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I never expected them to close down attraction after attraction in Hollywood Studios either, so it's hard to fathom what is going on in the brains of the executives at this point.

-This to me is the truest indication of something big happening. The Backlot tour has been a shell of it's former self for 10 years. Why close it now?

- Legend of Jack Sparrow only opened two years ago. Why close it now?

- The hat's been there for 15 years. Why remove it now?

Something big is brewing - no doubt.
 
And I think that's what the executives have been discussing for the past several months. Which direction do we go with this place?

I've never pictured the Disney of late spending a lot of money because there was no need to. I never expected them to close down attraction after attraction in Hollywood Studios either, so it's hard to fathom what is going on in the brains of the executives at this point.

-This to me is the truest indication of something big happening. The Backlot tour has been a shell of it's former self for 10 years. Why close it now?

- Legend of Jack Sparrow only opened two years ago. Why close it now?

- The hat's been there for 15 years. Why remove it now?

Something big is brewing - no doubt.

I posted in another thread that things are not adding up at DHS. Is something big in the works, more then likely. However the timing seems to be piece meal and half baked at best.

Looking at it this way:
The Backlot tour isn't really in the way of anything. DHS spent a lot of money rehabbing all of the trams on the tour.Thi past baudget year. Theres at least 2 places near me that stripped the trams and the cars to the frames, and re did the whole thing. New paint jobs the works. Why spend all that money, if the attraction was going to close? The rehab and whatever Disney is up are/were in the same budget year. Youd think someone would have said HEY-lets not rehab. Were closing that ride this budget year. Also, the AFI, closed early, then reopened as Oaken. Why close something only to keep part of it open? Why the 1 week warning that the ride was closing?
Why close several attractions with very little warning? AI, for 1. That was scheduled to close at the end of the year. All of a sudden, closing in a few days. ( prior to its actual close) Then BLT. And the Hat.

If LMAs days are numbered to become Carsland, Starwars Extension or what ever else, why not wait to close BLT? Theres nothing that can be done realistically until LMA is out of the way. Could they drop CC? Sure. But why if they cant do anything else until LMA is out of the way?

Jack Sparrow, I can understand that, since TSMM is supposed to go into that bldg.


Theres just a lot of things that aren't adding up.
 
I posted in another thread that things are not adding up at DHS. Is something big in the works, more then likely. However the timing seems to be piece meal and half baked at best. Looking at it this way: The Backlot tour isn't really in the way of anything. DHS spent a lot of money rehabbing all of the trams on the tour.Thi past baudget year. Theres at least 2 places near me that stripped the trams and the cars to the frames, and re did the whole thing. New paint jobs the works. Why spend all that money, if the attraction was going to close? The rehab and whatever Disney is up are/were in the same budget year. Youd think someone would have said HEY-lets not rehab. Were closing that ride this budget year. Also, the AFI, closed early, then reopened as Oaken. Why close something only to keep part of it open? Why the 1 week warning that the ride was closing? Why close several attractions with very little warning? AI, for 1. That was scheduled to close at the end of the year. All of a sudden, closing in a few days. ( prior to its actual close) Then BLT. And the Hat. If LMAs days are numbered to become Carsland, Starwars Extension or what ever else, why not wait to close BLT? Theres nothing that can be done realistically until LMA is out of the way. Could they drop CC? Sure. But why if they cant do anything else until LMA is out of the way? Jack Sparrow, I can understand that, since TSMM is supposed to go into that bldg. Theres just a lot of things that aren't adding up.
The refurb of the trams and this budget for DHS makeover or whatever was not in the same year. The budget for the trams was in last years budget. I also think refurbishment are more of a local Orlando executive decision while a park makeover or expansion comes from the board. I really don't think the board cares all that much about refurbishments of attractions.

As we all know frozen is a mega success and disney is going to milk as much out of it as possible. Oakens moved because TSMM is getting a third track.

I'm also thinking we will see even more closures come after the holidays that being HISTK play ground and LMA. When these rides closed was the time the new 2015 budget was being approved it made perfect sense because of that to do these things. The props in BLT do have to be taken some where, LMA is a show that can a hold a lot of people and they needed to leave it open for the holidays so people have something to do. American Idol is rumored to become the new frozen sing along actually a permit was just filed to do work in there so that rumor may be actually happening and I think that has to do with why it closed early. TSMM is not going where Jack Sparrow was it's going where the wandering Oakes trading post was before it moved.
 

