Next add on resort

[Electron_si]

Although we “probably” won’t be adding on until late 2024 I’m already starting to develop a strategy for our next add on purchase. Depending on what happens with direct pricing and/or the resale market we could potentially act sooner.

We are a family of 5 and currently own a 200 pt PVB contract. I think logically our next purchase should be a VGF direct with maximized incentives (if they are being offered then) for 150 points based on max occupancy of 5 and the contract length. VGF isn’t our favorite resort but it has a great location, we like the pools and updated rooms and the contract is much longer.

I’d prefer to purchase a 100-150 pt resale contract at WL (because we love the resort) but I’m concerned that CCV has a max occupancy of 4 for a 1BR and BRV has a 2042 expiration.

An SSR resale is also on my radar but lower on the list as we probably won’t opt to stay there often.

My wife would love BCV but I can’t justify the cost versus contract length at this point. We are still in our late 30’s so contract length is a big factor for us.

Any thoughts on this? I didn’t realize how quickly addonitis would happen. We booked our welcome home trip and another trip on May when our kids are out of school and the points went quickly.

 

[lilsonicfan]

If you're considering a direct contract, I'd at least consider Riviera. As my kids have grown, their interest in MK has lessened, and the accessibility to Epcot and DHS is much better from Riviera. Yes, the resale restrictions are problematic, but if you run into a need to sell, you could always consider selling the Poly contract.

I predict you'll add on a lot faster than late 2024

 

[LittleBitGoofy]

Lots of good ideas in there. I'd note that VGF may reach "sold out" by mid or even early 2024, just as a note on your timeline of adding on late next year. Current incentives end Sept 11. If you accelerate your plans you could always contract the week of the end of those incentives and then see what is offered on Sept 12th for a chance to rewrite.

We bought BCV this year even though it'll end in about 18 years because our kids will have flown the nest by then and those trips are for doing with them. Our VGF contract (direct, bought soon after BCV resale) is our long-haul plan for enjoying well into retirement (should we be so lucky to make it there, knock on wood!).

 

[kilik64]

Ill grudgingly agree with lilsonicfan. Riviera gives the longest contract and gets you a resort in the epcot area since you already have mk covered with pvb. I dont like the resale restrictions, and I dont like the points chart, but studios do sleep 5 so that helps keep the cost down a little.

VGF is gonna get you direct points the cheapest right now, but RIV is 6 years longer too so thats a factor too.

 

[Electron_si]

If you're considering a direct contract, I'd at least consider Riviera. As my kids have grown, their interest in MK has lessened, and the accessibility to Epcot and DHS is much better from Riviera. Yes, the resale restrictions are problematic, but if you run into a need to sell, you could always consider selling the Poly contract.

I predict you'll add on a lot faster than late 2024

RR was actually the first DVC resort we toured back in FEB and is the reason we purchased DVC after deciding against it for so long. We loved the resort and the rooms but we didn’t feel like it had the “feel” that our family enjoys when visiting Disney. Our boys love WL and BCV and RR is just different.

The incentives for RR vs VGF are significant to me and not enough to justify purchasing RR at this point to get direct.

Our PVB is a resale, I didn’t mention that earlier.

 

[Electron_si]

Ill grudgingly agree with lilsonicfan. Riviera gives the longest contract and gets you a resort in the epcot area since you already have mk covered with pvb. I dont like the resale restrictions, and I dont like the points chart, but studios do sleep 5 so that helps keep the cost down a little.

VGF is gonna get you direct points the cheapest right now, but RIV is 6 years longer too so thats a factor too.

I think RR would be at the top of our list if there were no resale restrictions. I see that contract value for resale staying low (compared to others) because of it. I don’t think we will sell anytime soon but at some point I see us traveling away from WDW, well before the contract expires.

These arguments do have my reconsidering RR though, I think my wife and I both prefer it over VGF we just felt like VGF had more of a Disney feel which our kids seem to be more excited about.

