News Round Up 2016

Priced out does not necessarily mean they couldn't go there if they scrimped and saved and never spent money on anything else. It means either they used to be able to afford it or traditionally they are in a bracket who would have been able to afford it. "Whining" about that is an entirely reasonable response. It's legitimate to question whether Disney really should be something that requires you sacrifice to "MAKE IT HAPPEN" or indeed whether it actually is good enough to justify such behavior.

The difference between Disney and Europe is that Europe isn't a single entity, you can't point it and say "this is why we can't afford to do this". It's a flawed comparison. You can, and I do point to some of the airfares however and complain about the absurdity of them.

Of course so long as people continue to talk about "magic" and "trip of a lifetime" Disney will be able to continue raising prices while lowering quality.

I kind of fall into this category. I was lucky enough to start going to Disney in 06 when room rates, tickets, flights and rental cars were all unimaginably cheap. Even though I was in law school at that time, I feel I could better afford the trip at that point than I can now that I have an actual job. So it does kind of suck. I think that is where my whining comes from. It just kind of sucks that I feel like I should be able to better afford a trip to Disney now that I'm employed, but the prices have gone up so much that isn't really the case.
 
A lot depends on the size of your family. We have just the three of us (me, DW and DD). If I had 3 or 4 kids, with the need for larger rooms and the more tickets and food, I would certainly be going a lot more frequently or staying off-site.

It's funny the DD mentioned going in 2006 "when it was cheap". At that time, people were still complaining about the rates and the costs - even though the dining plan cost a mere $38 a day and tickets were about 2/3 the price they are now.
 
Priced out does not necessarily mean they couldn't go there if they scrimped and saved and never spent money on anything else. It means either they used to be able to afford it or traditionally they are in a bracket who would have been able to afford it. "Whining" about that is an entirely reasonable response. It's legitimate to question whether Disney really should be something that requires you sacrifice to "MAKE IT HAPPEN" or indeed whether it actually is good enough to justify such behavior.

The difference between Disney and Europe is that Europe isn't a single entity, you can't point it and say "this is why we can't afford to do this". It's a flawed comparison. You can, and I do point to some of the airfares however and complain about the absurdity of them.

Of course so long as people continue to talk about "magic" and "trip of a lifetime" Disney will be able to continue raising prices while lowering quality.

Europe might be a flawed comparison, but a ski trip, a cruise, a trip to Mexico, etc. - all of those vacation destinations are "priced out" of many people's budgets. And they accept it. Beyond vacations, we ALL (except maybe the über-wealthy) get priced out things somewhere along the way - be they vacations, cars, houses, etc.

I get it that it used to be an "AND" option and now it may be an "OR" option or a "WAIT & SAVE" option and that's a bitter pill to swallow. And just because you are "traditionally within a bracket who would have been able to afford it" doesn't mean you're entitled to afford it. If you are in that bracket, then my guess is that it wouldn't even require huge sacrifices to save up - if it's a priority for you and your family. Sometimes things we enjoy take a little more effort to obtain. And bottom line - we are talking a VACATION destination, not a basic need but a "want."

I'm not exactly sure I understand when you say, "It's entirely legitimate to question whether Disney really should be something that requires you to sacrifice..." Are you saying that Disney SHOULD be affordable? Or are you saying that one should question the VALUE of it? If the former, no vacation experience is owed to any of us. If it is the latter, then that is up to the individual to make that determination...and some may say no - it's not worth the money right now.

I will give it to you that being a publicly traded company has is pros and cons. One of the pros is having capital to invest in expanding the companies products, services, locations, etc. The con, of course, is having to answer to shareholders. Shareholders expect a return on their investment, and thus, decisions are made based on keeping shareholders happy. It's a delicate balance and sometimes companies swing too far in favor of the shareholders to the dissatisfaction of their customers. Has Dianey done this? Who knows - only time and revenue will tell.

I kind of fall into this category. I was lucky enough to start going to Disney in 06 when room rates, tickets, flights and rental cars were all unimaginably cheap. Even though I was in law school at that time, I feel I could better afford the trip at that point than I can now that I have an actual job. So it does kind of suck. I think that is where my whining comes from. It just kind of sucks that I feel like I should be able to better afford a trip to Disney now that I'm employed, but the prices have gone up so much that isn't really the case.

