Newbie question - rude guide

DisneyMama21

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Okay, so I just closed on a resale contract, 350 points at AKL and was so excited! My husband and I decided to go resale after going to the sales tour on our July Disney World vacation. We just couldn't pass up the savings and didn't intend to use points for a cruise or the Disney hotels anyway, so we thought it would be perfect. Well, our tour guide (who called this week to inform me he was still our guide even though we went with resale) tells me that basically I shouldn't have bought resale because DVC members who buy resale are not treated the same, and I should expect to be treated like a second class citizen. :mad: Please someone, tell me this isn't true! I just think he was being rude because of the missed commission, but still it has me worried! :sad1: My husband wanted to call him back and chew him out...but am I going to have to deal with this guy from now on?

Laura
 
Most DVC owners are owners via resale originally or bought extra contracts via resale. In addition, as DVC gets older the number of resale vs. direct owners will start to move distinctively towards the resale side of the ratio. If they start treating us as "second class citizens" you will see a real outcry against DVC. I just don't see Disney taking the chance the negative publicity would hit critical mass.

Lastly, give a call tomorrow to member services and ask for a new guide to be assigned to you. Remember the "guides" really are nothing more then salesman so once they sell you your points they really are out of the picture. If they show any interest in you it is only because they are hoping you will buy from them again in the future. I don't even know the last name of my guide..... You are unlikely to buy from him again so it does not really matter if you keep him or change him out but if it was me, i would be asking for a new guide. If only to let him know that the phone call was not appreciated and he lost any potential business from you in the future. Your choice. Lastly, good luck with the new points.
 
I never heard from my "guide" again, unless it was a mass mailing, i.e. trying to sell DVC and his name was stamped on the back of it!

We have never used our "guide" for guidance. Talk about a misnomer.:rotfl:
 
Okay, so I just closed on a resale contract, 350 points at AKL and was so excited! My husband and I decided to go resale after going to the sales tour on our July Disney World vacation. We just couldn't pass up the savings and didn't intend to use points for a cruise or the Disney hotels anyway, so we thought it would be perfect. Well, our tour guide (who called this week to inform me he was still our guide even though we went with resale) tells me that basically I shouldn't have bought resale because DVC members who buy resale are not treated the same, and I should expect to be treated like a second class citizen. :mad: Please someone, tell me this isn't true! I just think he was being rude because of the missed commission, but still it has me worried! :sad1: My husband wanted to call him back and chew him out...but am I going to have to deal with this guy from now on?

Laura

He's probably referring to the fact that you will not be able to use all the tradeout options, but you already knew that. Other than that, there's no difference.

I wouldn't worry about it. I've been a member 12 years and can count on one hand the number of times I've talked to a guide. That was only when they called me trying to sell an add-on.

Welcome Home!
 

Okay, so I just closed on a resale contract, 350 points at AKL and was so excited! My husband and I decided to go resale after going to the sales tour on our July Disney World vacation. We just couldn't pass up the savings and didn't intend to use points for a cruise or the Disney hotels anyway, so we thought it would be perfect. Well, our tour guide (who called this week to inform me he was still our guide even though we went with resale) tells me that basically I shouldn't have bought resale because DVC members who buy resale are not treated the same, and I should expect to be treated like a second class citizen. :mad: Please someone, tell me this isn't true! I just think he was being rude because of the missed commission, but still it has me worried! :sad1: My husband wanted to call him back and chew him out...but am I going to have to deal with this guy from now on?

Laura

I'd let your husband call and chew him out. That's messed up.
 
our tour guide... tells me that basically I shouldn't have bought resale because DVC members who buy resale are not treated the same, and I should expect to be treated like a second class citizen. Laura

Not true. They are actually very democratic about how they treat members. They mistreat all of us equally.
 
My husband and I were toying with the idea of DVC and our guide has been wonderful about answering our questions. One of our questions was "why buy direct when we can get a better deal resale"? After telling us about losing some perks like not being able to use resale points for Disney cruises he then said something similar about resale buyers being treated like second class citizens when calling about questions or dealing with problems that come up. HU? Really?

Like I said...our guide is very nice but the fact that he was telling us we would be treated poorly by Disney as a company if we went resale was crazy. Not sure if he just wanted to make sure he got any commissions from a sale or if he was trying to give us a heads up but in the end we decided not to take any chances and just not buy into DVC at all. :thumbsup2
 
Not even worth calling to request a Guide change, IMO. The Guide only comes into play when you purchase points directly. He/She does not help with reservations, trip planning, quality issues, etc.

Sounds like you have no intention of buying more points direct so I wouldn't bother. Guy may not even be there in a year or two.

If you feel some obligation to discuss the interaction with a supervisor, you could always do that. FWIW, I do think there is some factual basis to the "second class citizen" due to the booking restrictions. But not having participated in the phone call, it's tough to comment on how rudely that aspect was communicated.