I don't know if anyone noticed this but Josh at EasyWDW (sort of) hid this nugget in one of his updates.

As reported a couple of weeks ago, the Sorcerer’s Hat is coming down in “early 2015,” most likely beginning the second week in January. Its removal is not so much a “re-connection” with the Studios’ original purpose, but more of a way to install a permanent stage and set off nightly fireworks. The hat gets in the way of both.

http://www.easywdw.com/uncategorized/hollywood-brown-derby-lounge-review-mickey-shorts-cookie-wandering-oaken%E2%80%99s-frozen-snowground-one-man%E2%80%99s-dream-big-hero-6-%E2%80%93-hollywood-studios-11114/
 
The refurb of the trams and this budget for DHS makeover or whatever was not in the same year. The budget for the trams was in last years budget. I also think refurbishment are more of a local Orlando executive decision while a park makeover or expansion comes from the board. I really don't think the board cares all that much about refurbishments of attractions.

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What I meant was that the BLT closure and the BLT refurb cme in the same budget year. The 2013/14 budget year. BLT closed in the 2013/14 budget year. The trams refurbed in the same budget year. Right now they are in the 2014/15 budget year. Whatever construction that happens is probably the 14/15 budget year. DHS has to ask Cali for money for refurbs. Each year, the heads of all of the departments say we need a total of x amount of millions. X amount is for this, y amount is for operating costs, z is for refurbs of this that and the other thing and so on and so forth. The park budgets aren't secret.(At least to execs). Then whoever is the overall head, goes to Cali and says I need x amount of money. This is what its going to, for and this is what we have planned in each area. They are gone over several times before approval. And they are itemized. Found the fiscal year ends on Sept 27th.(Same day that BLT closed) Which is probably close to the budget year. Either way, the abrupt closing of BLT means that there was either no money budgeted for the 14/15 year, and again either someone dropped the ball or something else is going on.

At some point someone in Cali says that hey- this is the 5 year plan for this park, 10 year plan and these are the steps we are going to take between now and 10 years to accomplish that. (every once in a while a curve ball pops up like Frozen)They do that for all aspects of Disney.
So either someone dropped the ball and missed the part of BLT closing and gave them refurb money anyway, or something else is up.

Making AI Frozen, Ok, I can see that its a bigger theater. Especially with its popularity.
The rest just seems very rushed with no real plan.
 
What I meant was that the BLT closure and the BLT refurb cme in the same budget year. The 2013/14 budget year. BLT closed in the 2013/14 budget year. The trams refurbed in the same budget year. Right now they are in the 2014/15 budget year. Whatever construction that happens is probably the 14/15 budget year. DHS has to ask Cali for money for refurbs. Each year, the heads of all of the departments say we need a total of x amount of millions. X amount is for this, y amount is for operating costs, z is for refurbs of this that and the other thing and so on and so forth. The park budgets aren't secret.(At least to execs). Then whoever is the overall head, goes to Cali and says I need x amount of money. This is what its going to, for and this is what we have planned in each area. They are gone over several times before approval. And they are itemized. Found the fiscal year ends on Sept 27th.(Same day that BLT closed) Which is probably close to the budget year. Either way, the abrupt closing of BLT means that there was either no money budgeted for the 14/15 year, and again either someone dropped the ball or something else is going on. At some point someone in Cali says that hey- this is the 5 year plan for this park, 10 year plan and these are the steps we are going to take between now and 10 years to accomplish that. (every once in a while a curve ball pops up like Frozen)They do that for all aspects of Disney. So either someone dropped the ball and missed the part of BLT closing and gave them refurb money anyway, or something else is up. Making AI Frozen, Ok, I can see that its a bigger theater. Especially with its popularity. The rest just seems very rushed with no real plan.
I understand that. The tram refurb was in the 2013 fiscal year budget. The closure came during the 2014 fiscal year budget at the time when the 2015 fiscal year budget was being approved. Disney starts their fiscal year in October. Something else is definitely going on no one dropped the ball. Refurbs happen all the time they aren't really factored in like major expansions would be. Come January I think we will see more happening in this park.
 
