News Story - CNN.com - Woman dies a day afer riding Mission Space

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For everyone mentioning about the media going after Disney..... Disney is the media(ABC,ESPN,LIFETIME,etc.)! They just don't do a very complete job covering themselves. There is much more that goes on than anyone would care to know. Why do you think there is so much security, plainclothes and uniformed? Disney does a very good job at controlling negative media exposure.
 
mickeymousemom said:
Its ridiculous to expect MS to close...absolutely ridiculous. Two people have died. One pretty much RIGHT after riding it. He had an UNDIAGNOSED heart problem. At some point this was going to backfire and something serious was going to happen to this little boy. I haven't visited the links put out by princess aurora, but I'm going to assume she is saying exactly what I was going to say. How many athletes have you heard of in recent years that have died during practice, etc. because of a heart problem they knew nothing of? That little boy's death was the fault of no one. As sad as it is, it must have been his time. I suppose someone could blame the parents for not having their little boy checked out..or for allowing him on the ride at all. I won't do that. This was something that happened thru the fault of NO ONE. I would pretty much bet that the autopsy report will show this woman had some sort of health problem and she shouldn't have ridden it. How many times does someone have to point out that there are NUMEROUS warningsstated in some form before you enter the pods? I have no doubt that what makes this ride so hard on the human body is the intense spinning needed to get to the 2-3 G's you feel upon blast off. It's an intense ride. You NEED to be HEALTHY to ride this. M:S does not need to close. Warnings are abundant. WDW is the number one theme park in the world and people are just waiting to bash it.

But there needs to be a point where even the avid Disney fans such as yourself realize theven if the attraction is not directly to blame, some safety measures neeD to be taken on the attraction. You can find a reason for everyone that has/ will have a problem because of MS, But bottomline is that Disney should make it a priority to remedy the problem that is in their backyard.
 
funshipm174 said:
But there needs to be a point where even the avid Disney fans such as yourself realize theven if the attraction is not directly to blame, some safety measures neeD to be taken on the attraction. You can find a reason for everyone that has/ will have a problem because of MS, But bottomline is that Disney should make it a priority to remedy the problem that is in their backyard.

If the ride is NOT to blame then why exactly would Disney take any further action than they have already done. Warnings are posted and a full inspection to see if it was running without any problems was conducted and then allowed to reopen.

The point IS the MS ride specifically is not the problem in these two cases. This I believe has nothing to do with whether I am an avid fan or not of Disney (I know you were not specifically addressing me in your comments) but of the facts that have been presented in this current situation and the one prior to it reguarding the 4yr old boy. It is two very unfortunate incidents that occurred on or around the same ride.
 
Per CNN.COM the 49 yr old woman that died, died from a stroke and had high blood pressure.
 

tfiga said:
Per CNN.COM the 49 yr old woman that died, died from a stroke and had high blood pressure.

A quote from the updated article posted on the other thread on this subject.

"A German woman who fell ill after going on a ride at Walt Disney World died of bleeding of the brain, the medical examiner's office said Friday in a preliminary report. The report did not mention any connection between the ride and the woman's death...The official cause of death will not be available for several weeks, when toxicology reports and other tests are final, Garavaglia said."


I certainly hope this closes the debate until the official cuase of death is released.
 
I feel for the woman's family and friends...

however...I have been on M:S twice and was amazed at the warnings for this ride. Not only are they posted in front of it, but they are posted inside in several places while you're waiting on line, and they are also announced several times. If anyone feels they fit the description of those that shouldn't ride, they shouldn't. But if they have a condition that they don't know about-- M:S might not hurt them, but something else can just as easily. I hope this doesn't hurt the attraction-- but 2 deaths in less than one year doesn't sound good... :-(
 
Gosh, I'm reading some of these posts about parents absolutely not letting their kids ride the ride and I'm sorry, but I've gotta laugh.....
Some people are going to disagree, but I'm sure there's a bunch of you who will agree with me: When I was young, my dad would make me try everything at least once this way I can make a fair judgement of whether or not I liked something. When it came to my rollercoaster loving father "making" me try the coasters even though I would be deathly afraid of going on, you betcha - he made me ride them. Am I mad? NOoooooooo. Heck, it was 30 seconds or one minute of sheer terror, but I knew I'd come out of there alive!