We have spent hours on YouTube room tours, maybe our trip in September we need to take them to RR and see what they think in person

 

[lilsonicfan]

I don't frankly understand all of the incentives because buying direct is not on my radar right now and not being from the US I can't use Magical Beginnings anyway, but I thought Riv still offered some good incentives. I honestly don't know. My issue with buying direct is that 150 points at VGF doesn't go very far at VGF if you need a 1BR.

I agree that you do run the risk of VGF being sold out if you wait till 2024...

The point chart for Riviera doesn't seem terrible (I haven't studied it much), and it is really nice that both the studios and the 1BR's sleep 5. Note, at CCV, neither the studios nor 1BR sleeps 5 so you'd always be booking a 2BR. To me the advantage of Riviera is the long contract and the easy access to two parks. And of course if you buy direct you can use the points anywhere. 1BR's aren't so difficult to book at 7 months.

 

[Electron_si]

I don't frankly understand all of the incentives because buying direct is not on my radar right now and not being from the US I can't use Magical Beginnings anyway, but I thought Riv still offered some good incentives. I honestly don't know. My issue with buying direct is that 150 points at VGF doesn't go very far at VGF if you need a 1BR.

I agree that you do run the risk of VGF being sold out if you wait till 2024...

The point chart for Riviera doesn't seem terrible (I haven't studied it much), and it is really nice that both the studios and the 1BR's sleep 5. Note, at CCV, neither the studios nor 1BR sleeps 5 so you'd always be booking a 2BR. To me the advantage of Riviera is the long contract and the easy access to two parks. And of course if you buy direct you can use the points anywhere. 1BR's aren't so difficult to book at 7 months.

VGF has a larger discount for developers credit than RR. Magical beginnings is available right now, I assume for both resorts.

Right now the DVC promotional site lists VGF 150-199 pt savings at $3,585 and RR at $2585.

 

[WxKristin]

We just closed on an additional 150 VGF direct primarily b/c of current incentives (we also have APs and found we prefer 1bd & 2bdms instead of studios). We also own resale at CCV b/c I just like the peacefulness of the resort.

As a family we are probably partial to Epcot over MK - however, I just couldn't get past the resale restrictions at RIV to buy there. I also have found I'm rather stingy with points which doesn't play well with VGF. For our Jan 2024 trip, I stalked a BCV 2 bd (196 pts) at 7 mo instead of booking std view at VGF (254 pts). Not entirely sure if it was worth the effort. RIV std view was in between at 225 pts for a 2 bedroom but that wasn't even available as an option at the 7 mo time window.

My general plan going forward is to use the VGF points for RunDisney or other short trips in the resort studios and the CCV points for larger/longer family trips in the 2 bds there. I'll still probably occasionally switch to other resorts (BWV/BCV) at the 7 mo mark when convenient. My main reason for adding on VGF direct instead of somewhere else resale was so that my points would play well with newer options added to the DVC portfolio during the next 30+ years (but especially after 2042). Plus also lower dues (though I know that can change over time).

 

[Electron_si]

We just closed on an additional 150 VGF direct primarily b/c of current incentives (we also have APs and found we prefer 1bd & 2bdms instead of studios). We also own resale at CCV b/c I just like the peacefulness of the resort.

As a family we are probably partial to Epcot over MK - however, I just couldn't get past the resale restrictions at RIV to buy there. I also have found I'm rather stingy with points which doesn't play well with VGF. For our Jan 2024 trip, I stalked a BCV 2 bd (196 pts) at 7 mo instead of booking std view at VGF (254 pts). Not entirely sure if it was worth the effort. RIV std view was in between at 225 pts for a 2 bedroom but that wasn't even available as an option at the 7 mo time window.