So either someone dropped the ball and missed the part of BLT closing and gave them refurb money anyway, or something else is up.

This is speculation, but based on what is known for sure along with some educated guessing, here's what probably happened. Back in 2012 they were all set to do a pretty big overhaul of DHS which would include a major Carsland presence. Then suddenly (or at least pretty quickly) Disney bought LucasFilm. Around that same point, the powers that be decided that (a) they weren't ready to spend the money on a big DHS refurb that year and (b) IF they were going to spend the money - it damn well would be focused on Star Wars, which at that time wasn't ready to go into construction mode.

So, basically the folks at TDO were told to hold off on the capital build and WDI went back to the drawing board. So, they probably had already planned to refurb the trams in 2013 (with 2013/2014 budget money) so they went ahead and did it. At the time they did it, there was not yet approval for this big project that appears to be a go now.

Why did the Backlot Tour get closed as early as it did when construction was yet to start? Again this is all speculation, but it goes along with how a typical business like Disney runs.

- They knew in 2015 Annual plan they were going to shutter this ride for a major expansion.
- They also knew that this ride is fairly expensive to run and maintain (catastrophe canyon in particular), and is not very popular.
- By closing it down at the end of September 2014, they can basically cut the operating expense of this ride completely from 2015. Sure, they could've kept it running another 3-6 months, but knowing what is coming it just didn't make financial sense. They could cut budget here, which likely saved them from cutting operation budget elsewhere.

Based on normal business logic, closing the tram when they did makes perfect sense. This even could explain why American Idol was closed up. (Again, why spend money in a Fiscal year on an attraction that's closing anyways.)

The rest just seems very rushed with no real plan.

I am not sure how you can say this.

(A) they've only closed things, they haven't really started building anything.
(B) you (and I) have no idea WHAT the plan is.

rteetz likes to think some rumors hold more water than others because of who is saying them. Me, I take any individual rumors with a grain of salt, regardless of who says them. However, I consider the quantity of the rumors and combine that with the evidence of what is actually occurring.

To me, all these things point to the exact opposite of what you stated. There is a very specific plan for something to happen at DHS in the near future. That something is probably pretty big. That something almost definitely includes Star Wars. A major, major overhaul of the park is not something to take likely. DHS, while the lowest attended of the WDW parks, was never the ******* step-child that DCA was. And they TORE UP DCA. If they are doing a complete park overhaul, they need to really know exactly what they are doing so that they don't LOSE customers over the next 3-4 years, keeping as much of the park open for as long as possible. This is likely why an overhaul may occur in stages. Expand pixar place first. Then when you have 2 or 3 new rides over there, you won't mind so much when they close these OTHER things over on this side of the park.
 
This is speculation, but based on what is known for sure along with some educated guessing, here's what probably happened. Back in 2012 they were all set to do a pretty big overhaul of DHS which would include a major Carsland presence. Then suddenly (or at least pretty quickly) Disney bought LucasFilm. Around that same point, the powers that be decided that (a) they weren't ready to spend the money on a big DHS refurb that year and (b) IF they were going to spend the money - it damn well would be focused on Star Wars, which at that time wasn't ready to go into construction mode. So, basically the folks at TDO were told to hold off on the capital build and WDI went back to the drawing board. So, they probably had already planned to refurb the trams in 2013 (with 2013/2014 budget money) so they went ahead and did it. At the time they did it, there was not yet approval for this big project that appears to be a go now. Why did the Backlot Tour get closed as early as it did when construction was yet to start? Again this is all speculation, but it goes along with how a typical business like Disney runs. - They knew in 2015 Annual plan they were going to shutter this ride for a major expansion. - They also knew that this ride is fairly expensive to run and maintain (catastrophe canyon in particular), and is not very popular. - By closing it down at the end of September 2014, they can basically cut the operating expense of this ride completely from 2015. Sure, they could've kept it running another 3-6 months, but knowing what is coming it just didn't make financial sense. They could cut budget here, which likely saved them from cutting operation budget elsewhere. Based on normal business logic, closing the tram when they did makes perfect sense. This even could explain why American Idol was closed up. (Again, why spend money in a Fiscal year on an attraction that's closing anyways.) I am not sure how you can say this. (A) they've only closed things, they haven't really started building anything. (B) you (and I) have no idea WHAT the plan is. rteetz likes to think some rumors hold more water than others because of who is saying them. Me, I take any individual rumors with a grain of salt, regardless of who says them. However, I consider the quantity of the rumors and combine that with the evidence of what is actually occurring. To me, all these things point to the exact opposite of what you stated. There is a very specific plan for something to happen at DHS in the near future. That something is probably pretty big. That something almost definitely includes Star Wars. A major, major overhaul of the park is not something to take likely. DHS, while the lowest attended of the WDW parks, was never the ******* step-child that DCA was. And they TORE UP DCA. If they are doing a complete park overhaul, they need to really know exactly what they are doing so that they don't LOSE customers over the next 3-4 years, keeping as much of the park open for as long as possible. This is likely why an overhaul may occur in stages. Expand pixar place first. Then when you have 2 or 3 new rides over there, you won't mind so much when they close these OTHER things over on this side of the park.
I believe people who tend to be right on most occasions I don't believe just any rumor because there are a lot of them out there. I also don't say it's for sure I just say it's a strong rumor which means a greater possibility of coming true.
 