We went down to the pre-opening of Mission Space. We really went down for MNSSHP, but it was awesome to see the whole place all set up for the opening and the special spot for the press. I told the kids I really had no idea if it would be too scary or not, but let's give it a try. I told them that I did know that you had to keep your eyes on the screen and do not look away from the screen and that we might get dizzy....

Well, here we are on the ride. I've got my husband (Thrill Seeker) and my two girls, 9 & 10. I've got an equilibrium problem and I knew I would have trouble, but just when I started to feel it, my 9 year old starts screaming she's having an asthma attack. Mommy Mommy I need my inhaler! she starts screaming. Her inhaler is, of course, tucked into my fanny-pack that is located in the bag holder. I'm trying to kick open the bag holder with my feet while I am also trying to stave off getting sick AND trying to keep my eyes on the screen!
As most of you know, the spinning part comes and goes and then we both started to feel better. The rest of the ride went the same way: When we started spinning, she started screaming.

When we got off, she started to cry, but then I've got my tough guy husband who starts jibing her, Oh, C'mon! It wasn't that bad! and me being mommy I was trying to comfort her. If I had let her continue to cry, it would have ruined the whole day, so instead I got a little firm, told her to stop crying and convinced her that she was such a big girl and heck, won't that be awesome to go back to school and tell all your friends?
BTW, it wasn't an asthma attack, it was just anxiety and I was trying to tell her that to calm her down. She had childhood asthma which she grew out of, but I brought the inhaler anyway because the fall in Florida triggers both my and her allergies.

Would I take the kids on it again? Of course I would (if they wanted to).
I put my complete faith and trust in Disney. They are top-notch and in my opinion would never put anyone at risk. I feel Disney needs to keep these thrill rides. If they don't, my husband probably wouldn't go, which means my family wouldn't go. There needs to be a balance for both the thrill-seekers and the non-thrill-seekers. It should be fun for every age group in the family, not just the babies.
If you do not feel it is a ride for you, don't ride it. I don't ride TOT or RRC. I am, however, going to try Everest. My dad always taught me to try everything once and I'm sure this'll be something my kids will do with their kids, too.

Edited: I'm watching the 10:00 o'clock news and the reporter stated that the woman who had just passed had long-term health problems.
Like I had said before, I have something called peripheral vestibuloper, which is a chronic dizzy problem - I'm always dizzy. Sometimes not as bad as others. Reading all the warning signs posted everywhere, I still chose to ride the ride. That was my personal decision. I rode it, I got dizzy, but I wanted to experience Disney's new ride. When I was little, I wanted to be an astronaut, so this was my chance to try it without leaving the Earth :3dglasses
The one thing we know about this poor woman was that she had long-term health problems, which I deem to mean that she knew she was not healthy. The signs that are posted everywhere are also in different languages. It is impossible to get on that ride and not see at least one sign. Despite the warnings, she chose to ride. It is sad, I know, the woman did not get on that ride thinking she was going to die.
Let's just hope that those who do have similiar high-blood pressure problems will think twice before riding.
It's not up to Disney to say, well, we can't come out with that ride because what about all those people with certain conditions? They say, let's make this ride for all those who will enjoy it, but we must warn those who might have an adverse reaction.
We don't need to call for the shutting down of a ride - we need people to take responsibility for themselves.
 
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I am not speculating.......
(CNN) -- A 49-year-old woman who died after riding on Walt Disney World's "Mission: Space" ride suffered a stroke linked to her high blood pressure, according to preliminary autopsy results released Friday by the Orange County medical examiner
 
tfiga said:
I am not speculating.......
(CNN) -- A 49-year-old woman who died after riding on Walt Disney World's "Mission: Space" ride suffered a stroke linked to her high blood pressure, according to preliminary autopsy results released Friday by the Orange County medical examiner

If this is directed towards me, I know. I was trying to further prove your point by posting a piece of an article.
 
princess aurora said:
If the ride is NOT to blame then why exactly would Disney take any further action than they have already done. Warnings are posted and a full inspection to see if it was running without any problems was conducted and then allowed to reopen.