My general plan going forward is to use the VGF points for RunDisney or other short trips in the resort studios and the CCV points for larger/longer family trips in the 2 bds there. I'll still probably occasionally switch to other resorts (BWV/BCV) at the 7 mo mark when convenient. My main reason for adding on VGF direct instead of somewhere else resale was so that my points would play well with newer options added to the DVC portfolio during the next 30+ years (but especially after 2042). Plus also lower dues (though I know that can change over time).

My ideal purchase would be a 150 pt resale at CCV but the 4 person restriction for studio and 1 BR basically takes it off the list.

Your reasoning for VGF direct had a lot of the same thoughts I’ve come up with and it doesn’t have resale restrictions.

 

[tom1944]

If the price is right on the 2042 resorts, it could make sense in that you have the ability to walk away in 2042 or purchase the 2060-2066 resorts in 2042 at possible lower prices.

My daughter has asked me to consider purchasing BWV and prior to her request I was not considering the 2042 resorts. It does look like we need to own at BWV if we ever want to stay there. It does not seem as essential to own at AKV, BLT, BRV or CCV during January 16-31 or August 16-31 which is when we plan to go.

Since we are 65/66 and my daughter is 33 the expiration in 2042 really does not impact me and my wife. Our daughter can decide in 2042 if she needs another contract beyond our SSR deed.


I am still leaning direct at either the new POLY or RIV but these contracts go far beyond me and my wife using them.
if I was going to buy resale, I figured it would be BLT, so my daughter really has me rethinking everything.

 

[lilsonicfan]

VGF has a larger discount for developers credit than RR. Magical beginnings is available right now, I assume for both resorts.

Right now the DVC promotional site lists VGF 150-199 pt savings at $3,585 and RR at $2585.

$1,000 difference over 150 points is pretty small especially if you consider the longer contract, but I do totally get what you mean and the resale restrictions are definitely tough, although you may find that with a combination of renting excess points and using up the points, the resale restriction will really not be as big a consideration if you ever get to that point.

No real downside to VGF, though, and it is a really pretty resort.

 

[jason423]

It would be hard to imagine VGF having a better deal then they do now. The thing that concerns me most with RIV is the fact that if we did need to sell it would be a harder sell due to the restrictions, though the same could come into play with VGF down the line if the 2042s all go off line. The two things maybe going for RIV would be that by the time you are looking maybe that will get a deeper discount if they are somewhat close to selling out and just looking to move it off of the "active" list since the new Poly and Cabins should be active by then. The second would be as the kids get older they probably will like Epcot and HS better and RIV does give you very good access to both of those parks. Our family likes WL as well but I can see why you would not want there with the date for BRV and size for CCV though I think both resorts have decent availability at the 7month mark outside of the holiday season where its booked up right away.

 

[Sandisw]

I think RR would be at the top of our list if there were no resale restrictions. I see that contract value for resale staying low (compared to others) because of it. I don’t think we will sell anytime soon but at some point I see us traveling away from WDW, well before the contract expires.

These arguments do have my reconsidering RR though, I think my wife and I both prefer it over VGF we just felt like VGF had more of a Disney feel which our kids seem to be more excited about.

We have spent hours on YouTube room tours, maybe our trip in September we need to take them to RR and see what they think in person

I honestly think that as the product changes, and more resorts are restricted, the resale market is going to settle in, and that RIV isn’t going to be that far out of line. And, in 2042, when the Epcot area resorts are gone, RIV may end up being the only resort someone can get resale that provides easier access to those parks.

My opinion has always been that resale value should be seen as a bonus down the road and not a deciding factor in which Resort to buy, especially if you have one you really like.

We own RIV and it’s our favorite…if and when we ever need to sell, we will have more than gotten our monies worth when you consider all the trips it will have provided us.

Good luck!

 

[Electron_si]

$1,000 difference over 150 points is pretty small especially if you consider the longer contract, but I do totally get what you mean and the resale restrictions are definitely tough, although you may find that with a combination of renting excess points and using up the points, the resale restriction will really not be as big a consideration if you ever get to that point.

