spin doctor. You ain't fooling nobody, Toots.

Sorry, but the cynic in me says she married him because of the $$$$$.
Suspension, possibly indefinite from football? She may drop him like a hot potato now.

Probably the only reason she was with him in the first place was because of his money. Not get married after getting pummeled?! Gasp, she'd probably lose her platinum AMEX card and might have to, ewww, get a job!!! So what's a concussion or two?

As for now, it looks like it's still in her best interests ($$$) to stay with him. But, yeah, if the gravy train runs dry, she might dump him.

This situation is a far cry from that of a battered woman who stays because she is isolated and legitimately fearful for her life if she leaves.

 

[jerseygal]

Ray Rice wife slams media.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...rice-criticizes-media-instagram-post#comments

No SELF RESPECT on her behalf! GUESS SHE SAW some $$$$$...Now what?

She marries this idiot AFTER he beats the cr..... out of her?
They DESERVE each other!

Don't know her background at all, but if she doesn't have one, GET AN EDUCATION and don't RELY on someone elses BUCKS!
"Knowledge" is power and can bring self confidence which will bring SELF RESPECT!

 

[jrmasm]

Ray Rice wife slams media.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...rice-criticizes-media-instagram-post#comments

I feel really badly for him. $25 million is no where near enough payment for working your butt off.

She's looney tunes.

 

[wvjules]

My biggest disappointment over this is that Ray was such a huge supporter of anti-bullying. He always posted anti-bullying stuff on Facebook and had community events. That is why I was such a huge Ray Rice fan.

As for calling the wife ignorant, idiot, gold digger or other names. They were both drunk. She provoked him, hit him, he hit back. As far as we know it was a one time drunken incident. One-time does not make a pattern of abuse. I know I've done some pretty stupid things while under the influence. They also went to counseling. I going to give the couple the benefit of doubt that it was a one time thing and won't happen again.

And with my flame suit on...not this incident in particular but if I were to attack someone, man or woman, I would fully expect to be hit back in retialiation. I don't believe that a man should NEVER hit a woman. (I don't think anyone should hit anyone and that doesn't apply to one genger more than the other if someone is hitting them.) Never is pretty concrete and there are exceptions.

 

[Fortune Cookie]

And with my flame suit on...not this incident in particular but if I were to attack someone, man or woman, I would fully expect to be hit back in retialiation.

Flame suit not needed. I agree with you 100%.

Why are women allowed to abuse men? Why isn't the media talking about her hitting him and charging at him in the elevator? She abused him as well.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

Okay so ban these SOB's as well :

I'd fully support it. The NFL has been known as the national felons league for too long, college and professional athletes get away with rape, murder, and all sorts of violence because of who they are, it's not right. I guarantee had there been no video evidence Ray Rice would still be playing today, the only time a player is truly punished is when the league has absolutely no choice.

I miss spoke, my apologies. He will not be a contestant on DWTS, he is performing. He is also performing on SNL. Its to promote his new album, which comes out this month. Doesn't matter, the fact is, the man is still making money, he is still performing. His lifestyle has not changed.

Which is very sad, the sad truth is as long as there are a lot of people lining up to give their money to these violent criminals and abusers record labels and TV shows will continue to look the other way for the almighty dollar.

Like I said above had it not been for the video forcing their hand Ray Rice would have gotten away with it as well.

 

[JanaDee]

Yep, it's the media's fault, her fault, the NFL's fault, the Pope's fault, everyone except Rice's fault.

Sounds like it was written by a PR spin doctor. You ain't fooling nobody, Toots.

I think with that social media post, she has lost what little public sympathy she had left.

 

[wvjules]

I think with that social media post, she has lost what little public sympathy she had left.

What sympahty? I have heard no sympathic words about her, at least not on here.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

And with my flame suit on...not this incident in particular but if I were to attack someone, man or woman, I would fully expect to be hit back in retialiation. I don't believe that a man should NEVER hit a woman. (I don't think anyone should hit anyone and that doesn't apply to one genger more than the other if someone is hitting them.) Never is pretty concrete and there are exceptions.

I generally agree but to me it's about the size difference. If a 150lb man is getting hit by a 150lb woman fighting back may be his only option to defend himself but when a 250lb man knocks out a 150lb woman there is no excuse, he could easily restrain her so violence isn't needed. To me it's the same as a grown man hitting a 10 year old kid, the kid's actions may deserve getting hit but it isn't right and should never happen, even if the kid is throwing punches, they can be restrained without violence so it isn't necessary.