The point IS the MS ride specifically is not the problem in these two cases. This I believe has nothing to do with whether I am an avid fan or not of Disney (I know you were not specifically addressing me in your comments) but of the facts that have been presented in this current situation and the one prior to it reguarding the 4yr old boy. It is two very unfortunate incidents that occurred on or around the same ride.




princess aurora,


ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

<It is two very unfortunate incidents that occurred on or around the same ride>

Now how many deaths consist of an "unforunate incident" BEFORE you think WDW should look into this.




<The point IS the MS ride specifically is not the problem in these two cases>

That comment was to apease the people on ehere who feel it is NOT the problem. Maybe these two people has conditions that were set off by going on the ride, but either way, the ride has issues and just as the auto industry makes safety changes to their vehicles, maybe WDW needs to make some safety changes regarding this attraction. At least look into it. To say there is no blame at all on the attraction is CRAZY.
PLEASE, stop defending an attraction that Obviously WDW will have to look into. Two people went on that ride. Two people came off that ride and then died. You still think that MS had NOTHING to do with it??
 
I must state at the outset that I'm sad the family and friends of the woman who died.

It is presumptuous to assume that this woman was "in the dark" about MS when she chose to ride. If she had pre-existing heath problems exacerbated by MS, she may have weighed her choice of whether to ride and decided it was worth the risk. She was an adult. If she made that decision of her own free will, it would be a shame to close down or tame the ride because of her death.

In talking about this last night, my dad literally said that's how he'd want to go. Actually, I think he'd prefer coming down a thousand foot drop on a rollercoaster. He's 64 and has never been to Epcot or MGM. I'm taking him in October and cannot wait for him to experience MS. He and I are both big astronomy and sci-fi fans, and it is as close as either of us will ever get to going into space. He does not have any of the conditions in the warnings, but if he did and chose to ride anyway, he may have decided that if he dies, it was worth the risk to try doing something he loves.

As for the warnings on MS blending in with the warnings on other rides, I cannot see how anyone who has ridden MS could possible make this statement. I have never been on a ride with so many visual and audio warnings, repeated and forceful.
 
42636 people died in motorvehilce accidents last year. That's almost 117 per day. I guess you won't be driving, either?
 
wood8176 said:
42636 people died in motorvehilce accidents last year. That's almost 117 per day. I guess you won't be driving, either?

Then why does the automotive industry consistently make safety improvements based on statistics. :sad2:
 
I wasn't going to post but, in defense of the poor woman who died, she may have been aware of her pre-existing condition but did she read english as to be fully aware of what the warning signs said. She was from Germany and that raises the posibility that she only knew German. I only point this out for the people that were critical of her decision to ride with high blood pressure, saying that she was an adult and made the bad decision. My Dsis had friends from Brazil come up and only speak Portugese and just went on anything that looked cool without fully knowing any warnings. They just assumed it was Disney and everything would be appropriate for anyone to ride.
 
being in a household the has many disney fanatics i am always interested in any news about wdw. when i heard about this recent tragedy my first thought was sadness and disbelief that this could happen again.

do we place blame on WDW for this extreme ride or do we blame the unfortunate medical conditions on those people whether or not they were unaware of their condition. ( not the people their medical condition)

when i walk into WDW i make an assumption that the rides and attractions are safe and have been tested for safety. what bothers me about this is why doesnt WDW close MS and allow it to be inspected and tested by either the company who built it or have N.A.S.A test it for them. then they can safely and publicly state that the ride has been tested by an authoritative specailist on simulators and have been deemed to be safely ridden except by poeple with certain medical condtions.


when MS first opened my sister and her family were there for the opening. she isnt the fanatic i am so she asked my advice on all of the rides because my nieces are a bit on the petite size. well they all went on MS and they all came out ok except for my sister who was a bit woozy. she is an exercize fanatic so her health really wasnt an issue. you just sometimes dont know how something is going to effect you until you try it. spinning rides usually make me a bit sick but MS didnt effect me at all. multiple times i have ridden it with my DS#2 and neither one of us had any problems at all.

i may not ride it next time for 2 reasons: 1) i have recently developed the ear, dizziness problem that a previous poster mentioned. so if my specialist tells me not to ride it i wont. 2) to be honest unless an outside entity inspects MS i do not know if i would risk my or my son's health. contradictory sentence i know but i just dont know if it worth the risk. despite the statisticts supporting its safety i am not sure.
 