I understand that. The tram refurb was in the 2013 fiscal year budget. The closure came during the 2014 fiscal year budget at the time when the 2015 fiscal year budget was being approved. Disney starts their fiscal year in October. Something else is definitely going on no one dropped the ball. Refurbs happenall the time they aren't really factored in like major expansions would be. Come January I think we will see more happening in this park.


The refurb would be talked about while they were in the 12/13 budget year. The OK to do it, with the money would be in the Oct 2013/Sept14 budget. (The one that just ended) The new budget year (Oct2014/Sept 15) started after the ride closed, and was refurbed. Both the refurb and the closure were in the same budget year.
 
The refurb would be talked about while they were in the 12/13 budget year. The OK to do it, with the money would be in the Oct 2013/Sept14 budget. (The one that just ended) The new budget year (Oct2014/Sept 15) started after the ride closed, and was refurbed. Both the refurb and the closure were in the same budget year.
Yes the closure was in the same year but when budgets are being okayed they will do things in preparation for that new fiscal year. Disney just opened jack sparrow two years ago and it closed suddenly for no obvious reason. We don't know what's happening but obviously something is. Why is this such a big problem it's Disney's money not ours except for the money we give them to pay for our vacations.
 
This is speculation, but based on what is known for sure along with some educated guessing, here's what probably happened. Back in 2012 they were all set to do a pretty big overhaul of DHS which would include a major Carsland presence. Then suddenly (or at least pretty quickly) Disney bought LucasFilm. Around that same point, the powers that be decided that (a) they weren't ready to spend the money on a big DHS refurb that year and (b) IF they were going to spend the money - it damn well would be focused on Star Wars, which at that time wasn't ready to go into construction mode.

So, basically the folks at TDO were told to hold off on the capital build and WDI went back to the drawing board. So, they probably had already planned to refurb the trams in 2013 (with 2013/2014 budget money) so they went ahead and did it. At the time they did it, there was not yet approval for this big project that appears to be a go now.

Why did the Backlot Tour get closed as early as it did when construction was yet to start? Again this is all speculation, but it goes along with how a typical business like Disney runs.

- They knew in 2015 Annual plan they were going to shutter this ride for a major expansion.
- They also knew that this ride is fairly expensive to run and maintain (catastrophe canyon in particular), and is not very popular.
- By closing it down at the end of September 2014, they can basically cut the operating expense of this ride completely from 2015. Sure, they could've kept it running another 3-6 months, but knowing what is coming it just didn't make financial sense. They could cut budget here, which likely saved them from cutting operation budget elsewhere.

Based on normal business logic, closing the tram when they did makes perfect sense. This even could explain why American Idol was closed up. (Again, why spend money in a Fiscal year on an attraction that's closing anyways.)



I am not sure how you can say this.

(A) they've only closed things, they haven't really started building anything.
(B) you (and I) have no idea WHAT the plan is.

