News Round Up 2017

[rteetz]

Box office numbers

Frozen - 1.276 billion
Zooptopia- 1.024 billion
Up - 735.1 million
Moana - 642.8 million
Monsters Inc. - 577.4 million
Toy Story 2 - 497.3 million
Cars - 462.2 million

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It's not true it's your opinion. You obviously didn't like the film that much but that doesn't mean everyone is like you.

Of course it's my opinion...and I didn't say I didn't like it. Im saying it was solid but not top tier exceptional.

The lecture response isn't necessary. I'm not fighting the things you're fighting.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Box office numbers

Frozen - 1.276 billion
Zooptopia- 1.024 billion
Up - 735.1 million
Moana - 642.8 million
Monsters Inc. - 577.4 million
Toy Story 2 - 497.3 million
Cars - 462.2 million

I like these numbers better... adjusted for inflation and gives a sense of staying power over time: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

(though I still can't explain Avatar being where it is at #15... ... )

ETA: Zootopia already hits #185, Moana not on the list... at least not yet...

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Box office numbers

Frozen - 1.276 billion
Zooptopia- 1.024 billion
Up - 735.1 million
Moana - 642.8 million
Monsters Inc. - 577.4 million
Toy Story 2 - 497.3 million
Cars - 462.2 million

Now factor inflation and tell me what it looks like...

Come on, I know when the heavy is being played and your playing the heavy here.

No need to defend moana's honor. It is what it is...which is not worthy of major theme park investment based on past patterns. That's hard to dispute.

 

[rteetz]

I like these numbers better... adjusted for inflation and gives a sense of staying power over time: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

(though I still can't explain Avatar being where it is... ... )

I was comparing it to other Disney movies. Moana doesn't compare to avatar, gone with the wind, etc.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Did better than I thought it did; and obviously the rest is subjective. We felt like it draaaaaaaagged and weren't really drawn in by any of the characters. To each his own!

.

I will say the first time I watched it I only thought it was OK, then I watched it more thinking about my daughter and what she could take away from it, etc. and it made me appreciate it a bit more - and I do like a lot of the songs - particularly "We Know the Way"

As for the plot - it's basically Star Wars:
- young person longs for something beyond their location they feel stuck in (Moana = Luke)
- "crazy" person teaches them about something inside of them that makes them special (Grandmother = Yoda)
- External power helps out younger person (water = the force)
- young person goes into a cave to learn a lesson (Moana in the cave learns about ancestors = Luke in cave sees Darth Vader/his face in mask)
- Goes on a quest, supported by a cocky, snarky guy (Maui = Hon Solo)
- Cocky, Snarky guy leaves but comes back to enable the young person to complete mission (Maui comes back enabling Moana to return the heart = Hon Solo comes back to let Luke free to blow up death star)
- Bad guy turns out to really be a changed good guy who changes back in the end (Ta'ka/Tefiti = Darth Vader/Anikan Skywalker)

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I like these numbers better... adjusted for inflation and gives a sense of staying power over time: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

(though I still can't explain Avatar being where it is at #15... ... )

ETA: Zootopia already hits #185, Moana not on the list... at least not yet...

Exactly...

...which is why there has never been anything like Star Wars...

 

[OhioStateBuckeye]

Longterm?

Is moana gonna have legs? You can call me out all you want. But I always step back and look at things (takes about a minute) before I assess these things...not a huff of dust.

4 years ago frozen was decreed a "cultural phenomenon"...but (you can check) I got shouted at for saying it would end up being like little mermaid and beauty and the beast.

And now it's pretty much little mermaid. Which was a reasonable expectation.

I think it really all comes down to merch numbers and maybe DVD sales. I think box office is small peanuts compared to those but I am not aware if merch numbers ever get released.

For all we know, they're making a lot off of that which might cause Disney to want to give Moana a higher presence in the parks.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I was comparing it to other Disney movies. Moana doesn't compare to avatar, gone with the wind, etc.

Take a look at the link I posted and pull out just the Disney movies. Still more relevant than the list you posted.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I will say the first time I watched it I only thought it was OK, then I watched it more thinking about my daughter and what she could take away from it, etc. and it made me appreciate it a bit more - and I do like a lot of the songs - particularly "We Know the Way"

As for the plot - it's basically Star Wars:
- young person longs for something beyond their location they feel stuck in (Moana = Luke)
- "crazy" person teaches them about something inside of them that makes them special (Grandmother = Yoda)
- External power helps out younger person (water = the force)
- young person goes into a cave to learn a lesson (Moana in the cave learns about ancestors = Luke in cave sees Darth Vader/his face in mask)
- Goes on a quest, supported by a cocky, snarky guy (Maui = Hon Solo)
- Cocky, Snarky guy leaves but comes back to enable the young person to complete mission (Maui comes back enabling Moana to return the heart = Hon Solo comes back to let Luke free to blow up death star)
- Bad guy turns out to really be a changed good guy who changes back in the end (Ta'ka/Tefiti = Darth Vader/Anikan Skywalker)

Now here I agree...I thought it was pretty bad the first time I saw it and I started to enjoy it the second.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I was comparing it to other Disney movies. Moana doesn't compare to avatar, gone with the wind, etc.

