News Story - CNN.com - Woman dies a day afer riding Mission Space

[jann1033]

Personal accountability -- /QUOTE]

surprised the auto censor didn't bleep that out.. i figured it must be a swear word now since no one seems to believe in it or follow that line of thought anymore

and just want to say to the world of Dis...if in Nov. you hear about a 53 yr old crazy woman croaking on MS, RNR, TOT or any other rides i might ride and probably shouldn't, i take personal responsibility for it...

 

[Bill From PA]

bicker,

I've read your posts before and enjoyed your reasoning. If you and yours are 'In the World' the same time as we are, Feb. 28 through March 11 2007 is our next visit, let me know so I can buy you all a round and talk. I enjoy the company of someone who values logic and facts. Reality is a ***** (butch) that's good too, but it beats the alternative.

WDWNicole,

Happy Easter!

Bill From PA

 

[DVCkidsMOM]

If you hear about a family of 4 ... it'll be us taking responsibility.
I feel that everyones perception is different and "intense" refers to that portion of the ride during which any rider may get a positive or negative thrill. I don't ride simulators and stay in "hypersleep" for that portion of MS because I enjoy the spinning and g-force portions. This is my choice based upon my own research about the ride.
I look forward to further information but don't at this time have plans to avoid MS for myself or family.
I pray for the families of both the women and little boy of last year. I pray for the investigation team and Disney as well. Happy Maundy Thursday.

 

[bicker]

If you and yours are 'In the World' the same time as we are, Feb. 28 through March 11 2007 is our next visit

Unfortunately, we'll be on our way back from WDW February 16 2007... missed you by just a bit.

 

[Hugpug]

I have not been on this ride and have no intention of ever riding it. My decision is because I know I have a health problem and will not take a risk. I don't ride a lot of the newer rides because of that reason. I can ride TOT with no problem. I know I can't ride EE but mostly because I hate Roller Costers. I stay away from the ones that are rough like Dino and SW. I rode DIno once as I never gave it a though since I am able to ride BTM but this ride is much much worst and will never ride it again.In my option people need to look at their own health and do a carefull evaluation before going on any ride. But I do personally feel MS needs to be tamed down or redone so as not to be so intense this is IMHO.

 

[Minniespal]

Very sad.

 

[funshipm174]

Close the ride down. PERIOD

Bottom line is I'm reading all these posts where people say riders should have "read the warnings". I'm sure there are those who don't and do read the warnings, but the bottom line is how many times is someone going to die on this ride and it's going to be blamed on the rider "didn't read the warning"?????
One death is too many, but this is two so far this year, FOR WHATEVER REASON.
It's crazy to think I was reading posts on here yesterday and people were excited that the ride was back up and running, even after someone died, sorry make that two people so far died on this ride.

How many times are the people on this board going to is everyone else and not the ride itself?

 

[JPN4265]

Let's see what we agree on:

1. When someone dies, it's a Bad Thing.

2. When someone dies, they were usually doing something at the time or shortly before.

3. The doing of that thing at that time does not imply a causual relationship, particularly if millions of others did the same thing and did not die.

4. Rides involving circular motion make some people feel ill. Astro Orbiter can cause me to make chunks.

5. Except for the guy who stepped out of the log on SplMtn about a year ago and was crushed, every recent WDW fatality that the media implied was tied to a Disney ride has turned out to have been caused by a physical flaw, known or otherwise, to the victim.

6. This most recent event will be thoroughly investigated and a cause will be attributed to it.

That about it? Now, I'm off to celebrate the resurrection of Our Lord, which involves stuffing my face with ham and guzzling obscene quantities of fermented barley and hops, neither of which will harm me in any way. Have a great holiday, all!

Bill From PA

And don't forget the most important thing. When you have at least two people discussing something, you always have the chance for a differenct view point. People will never agree on something 100% of the time.

 

[bicker]

the bottom line is how many times is someone going to die on this ride

The bottom line is that you haven't read the thread, or the news articles. No one has died on the ride. And that kind of misdirected, knee-jerk reaction is what a lot of people are objecting to.

 

[funshipm174]

The bottom line is that you haven't read the thread, or the news articles. No one has died on the ride. And that kind of misdirected, knee-jerk reaction is what a lot of people are objecting to.

So let me see. Two people die and it's a knee jerk reaction? If someone hasn't read something it is you. I said in my post I was reading posts yesterday. I did not post because I do not believe in "knee jerk reactions" It seems you need to read better.

So if someone is in a very bad car accident, but happens to get to the hosptial and dies in the hospital, are you going to say they didn't die because of the car accident?

These posts amaze me. Have a good day all.

 

[k5thbeatle]

...So if someone is in a very bad car accident, but happens to get to the hosptial and dies in the hospital, are you going to say they didn't die because of the car accident?...QUOTE]

So when does the ban on cars begin?

 

[funshipm174]

...So if someone is in a very bad car accident, but happens to get to the hosptial and dies in the hospital, are you going to say they didn't die because of the car accident?...QUOTE]

So when does the ban on cars begin?

THe thing is we try to control, what we can control in life. A ride shutting down in Disney will not affect a nations economy.THAT is in the companies control and is not a need of life. A car is a necessity.

 

[mjgruber]

Are we sure that this woman never rode Mission: Space before?

Great point. You hit the nail right on the head.