I certainly hope NASA has better things to do than check an amusement park ride or else I want my tax money back! The ride was inspected by an outside party from the bureau of fair rides inspection. The ride did not malfunction, she did.
The ride did what it was supposed to ,as built, she happened to have a medical condition she shouldn't have gone on with. Yes she is from Germany but it is her responsibility to understand the ride, she is at Disney who bends over backward to help visitors from other places. They have guidemaps in other languages including German. There is a German pavillion with German speaking people right at Epcot. If she was uncertain and asked a CM I'm sure they would have called the German pavillion and found someone to translate for her. It comes down to personal resposibilty. To ruin it for the millions who rode it and enjoyed is crazy.
 
Disney has looked into and investigated the ride both times after the accident. Both times they reopened it the next day. And, in both cases, the unfortunate victims had pre-existing conditions. In the case of the little boy, the family knew about them. The mother even reported that he didn't look good when they stepped on the ride. In the case of the 49 year old woman, Disney reported that they thought she had high blood pressure which the autopsy showed. Disney posts constant and repeated warnings on their thrill rides. They are there for a reason. Disney should not shut down a ride simply because guests choose to ignore warnings and safety restrictions. People have been killed or injured on all sorts of Disney rides, and not just thrill rides, because they left ride vehicles too early. Disney has those safety warnings for a reason. Should Disney shut down those rides as well? In both cases, M:S opened again the day after the unfortunate accident and after the ride had been inspected by the state of Florida. This tells me that the ride is still operating correctly and that it is safe for the great majority of guests.

Despite the fact that the auto industry keeps reviewing the safety of their automobiles, people continue to die in automobile accidents every day. The industry continues to make safety upgrades, but people continue to die in spite of the saftey upgrades. Many automobile accidents occur because drivers ignore the safety warnings posted like speed limits and driving without a seatbelt, talking on a cell phone, etc. Are the automobiles killing people?

Did M:S kill these two people, or were they killed because they went on an attraction with medical conditions that people were warned about before riding? And last, if I were to travel to a Disney park overseas, I am responsible for heeding the safety warnings even if I can't read or speak the language they are given in.
 
It's possible that the woman couldn't read the signs, but again. . is that really Disney's fault? The visual of the sign was created to look like a warning. . . without looking at the words, one can tell it is a warning of some sort. Not reading the language, and seeing all of these warnings posted. . . I might be wanting to pull out my guide that Disney offers to me at the front of every park in my native language to see what the deal was. Disney can't force guests who don't speak English to prepare themselves. They offer information in a number of languages but can't force someone to check that map or ask a CM (CMs who excel in languages other than English are pretty easy to pick out - look for the ones with the flag on their nametag)

I don't want to make assumptions. . . but English is a pretty popular second or third language, so it's very possible that this woman did have a pretty decent background in the language, at least enough to pick up that those signs were warning signs.
 
funshipm174 said:
princess aurora,


ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

<It is two very unfortunate incidents that occurred on or around the same ride>

Now how many deaths consist of an "unforunate incident" BEFORE you think WDW should look into this.




<The point IS the MS ride specifically is not the problem in these two cases>

That comment was to apease the people on ehere who feel it is NOT the problem. Maybe these two people has conditions that were set off by going on the ride, but either way, the ride has issues and just as the auto industry makes safety changes to their vehicles, maybe WDW needs to make some safety changes regarding this attraction. At least look into it. To say there is no blame at all on the attraction is CRAZY.
PLEASE, stop defending an attraction that Obviously WDW will have to look into. Two people went on that ride. Two people came off that ride and then died. You still think that MS had NOTHING to do with it??

Are you kidding me? Of course there was a connection between riding the ride and their deaths b/c that was the last thing the were know to be doing. MY point is as I understand the reading I have done that the medical examiner did not say the freakin' ride killed the boy OKAY! He said there was a pre-exsisting medical condition. You are NOT the medical examiner and thank you but I'll take his opinon over yours.
"Daudi Bamuwamye, the son of a United Nations worker from Uganda, died after riding "Mission: Space" in June. He had an abnormality of the heart muscle called idiopathic myocardial hypertrophy, with fibroelastosis of the left ventricle, the Orange County Medical Examiner's Office said.