It's kinda hard to compare anything today to things like Gone with the Wind - back then your forms of entertainment were a bit more, um, limited than they are today

 

[rteetz]

Of course it's my opinion...and I didn't say I didn't like it. Im saying it was solid but not top tier exceptional.

The lecture response isn't necessary. I'm not fighting the things you're fighting.

They don't do overlays for relatively minor movies

Was ok...none of that stuff was exceptional, frankly.

They had the Hamilton guy...so people showed...but none of the songs made sense and the story was rather weak.

You stated it was a minor movie. That was not true.

None of the songs made sense to you but they did to me and others. Otherwise they wouldn't have had Oscar nominations, and Auli'i singing at the Oscars.

 

[rteetz]

It's kinda hard to compare anything today to things like Gone with the Wind - back then your forms of entertainment were a bit more, um, limited than they are today

Another good point.

 

[OhioStateBuckeye]

I will say the first time I watched it I only thought it was OK, then I watched it more thinking about my daughter and what she could take away from it, etc. and it made me appreciate it a bit more - and I do like a lot of the songs - particularly "We Know the Way"

As for the plot - it's basically Star Wars:
- young person longs for something beyond their location they feel stuck in (Moana = Luke)
- "crazy" person teaches them about something inside of them that makes them special (Grandmother = Yoda)
- External power helps out younger person (water = the force)
- young person goes into a cave to learn a lesson (Moana in the cave learns about ancestors = Luke in cave sees Darth Vader/his face in mask)
- Goes on a quest, supported by a cocky, snarky guy (Maui = Hon Solo)
- Cocky, Snarky guy leaves but comes back to enable the young person to complete mission (Maui comes back enabling Moana to return the heart = Hon Solo comes back to let Luke free to blow up death star)
- Bad guy turns out to really be a changed good guy who changes back in the end (Ta'ka/Tefiti = Darth Vader/Anikan Skywalker)

To be fair there are actually very few plots in this world. Lots of movies/books/whatever use that one.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I think it really all comes down to merch numbers and maybe DVD sales. I think box office is small peanuts compared to those but I am not aware if merch numbers ever get released.

For all we know, they're making a lot off of that which might cause Disney to want to give Moana a higher presence in the parks.

But those merch numbers are always relative too because of price increases year over year.

Home video is dying...so that's a tough thing to track too.

Disney made the most profits off those big plastic case VHS tapes years ago - adjusted for inflation.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I will say the first time I watched it I only thought it was OK, then I watched it more thinking about my daughter and what she could take away from it, etc. and it made me appreciate it a bit more - and I do like a lot of the songs - particularly "We Know the Way"

Now here I agree...I thought it was pretty bad the first time I saw it and I started to enjoy it the second.

You guys might be right -- I've only seen it once. Maybe I'll watch it on my flight to WDW next week...

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It was...but zootopia was the biggest Disney hit last year...and really since frozen.

Not as good this year...as their reliance on sequels is starting to bore the box office.

I enjoyed Zootopia for different reasons than Moana. I found the music and animation, especially that darn water which looked amazing, to be better than Zootopia (although Zootopia did still have really good animation) but I enjoyed Zootopia for what I felt was a more adult-engaging theme.

TBH I don't remember the music from Zootopia but lord knows my husband and I still have a couple of songs stuck in our heads from Moana and that's totally ok. Sometimes you don't really need to have catchy music for films such as these.

 

[rteetz]

Take a look at the link I posted and pull out just the Disney movies. Still more relevant than the list you posted.

I was looking at worldwide numbers those are just domestic. Yes I get your point but my point was showing that Moana was not a minor movie and was successful.

 

[OhioStateBuckeye]

But those merch numbers are always relative too because of price increases year over year.

Home video is dying...so that's a tough thing to track too.

Disney made the most profits off those big plastic case VHS tapes years ago - adjusted for inflation.

I'm not trying to say Moana merch is approaching Frozen merch numbers (we can all assume those were huge).

I'm just thinking Disney is probably following the 'what is making us money right now' philosophy.

(edited to add) Really this is a moot conversation point anyway because we don't know the merch numbers. They could sell a ton of stuff or they could be selling nothing. I don't know.

 

[rteetz]

I enjoyed Zootopia for different reasons than Moana. I found the music and animation, especially that darn water which looked amazing, to be better than Zootopia (although Zootopia did still have really good animation) but I enjoyed Zootopia for what I felt was a more adult-engaging theme.

TBH I don't remember the music from Zootopia but lord knows my husband and I still have a couple of songs stuck in our heads from Moana and that's totally ok. Sometimes you don't really need to have catchy music for films such as these.

Zootopia wasn't a musical so that's why the music wasn't memorable. They had the one shakira song and that was it basically.