To me, all these things point to the exact opposite of what you stated. There is a very specific plan for something to happen at DHS in the near future. That something is probably pretty big.

The way Im looking at it is this. Just say for argument sakes, that it cost $25000 per tram for the refurb. multiply that by say 10 trams. (not sure how many they did but just for arguments sake) So say $250000 for the rehab.
Now. WDW or WDI or Walt pops up and says, Were going to do this that and the other thing in DHS. and BLT is going to need to close. Ok. Why not cancel the contract for the refurb? Disney does it all the time for different things and different reasons. They canceled 2 ships in 2001. The last trams were done literally 3-4 weeks prior to the announced closing. I watched them get loaded on a trailer for the trip back. To me, that would have been wasted money.
Now Frozen is big ok, so moving Frozen from its current home to AI makes sense.

Now, lets assume for a second that it is/was in the cards to close in the 14/15 budget. Well say it was supposed to close Jan 1st and LMA is closing at the same time to be bulldozed to make room for Project X which I have no doubt something big is coming. Say Jan 8th the cranes and dozers are going to show up. Oct 1 to Jan 1 is 3 months. Say it costs $100000 a day to run the ride. DHS would save $50,000 for the time that the ride is open. Assuming that the numbers I used are somewhere close to being accurate. So there is no real cost saving there. It would get eaten up by the refurb.
Add in that Oakens is in the old AFI building, and would have to move again, even more money is wasted, because now you have to not only move it, but find a home for it for a second time.

Now lets assume that Disney says LMA is closing when its contract is up on Dec 31 and well close BLT at the end of the 13/14 fiscal year to save money. DHS just saved $550000 dollars that can be earmarked for other things. Simply by canceling the refurb, or even a protion of the refurb and closing early.
 
Yes the closure was in the same year but when budgets are being okayed they will do things in preparation for that new fiscal year. Disney just opened jack sparrow two years ago and it closed suddenly for no obvious reason. We don't know what's happening but obviously something is. Why is this such a big problem it's Disney's money not ours except for the money we give them to pay for our vacations.

All Im saying is that the things aren't adding up in my mind. For things to be planned, it seems disorganized as far as closure announcements. Is there something coming? More then likely. What will it be? I don't know. If the plan is to move the entrance road, and level LMA and BLT, for what ever, closing BLT suddenly and leaving LMA makes me scratch my head and say huh?

The new TSM is most likely going into the Jack Sparrow soundstage. That bldg. is connected to the original TSMM bldg. Where Oakens was, isn't connected. Theres an overhead walkway That's it. It makes more sense to put the 3 tacks back to back to back, where 1 line can feed all 3 tracks.
 
The new TSM is most likely going into the Jack Sparrow soundstage. That bldg. is connected to the original TSMM bldg. Where Oakens was, isn't connected. Theres an overhead walkway That's it. It makes more sense to put the 3 tacks back to back to back, where 1 line can feed all 3 tracks.

The rumor is that (at least) one of the tracks will be FP+ only. So there's no need for 1 line to feed all 3 tracks or for the rides to be connected at all.
 
The new TSM is most likely going into the Jack Sparrow soundstage. That bldg. is connected to the original TSMM bldg. Where Oakens was, isn't connected. Theres an overhead walkway That's it. It makes more sense to put the 3 tacks back to back to back, where 1 line can feed all 3 tracks.

I think you have the buildings flip flopped.

Jack Sparrow was in the same building as One Man's Dream.
There was a walkway (with restrooms) between that and the TSMM building.

Wandering Oakens was in Soundstage 1, which is part of the TSMM building.
 