No real downside to VGF, though, and it is a really pretty resort.

For some reason all of the ~$170/point deals I’ve seen are for VGF. Maybe RR would be competitive with those numbers with the magical beginning.

 

[Electron_si]

It would be hard to imagine VGF having a better deal then they do now. The thing that concerns me most with RIV is the fact that if we did need to sell it would be a harder sell due to the restrictions, though the same could come into play with VGF down the line if the 2042s all go off line. The two things maybe going for RIV would be that by the time you are looking maybe that will get a deeper discount if they are somewhat close to selling out and just looking to move it off of the "active" list since the new Poly and Cabins should be active by then. The second would be as the kids get older they probably will like Epcot and HS better and RIV does give you very good access to both of those parks. Our family likes WL as well but I can see why you would not want there with the date for BRV and size for CCV though I think both resorts have decent availability at the 7month mark outside of the holiday season where its booked up right away.

I agree I don’t think VGF is getting any cheaper direct, we just aren’t in a position to buy another contract for another 12+ months. I guess my comment about pricing was more towards resale prices as what we offered on PVB in Feb has come down even more now.

After this thread I’m going to start looking into RR quite a bit more and we will probably schedule another resort tour while we are there with our kids in Sep.

We have a pretty big age gap at 12, 8 and 1 so while the older kids and adults are more of an Epcot/HS crowd we will still be spending years at MK with our youngest.

This thread has offered a lot of great perspectives.

 

[tidefan]

Personally, I would just go for as many SSR points resale as you could get, unless you absolutely have to buy direct. You can get into PVB at 7 months fairly easily and I imagine the Resort Studios at VGF2 will be the same (Deluxe Studios are another matter).

 

[bakerworld]

We like owning in different walkable areas. I do understand the reasoning to not purchase BC/BW area at your age but I wouldn't add-on around the same area as PVB just because you're already there so try somewhere different. AK and SSR offers really large villas at value points but you'll be on the bus. I do think the buses from AK are some of the fastest driven buses around compared to taking a bus from PVB with the multiple stops at two other resorts before it finally heads for a destination. IDK, maybe you should consider RIV because it's a gondola ride from HS and Epcot. Once you're at either park you can walk to the other easily. We own at BLT but we're older so not big on MK but I guess with kids it is your major park.

 

[Cybertruck]

If the price is right on the 2042 resorts, it could make sense in that you have the ability to walk away in 2042 or purchase the 2060-2066 resorts in 2042 at possible lower prices.

My daughter has asked me to consider purchasing BWV and prior to her request I was not considering the 2042 resorts. It does look like we need to own at BWV if we ever want to stay there. It does not seem as essential to own at AKV, BLT, BRV or CCV during January 16-31 or August 16-31 which is when we plan to go.

Since we are 65/66 and my daughter is 33 the expiration in 2042 really does not impact me and my wife. Our daughter can decide in 2042 if she needs another contract beyond our SSR deed.


I am still leaning direct at either the new POLY or RIV but these contracts go far beyond me and my wife using them.
if I was going to buy resale, I figured it would be BLT, so my daughter really has me rethinking everything.

We are in the same vote (5 years younger). We are now taking several trips a year and looking to add a 2070s resort as part of our succession planing. While likely an unpopular opinion we are not a fan of RR. We are excited for new Polynesian it our favorite resort and need 1 and 2 bedrooms for our stays. Blue card resale members but family trips are October - December so member extras are not really important. Moonlight Magic was great when consistently traveled in May. But Food and Wine in fall is key trip for our family.

 

[Magic•Happens]

We are waiting to see if the Poly tower is going to be it's own association or part of PVB. That would change how many points we puirchase as we and 1br+ people now and don't really like staying in studios. Although, the PVB studios are so convienent to TTC for quick access to EPCOT and F&W, we might keep both if they are in separate condo associations.