I feel the same about lopsided fights, if I saw two 200lb guys fighting I wouldn't step in unless someone was unable to defend themselves but if a 200lb guy was whooping on a 98lb guy I'd step in before he was knocked out. The 98lb guy might deserve it but due to the size difference it's not a fair fight.

 

[luvsJack]

I generally agree but to me it's about the size difference. If a 150lb man is getting hit by a 150lb woman fighting back may be his only option to defend himself but when a 250lb man knocks out a 130lb woman there is no excuse, he could easily restrain her so violence isn't needed. To me it's the same as a grown man hitting a 10 year old kid, the kid's actions may deserve getting hit but it isn't right and should never happen, even if the kid is throwing punches, they can be restrained without violence so it isn't necessary.

I feel the same about lopsided fights, if I saw two 200lb guys fighting I wouldn't step in unless someone was unable to defend themselves but if a 200lb guy was whooping on a 98lb guy I'd step in before he was knocked ou. The 98lb guy might deserve it but due to the size difference it's not a fair fight.

There are a lot of 150 lb women that can and do fight like a 250 lb man. Size has nothing to do with it.

She didn't deserve to get knocked out but a person can only take so much before most will strike back. To say "oh well he was wrong because he is bigger" isn't fair to the other party. If she has a pattern of attacking him, do we then blame him because he is bigger and should be able to stop her? Isn't that right back to blaming the victim?

 

[CPT Tripss]

Works for me.

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[usd2bmd]

My biggest disappointment over this is that Ray was such a huge supporter of anti-bullying. He always posted anti-bullying stuff on Facebook and had community events. That is why I was such a huge Ray Rice fan.

As for calling the wife ignorant, idiot, gold digger or other names. They were both drunk. She provoked him, hit him, he hit back. As far as we know it was a one time drunken incident. One-time does not make a pattern of abuse. I know I've done some pretty stupid things while under the influence. They also went to counseling. I going to give the couple the benefit of doubt that it was a one time thing and won't happen again.

And with my flame suit on...not this incident in particular but if I were to attack someone, man or woman, I would fully expect to be hit back in retialiation. I don't believe that a man should NEVER hit a woman. (I don't think anyone should hit anyone and that doesn't apply to one genger more than the other if someone is hitting them.) Never is pretty concrete and there are exceptions.

I may have missed something but who (besides the two of them) can prove they were drunk? Seems to me it would be pretty easy to say "oh, we were drunk. that never happens when we're sober."

If they were, that is the best argument I have ever seen to quit drinking.

Flame suit not needed. I agree with you 100%.

Why are women allowed to abuse men? Why isn't the media talking about her hitting him and charging at him in the elevator? She abused him as well.

The difference here is that he has a clause in his contract (the personal conduct policy) and he violated it. Did she hit him, yup. but did she knock him unconscious and drag him out of the elevator? Not on video. He killed his career, nobody else.

If he wants to have her charged he can...he chose not to.

 

[Robinrs]

I may have missed something but who (besides the two of them) can prove they were drunk? Seems to me it would be pretty easy to say "oh, we were drunk. that never happens when we're sober."

If they were, that is the best argument I have ever seen to quit drinking.



The difference here is that he has a clause in his contract (the personal conduct policy) and he violated it. Did she hit him, yup. but did she knock him unconscious and drag him out of the elevator? Not on video. He killed his career, nobody else.

If he wants to have her charged he can...he chose not to.

 

[Robinrs]

Flame suit not needed. I agree with you 100%.

Why are women allowed to abuse men? Why isn't the media talking about her hitting him and charging at him in the elevator? She abused him as well.

Yes, a 10 year old can come up and hit me and I'd have the right to knock him unconscious, too, on YOUR logic.

He's a muscular football player, her "hit" would've felt like a gnat. He could've KILLED her. There is NO comparison.

Abuse? Puhlease. If someone half my size hit me, I'd know HOW to control them and it would NOT be with hands. There are ways and they are NOT equal.

 

[luvsJack]

Yes, a 10 year old can come up and hit me and I'd have the right to knock him unconscious, too, on YOUR logic.

He's a muscular football player, her "hit" would've felt like a gnat. He could've KILLED her. There is NO comparison.

Abuse? Puhlease. If someone half my size hit me, I'd know HOW to control them and it would NOT be with hands. There are ways and they are NOT equal.

Uhmmm, that would be illegal. You cannot punch a minor. And the minor doesn't have to press charges.

I have known a man that was in an abusive relationship. Size has nothing to do with it. Just like the little worm of a man can abuse his not-so-tiny wife, a woman can abuse a man twice her size.