All Im saying is that the things aren't adding up in my mind. For things to be planned, it seems disorganized as far as closure announcements. Is there something coming? More then likely. What will it be? I don't know. If the plan is to move the entrance road, and level LMA and BLT, for what ever, closing BLT suddenly and leaving LMA makes me scratch my head and say huh? The new TSM is most likely going into the Jack Sparrow soundstage. That bldg. is connected to the original TSMM bldg. Where Oakens was, isn't connected. Theres an overhead walkway That's it. It makes more sense to put the 3 tacks back to back to back, where 1 line can feed all 3 tracks.
You can't close everything there needs to be something for people to do. That's why it's rumored LMA will close after the holidays when crowds die down again. The third track is not most likely going into the jack sparrow building that building isn't next to the current TSMM. Sound stage 1 the building that had held the wandering Oakens trading post previously is getting the third track there are several permits for that building that expire in 2016 and that building is right next TSMM. You're getting the two building confused the building where sparrow was has the overhead section. I am currently looking at a map of DHS. The jack sparrow building is not connected to TSMM, jack sparrow has the overhead part and is to the left. Sound stage one is the building connected to TSMM and is to the left. The jack sparrow building isn't in pixar place at all.
 
All Im saying is that the things aren't adding up in my mind. For things to be planned, it seems disorganized as far as closure announcements. Is there something coming? More then likely. What will it be? I don't know. If the plan is to move the entrance road, and level LMA and BLT, for what ever, closing BLT suddenly and leaving LMA makes me scratch my head and say huh?

The new TSM is most likely going into the Jack Sparrow soundstage. That bldg. is connected to the original TSMM bldg. Where Oakens was, isn't connected. Theres an overhead walkway That's it. It makes more sense to put the 3 tacks back to back to back, where 1 line can feed all 3 tracks.




This shows where the buildings are.
 
This is speculation, but based on what is known for sure along with some educated guessing, here's what probably happened. Back in 2012 they were all set to do a pretty big overhaul of DHS which would include a major Carsland presence. Then suddenly (or at least pretty quickly) Disney bought LucasFilm. Around that same point, the powers that be decided that (a) they weren't ready to spend the money on a big DHS refurb that year and (b) IF they were going to spend the money - it damn well would be focused on Star Wars, which at that time wasn't ready to go into construction mode.


There is a very specific plan for something to happen at DHS in the near future. That something is probably pretty big. That something almost definitely includes Star Wars. A major, major overhaul of the park is not something to take likely. DHS, while the lowest attended of the WDW parks, was never the ******* step-child that DCA was. And they TORE UP DCA. If they are doing a complete park overhaul, they need to really know exactly what they are doing so that they don't LOSE customers over the next 3-4 years, keeping as much of the park open for as long as possible. This is likely why an overhaul may occur in stages. Expand pixar place first. Then when you have 2 or 3 new rides over there, you won't mind so much when they close these OTHER things over on this side of the park.

I'm not so sure on the LucasFilm thing. You don't make a 4 billion dollar purchase overnight.

I remember reading some of the business articles circulating after the public announcement (meaning privately it was decided much earlier) of the acquisition and Iger and Lucas had discussed this several times in the past. I would wager that talks went back as far as the Eisner days. In short, if there was a plan to overhaul Hollywood Studios back in 2012 they knew then that The Force was in their back pocket. The more I think about it, the more I think that what stopped an overhaul was the Paris issue. As with LucasArts you don't spend billions overnight, so I'm guessing Burbank knew that they were going to do triage in Paris, but when and how much was probably still being discussed.

Fast foward to today and something - and I can't put my finger on it - is encouraging them to go hog wild in Hollywood Studios, or they are doing something enormously stupid. They know they are neck deep into Paris and the game is far from over, and that more money may be needed there.

Why shut down over half the park knowing full well that if you plan big that means tearing up the sidewalk (and maybe the parking lot too)? With only a handful of attractions open (big attractions yes but still only a handful) and a bunch of construction going on that's probably going to keep folks away.

Perhaps that's something they'll make use of. Maybe their plan is to have a true half-day park (open from, say, 0900 to 1400) each day and then shut the doors so construction can go unencumbered for a big chunk of the day, especially with the start of extra daylight after a spring-forward in March. Afterall, why spend seven to nine hours in a park with four or five attractions? Disney knows guests are going to leave or come in at midday, so might as well pack 'em all in first thing then usher them out promptly and start/resume digging. Financially this keeps a tighter and smaller number of cast members around and helps to limit liability concerns. Additionally it hasn't hurt Animal Kingdom to close just three hours later and this won't be a permanent venture.

Either that or leave the park open, have hardhats everywhere with guests dodging them and stretch out the work for half a decade or more. Or worse yet, drive guests into the hands of the enemy up the street.
 
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