And I'm in the opposite boat. When the economy was in recession we had to make major sacrifices so that my DH's business stayed afloat. There was no way we could have afforded to go to Disney - or any other vacation for that matter - back then.

I suspect that there are a number of people like you who were in a position to take advantage of those offers and were spoiled by it (in a good way). I mean - wow! I hear about the stay 4 nights get three free (or whatever deal that was) and I think what an amazing deal that was! That must have been the life, because I'm sure the parks were not crowded either! But don't you think that for you - you WILL be able to afford it again? Maybe not as soon as you'd like, but isn't it reasonable that you could save up over two, three, four years to go again? I mean, I went in high school, went for college graduation (thanks to working at The Disney Store for three years in college) and ONCE when I lived in Orlando for grad school. Then I didn't get to go back for 14 years! Sometimes we go through seasons of life where we just can't go - and it may not even have anything to do with pricing.

I will say that I do feel badly for our international friends - they are subject to exchange rates which are somewhat unpredictable and completely out of their control. That adds a completely different layer of complexity that is truly out of their control.

Anyway, I just felt the need to to add some perspective. WDW is a vacation destination, not a rite of passage. One day I may no longer be able to afford it, or I may decide it's not worth my family's hard-earned and saved dollars. But, I'll take responsibility in either case, just as Disney will have to take responsibility in the long run for the decisions it makes regarding pricing.
 
I get it that it used to be an "AND" option and now it may be an "OR" option or a "WAIT & SAVE" option and that's a bitter pill to swallow. And just because you are "traditionally within a bracket who would have been able to afford it" doesn't mean you're entitled to afford it. If you are in that bracket, then my guess is that it wouldn't even require huge sacrifices to save up - if it's a priority for you and your family. Sometimes things we enjoy take a little more effort to obtain. And bottom line - we are talking a VACATION destination, not a basic need but a "want.".

This is very true. Some of us live more modest than we might otherwise just to be able to afford these vacations. We could choose to have a much bigger house and new cars, but instead get by with a modest house and cars with 100,000 miles on them to be able to afford the vacations we want to take - even though vacation prices are going up at rates much higher than our income. This is the case with most entertainment. Our hockey season tickets have doubled in price in that last 10 years. (My other "luxury", though I share them with 2 other guys so it's not really that much money.) I am honestly beginning to wonder how much longer I'll be able to keep those. We bought into DVC two years ago for the same reason - cost certainty against future vacations, or at least greater certainty.
 

A lot depends on the size of your family. We have just the three of us (me, DW and DD). If I had 3 or 4 kids, with the need for larger rooms and the more tickets and food, I would certainly be going a lot more frequently or staying off-site

Yes, I will say that with four kids the only way we could afford to go the first time was to stay off-site and go with a homeschool group where we were able to get lower priced tickets. This year, we are going on our own and are able to stay on-site for a few of the nights since our oldest will be off at college. The irony of it is that though there will be fewer of us, we'll have more Disney adults! :crazy2:

Just to add - the recent ticket increases are NOTHING compared to how much the YES/educational tickets went up! Whereas when we went the last two times - around 5 & 3 years ago - 7/8 day tickets were probably discounted by 40%! This year there is less than a 10% discount AND they limited it to 5 days. Now, it could be that the organizer made the choice to only get 5 day tickets, but regardless, the discount is nothing compared to what it once was!
 
Starting to think maybe all this talk about tickets should be taken to a different thread. I might be in minority but kind of think everybody use opinions and complaints about it are taking away from what used to be a good thread. Just skipped most of last two pages cause of it. Just my opinion
 
Starting to think maybe all this talk about tickets should be taken to a different thread. I might be in minority but kind of think everybody use opinions and complaints about it are taking away from what used to be a good thread. Just skipped most of last two pages cause of it. Just my opinion
I would tend to agree we have two other threads on this very board for the new ticket increases. Other boards have even more threads
 
Starting to think maybe all this talk about tickets should be taken to a different thread. I might be in minority but kind of think everybody use opinions and complaints about it are taking away from what used to be a good thread. Just skipped most of last two pages cause of it. Just my opinion

Good point - It's a big enough topic for another thread - and there's an "increased ticket price" thread on the Rumors/News boards that we can all use!

So when's Rivers of Light starting up?
 