"People with this condition are at risk for sudden death throughout their life due to abnormal electrical heart rhythms," the medical examiner's office said. "This risk could be increased under physical or emotional stressful situations. This condition may also eventually lead to heart failure."


You have no knowledge of what that boy did or did not do through out the day and are jumping to a conclusion the medical examiner DOES NOT make.
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"Coincidentally, a study released today at the American Heart Association meeting in Dallas says riding a roller coaster can spark irregular heartbeat in people with heart disease. (Mission: Space is not a roller coaster, but it is a thrill ride.)"
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-11-15-disney-death_x.htm

In the second case it IS still in the preliminary phase until a complete autopsy is performed but the second victim died from a stroke, bleeding in the brain and that the ride at this point, had nothing to do with her death. That's what comes from the medical report NOT me.

"A German woman who fell ill after going on a ride at Walt Disney World died of bleeding of the brain, the medical examiner's office said Friday in a preliminary report. The report did not mention any connection between the ride and the woman's death.

Hiltrud Bluemel, 49, also had severe, long-standing high blood pressure, said Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Orange-Osceola chief medical examiner, in a statement. There was no evidence of bodily injuries.

The official cause of death will not be available for several weeks, when toxicology reports and other tests are final, Garavaglia said."


They are unfortunate incidents b/c they are deaths and until I see more evidence than just YOU spouting off. I will not be convinced that there is something so terribly wrong with THIS ride over any other sort of "thrill" ride that people like you need to induce all out panic. You can feel the ride is the problem all you want. That's your opinion. I choose to get all the facts first before blowing smoke up people's ... and listen to the people in authority and who are qualified to make any such statements.

It's terrible what happend absolutely, it's a shame and it's scary and it's awful for those families. Would they do things differently if given the chance probably. Would it have saved them if they didn't ride? Well we will just never know will we?!

I do not think that this ride causes any more undo stress or anxiety than another thrill ride. That is my opinion. You may have a different opinion on that which is fine, but please don't tell people the sky is falling before it actually is.
 
princess aurora said:
A quote from the updated article posted on the other thread on this subject.

"A German woman who fell ill after going on a ride at Walt Disney World died of bleeding of the brain, the medical examiner's office said Friday in a preliminary report. The report did not mention any connection between the ride and the woman's death...The official cause of death will not be available for several weeks, when toxicology reports and other tests are final, Garavaglia said."


I certainly hope this closes the debate until the official cuase of death is released.


Yes...and here is the second paragraph in that article(it was skipped in the above mention):

Hiltrud Bluemel, 49, also had severe, long-standing high blood pressure, said Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Orange-Osceola chief medical examiner, in a statement. There was no evidence of bodily injuries.




Signs are posted, people...what more can Disney do?? The only thing I could see that might quell some fears is raising the height requirement(though age and height don't always coincide with eath other) and possibly put warnings in several other languages outside the ride. I do believe that a person, regardless of language, should be aware of what they are riding. I won't touch a ride I know nothing about unless I ask questions first. If you don't know, then don't ride it until you do know. There are many htings out there to do that could be dangerous. Many everyday things can be dangerous. Other things we choose NOT do because we aren't thrill seekers. How many of you out there choose to NOT bungee jump?? I certainly would never do it...but do I campaign for it to be outlawed? Never. I WOULD love to drive a race car around the Indy Speedway going around 200 mph once in my life...alot of people would choose not to. Again, we don't push for these things to be outlawed, we just choose not to do them. People make the decision to ride M:S. It is an intense ride and can be hard on the human body. WARNINGS ARE POSTED! BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SELF!


This ride has no issues. It was meant for healthy people. Why, for Pete's sake, would a person with severe, longstanding, high blood pressure choose to ride this?? I'm not so sure that riding the Teacups and spinning the heck out of 'em wouldn't have hurt this woman somehow :rolleyes:



ETA: Okay princess aurora, it took a while to finish my post(phone call)...but I see you did post the same thing I just did above...sorry
 
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