Precisely. Personal accountability -- people decide what risk they and theirs take, and thereby determine what kind of risks they're willing to take onto themselves.

Since one of the people who died was 4 ( and according to Disney had a "Heart" issue ), are you suggesting every 4 yr old have a Cartiogram before they ride? I am not saying you are wrong, just have the "Heart Exam Line" clearly posted.

P.S. If these people have "Health issues" why arent they dying on other rides? Hmmmmm

 

[bicker]

So let me see. Two people die and it's a knee jerk reaction?

More than two people died in Boston yesterday. Are you suggesting we should close the city?

It is a knee-jerk reaction because you're advocating doing something not based on the facts, but based on emotion.

are you suggesting every 4 yr old have a Cartiogram before they ride?

No, I'm suggesting the people take personal accountability for what they decide and what they do.

 

[funshipm174]

More than two people died in Boston yesterday. Are you suggesting we should close the city?

It is a knee-jerk reaction because you're advocating doing something not based on the facts, but based on emotion.

No, I'm suggesting the people take personal accountability for what they decide and what they do.

So how many deaths are in " personal accountability"?

 

[boomhauer]

No, I'm suggesting the people take personal accountability for what they decide and what they do.

Isn't this sort of a contradiction? You're saying, if someone KNOWS they have a medical condition, it is their responsibility. OK, that I can agree with.

However, you're defending the attraction as NOT being the cause of these deaths. I'm not a doctor, so obviously I have no idea what was the leading factor in their deaths. However, if they aren't aware of the medical condition and the attraction DID attribute to their death, how can they be blamed?

Point being, I find it hard to believe that all visitors to Disney World have a thorough checkup before they leave for vacation.

 

[boomhauer]

THe thing is we try to control, what we can control in life. A ride shutting down in Disney will not affect a nations economy.THAT is in the companies control and is not a need of life. A car is a necessity.

Wheeew - I was hoping someone besides me would understand that logic.

Cars - Necessity.
Theme park attraction - Ehhhh, not so much so.

 

[k5thbeatle]

...P.S. If these people have "Health issues" why arent they dying on other rides? Hmmmmm

You need to do a little research. There are many deaths each year at amusement parks all over the U.S. Many are accidents, but many are the result of undiagnosed (usually heart) conditions, which I suspect will be found to be the case in this instance.

 

[bicker]

So how many deaths are in " personal accountability"?

Personal accountability means taking responsibility for the risks you take, rather that seeking to blame others when those risks have negative results.

You're saying, if someone KNOWS they have a medical condition, it is their responsibility.

No. I'm saying if someone knows there is a risk, then it is their responsibility.

However, you're defending the attraction as NOT being the cause of these deaths.

There is no need to defend the attraction at this time, since there is no evidence that it was the cause of the deaths. That's a red herring.

However, if they aren't aware of the medical condition and the attraction DID attribute to their death, how can they be blamed?

Indeed. I think the problem is that many people cannot stand the fact that sometimes bad things happen and there is no one for them to blame -- nothing to attack to gain some measure of satisfaction from having exacted revenge for the tragedy.

Sometimes bad things happen. We have to learn to live with that fact.

Our forefathers didn't seem to have this problem.

Point being, I find it hard to believe that all visitors to Disney World have a thorough checkup before they leave for vacation.

Yet that's not really the issue. The issue is personal accountability, and specifically personal accountability for the risks we decide to take.

Cars - Necessity.
Theme park attraction - Ehhhh, not so much so.

Who gets to decide what is and isn't important? You? Why not respect each person enough to let them make their own decision.

What about kayaks? Should they be banned because there are occasionally people who die from drowning or shark attacks?

What about swimming pools? Drowning ranks as the second leading cause of unintentional injury death for children ages 1 to 14. That's far worse than any theme park attraction. Are you suggesting we ban swimming pools?

What about playgrounds? There are many studies about the phenomenon of playground deaths. Maybe we should demolish them all and make children read instead. I haven't read any studies about reading deaths.

There is a significant risk of death from lighting for all of these "not a necessity" activities: Soccer, baseball and softball, golf, and camping. Are you going to pick up the banner for banning of all these things?

 

[dwkwootton]

Regardless of which point of view you are comfortable with, it is interesting to observe how each person sees their own logic but does not see the other persons ... but I guess that's old news.

I'm personally not seeing the logic in remarks about closing down Boston or removing cars from the road, but again that may be me.

The assignment of accountability does strike me as misplaced on this topic. Not everyone reads the dis all the time or goes to WDW as often as those on this board and they should not be required to! It is only reasonable to expect that the guests in line for MS know next to nothing.

I'm seeing that appropriate signage is the very least that needs to be done here. There are warning signs splashed all over all the parks and they all look the same. The use of illusion contributes negatively ~in this particular case~ as well. After Catastrophe Canyon, we all enjoy a good chuckle when we hear or see that something "awful" is about to happen.

Maybe the warning signs should carry ratings like movies do and be in different colors as to the level of warning. I'm not sure how it can be anything other than a good idea for all concerned to at least include a distinctively different looking sign that states the possibility of prolonged discomfort after riding or that a current complete physical is in order for this attraction.

I'm having one hard time seeing that a tourist going to WDW is irresponsible and not taking personal accountability if they failed to have essentially an astronaut level physical done within 30 days of their vacation.