That is likely not the case here, but it is not impossible.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

There are a lot of 150 lb women that can and do fight like a 250 lb man. Size has nothing to do with it.

She didn't deserve to get knocked out but a person can only take so much before most will strike back. To say "oh well he was wrong because he is bigger" isn't fair to the other party. If she has a pattern of attacking him, do we then blame him because he is bigger and should be able to stop her? Isn't that right back to blaming the victim?

If she has a pattern of attacking him he should walk away or call the police, not hit her back. I'd say the same of a woman if the situation is reversed. Escalating the situation isn't going to solve anything and is most likely going to make it infinitely worse. I'm learning more about abuse from a few threads here and realize that isn't as easy as it sounds but it's the right thing to do.

When I was in my early 20's I lived with my girlfriend and we would have massive arguments, she'd throw things and get in my face and several times I was so close to snapping I told her if I didn't leave I was going to do or say something we'd both regret, I'd walk around the complex, give us both time to calm down and gather our thoughts and we'd talk about it with cooler heads. One time she stood in the door so I couldn't leave and was basically daring me to hit her, I've never felt my blood boil like that before and I ended up jumping off the 2nd floor balcony to get out of the apartment, that was the end of our relationship, I came back the next day and told her she could pack or I would pack but it was over. That was the closest I've ever been to my breaking point and I'm proud of how I reacted, short of my life being at risk I will never see justification to hit a woman.

 

[luvsJack]

If she has a pattern of attacking him he should walk away or call the police, not hit her back. I'd say the same of a woman if the situation is reversed. Escalating the situation isn't going to solve anything and is most likely going to make it infinitely worse. I'm learning more about abuse from a few threads here and realize that isn't as easy as it sounds but it's the right thing to do.

When I was in my early 20's I lived with my girlfriend and we would have massive arguments, she'd throw things and get in my face and several times I was so close to snapping I told her if I didn't leave I was going to do or say something we'd both regret, I'd walk around the complex, give us both time to calm down and gather our thoughts and we'd talk about it with cooler heads. One time she stood in the door so I couldn't leave and was basically daring me to hit her, I've never felt my blood boil like that before and I ended up jumping off the 2nd floor balcony to get out of the apartment, that was the end of our relationship, I came back the next day and told her she could pack or I would pack but it was over. That was the closest I've ever been to my breaking point and I'm proud of how I reacted, short of my life being at risk I will never see justification to hit a woman.

But you see, you were "close to your breaking point". Your breaking point and someone else's can be very different places. Its very easy to say "well, he should have done what I did" but not so easy for someone to do.

Your description does not say she was hitting you. If she did, your breaking point might have come much sooner and without as much control.

I don't think anyone "asks to be hit" or deserves it or whatever. But, just like I don't blame the abused wife for picking up a baseball bat to even the score a little; I don't blame the abused man for striking back.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

But you see, you were "close to your breaking point". Your breaking point and someone else's can be very different places. Its very easy to say "well, he should have done what I did" but not so easy for someone to do.

Your description does not say she was hitting you. If she did, your breaking point might have come much sooner and without as much control.

I don't think anyone "asks to be hit" or deserves it or whatever. But, just like I don't blame the abused wife for picking up a baseball bat to even the score a little; I don't blame the abused man for striking back.

True, thankfully I've always been a pretty good peace maker and when I start to lose it myself I've been able to remove myself from a situation before it turned to violence.

I often think I should go back to school and get a psychology degree because I'm absolutely fascinated by how different people are. What is normal to one person is alien to another and we all react differently, I think for the most part we are all just winging it but we still believe our way is the best way. Introvert, extrovert, religion, race, part of the country we grew up in, parenting methods, political ideology, etc influence us in such different ways it makes for a world of completely unique people.

 

[disney4us2002]

I have mixed feelings about this. I do believe the Ravens were within their rights to terminate RR for breach of contract but I don't get the NFL indefinite ban. Didn't they just announce a new policy that first time offenders would get a 6-game suspension and a subsequent offender would be banned? If that is the policy, why aren't they actually following it? It seems as though the NFL/Goodell is just reacting to public outcry after seeing the video.

 

[pat fan]

Goodell is covering his @ss because he messed up big time in the first suspension he levied and he knows it.

I am a huge NFL fan (obviously) but I am also firmly against domestic violence but I don't know that he should have had his job taken away etc...How does that help? You are isolating them both and publicly shaming them and that, to me, is a recipe for disaster. LONG suspension? Yes. mandatory counseling and monitoring etc...yes. This is the first "known" incident, and people can learn and grow. If it happens again, and they have the rules in place for it, you're out.