Europe might be a flawed comparison, but a ski trip, a cruise, a trip to Mexico, etc. - all of those vacation destinations are "priced out" of many people's budgets. And they accept it. Beyond vacations, we ALL (except maybe the über-wealthy) get priced out things somewhere along the way - be they vacations, cars, houses, etc.

I get it that it used to be an "AND" option and now it may be an "OR" option or a "WAIT & SAVE" option and that's a bitter pill to swallow. And just because you are "traditionally within a bracket who would have been able to afford it" doesn't mean you're entitled to afford it. If you are in that bracket, then my guess is that it wouldn't even require huge sacrifices to save up - if it's a priority for you and your family. Sometimes things we enjoy take a little more effort to obtain. And bottom line - we are talking a VACATION destination, not a basic need but a "want."

I'm not exactly sure I understand when you say, "It's entirely legitimate to question whether Disney really should be something that requires you to sacrifice..." Are you saying that Disney SHOULD be affordable? Or are you saying that one should question the VALUE of it? If the former, no vacation experience is owed to any of us. If it is the latter, then that is up to the individual to make that determination...and some may say no - it's not worth the money right now.

Amongst other things I'm saying that historically Disney was affordable (I posted a chart showing how that has changed) so it's a reasonable expectation that it might still be AND that there's a question about the value of Disney. It has nothing to do with being owed something, but I don't think people should be dismissed as whining if they question either the value or the change in affordability of the vacation.

I'd also argue that people should seriously question whether Disney deserves to have people scrimping and saving to go there.
 
If I dropped my cable subscription, at ~$200 per month and cell phone bill ~$250 (five phones) then a WDW trip would be totally possible, every 6 months based on a $5K expense. Now ten years ago the cable and phone and pager did not add up to that amount. The new services / options and other spends decreases disposable income. That, and don't send DD to a college 1500 miles away without taking round trip airfare into account :)
I see the increase in ticket fees just one part of the overall expense. Take in food costs, airplane seats, rack rate and souvenirs means tickets are 20% of the total bill? 15%? The increase adds a small percent to a small percent of the overall expense.
 
First Bob Iger sighting at the Oscars. His wife is not wearing a yoda dress this time around. No Star Wars theme at all for her surprisingly enough.
 
First Bob Iger sighting at the Oscars. His wife is not wearing a yoda dress this time around. No Star Wars theme at all for her surprisingly enough.

Because it was a "bootquel" and Hollywood as a society hasn't said
Much about it...perhaps?
 
Ticket price increases are far more "newsworthy" for the news thread than 95% of the posts...if we're honest.
 
Ticket price increases are far more "newsworthy" for the news thread than 95% of the posts...if we're honest.
We often have this discussion. Yes it is newsworthy which is why there are other threads where it's being discussed. This thread isn't for those big news stories it never has been. It's for smaller things, like construction updates, rumors, menu changes, new merchandise , etc. stuff like that, that doesn't need its own thread.
 
Amongst other things I'm saying that historically Disney was affordable (I posted a chart showing how that has changed) so it's a reasonable expectation that it might still be AND that there's a question about the value of Disney. It has nothing to do with being owed something, but I don't think people should be dismissed as whining if they question either the value or the change in affordability of the vacation.

I'd also argue that people should seriously question whether Disney deserves to have people scrimping and saving to go there.

If you follow that chart...what's key to it is that pricing vs value was cyclical...it would go up and be steep for a few years and then life would catch up to it and close the gap. I've said that 2000 was the peak at wdw...I'm 102% sure of it
Now.

One of the main reasons was that it was a great deal...your rooms, tickets and especially your bill for breakfast or lunch.

The Iger regime won't let that happen...they're like a tick on a pig in breeding season...keep sucking.

I shudder to think what it would be like without the phony housing crash. It could be far worse and many including me would have had to move on competely.
 
We often have this discussion. Yes it is newsworthy which is why there are other threads where it's being discussed. This thread isn't for those big news stories it never has been. It's for smaller things, like construction updates, rumors, menu changes, new merchandise , etc. stuff like that, that doesn't need its own thread.

It will die down as it always does...this is another false alarm
 
So when's Rivers of Light starting up?

How much are you gonna pay to see it?

This is where I fully disagree with you...the mentality needs an full reboot.

No such thing as "magic"...it's no more special than the gap overcharging you for ugly hoodies at this point.
 







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