Good luck.
 
Okay, so I just closed on a resale contract, 350 points at AKL and was so excited! My husband and I decided to go resale after going to the sales tour on our July Disney World vacation. We just couldn't pass up the savings and didn't intend to use points for a cruise or the Disney hotels anyway, so we thought it would be perfect. Well, our tour guide (who called this week to inform me he was still our guide even though we went with resale) tells me that basically I shouldn't have bought resale because DVC members who buy resale are not treated the same, and I should expect to be treated like a second class citizen. :mad: Please someone, tell me this isn't true! I just think he was being rude because of the missed commission, but still it has me worried! :sad1: My husband wanted to call him back and chew him out...but am I going to have to deal with this guy from now on?

Laura

The truth of the matter is that your Guide expressed his true feelings, something that most Guides will not do. They are sales people and if you aren't buying from them, you are affecting their job and taking money from his wallet. That's the life of a sales person, nothing to feel bad about.

To me there is nothing that upsets me more than a buyer who says that they are willing to spend more on their new contract buying direct because the Guide is so nice and he is their friend. :scared1:

:earsboy: Bill
 
with all due respect, there are 2 sides. the guides are trying to make
a living. i have read some negative responses where they have
been confronted by those jumping from direct to resales. the guides
have families.

used cars vs. new.

however, i don't see this debate as second vs first class. instead,
i have used this area to figure out how to meet our family needs &
getting the promises made by our guide. this was one of the reason
we purchased direct over resales.

i seen some really bad outcomes in the public market regarding health
care. some areas should not be measured by the bottom line.( especially
health care.) when our local hospital got rid of their experienced nurses
& replaced with new grads...guess what happened to quality of care?
(more than once- taking off the wrong body parts, & so forth.

i was on this site prior to becoming dvc owner. many gave negative
feedback when i posted this angle. however, we have had many
successful dvc vacations by using this.

any tier system , i would hope would used these differences to
balance out the money values between direct & resales. imo , there
is no way to effective boast of the great savings & complaining
about those having benefits for direct. their guides need to
have direct perks to make a living. and there are many "options"
for evening the playing field.

one of my strongest feedback is the area of "perks". i could care less
about tiny discounts, & the sorts. instead it is about gaining
direct approval for using the dvc rooms--the very thing we paid
for & were "promised " when we first met with our guide. so far,
we have been very lucky and our jitters have went away.

still no system prefect. my "new hope" for new leadership, is for recognizing
problems & taking actions toward corrective measures. and keep moving
forward.

imo, all blt owners have a disadvantage in comparing to ssr
owners. if you don't booked by 7 mos. , most likely you will not get
your home resort. or if you have to make last minute changes.
since ssr has so many more rooms & the majority trying to move
to another dvc, it is easier to plan more within 7 mos.. or
last minute changes. and using blt points for ssr is not the same
value like ssr to blt so the reflux is going one way against blt
owners.

the things i learned here has been invaluable toward supporting our
desires. i still don't get references about first/second class because
when we "do" our disney vacations, i see dvc as a tool for
implementation. unless dvc required a badge proclaiming one
group over the other than i can't see getting upset. but if we had
purchased resales instead of direct, i don't think we would have
the same argument with our home resort. for example, it
wouldn't bother me when ssr owners have the best choices when
they are staying @ their home resort.[ if we ever wanted to stay
there.]

to me, i think dvc are obligated to make these changes in order
to support their guides. they can only take "talk" so far. i don't think
the guide was trying to insult you but trying to make a sale point &
one that his family needs to live on. i know when i buy an used car,
i don't expect getting the new car smell. based on that observation,
i think the guides are hoping for a little "boost."

i don't know about your situation but did this guide spent time &
effort toward you? if so, i don't think it is hard to see his loss.


it just liked the used year thing. we go to disney all the time. however,
we picked the 4mos. that we were less likely wanted to go.

still,
i wouldn't let no one influence me on how we feel about our dvc unless
the person was offering something positive. it just liked our disney
vacations-some are better than others but all have special moments.

good luck in reaching your primary goal. :wizard:
 
I wouldn't worry about it. When we bought resale we actually called in to get assigned a guide since we wanted to chat with someone about Aulani when DVC was doing presentations at DLR. We were assigned someone who wasn't very nice.

A few months later, when we thought we were interested in buying a small BWV contract direct, we simply called up the same office (at DLR) and spoke to a guide who was more willing to be patient with us, and even emailed us pricing and a brochure. Our original guide never bothered to do that. He was fully aware that we already had a guide, but he was obviously willing to be "nice" to us to make a sale. Instead of calling to harass us, he'd check in via email. Thought that was less heavy handed than most stories I've heard here.

So I guess if you're ever interested in buying direct, just call any DVC office and ask to speak to a guide letting them know you're interested. You can skip your original guide altogether.
 
I have bought direct and resale and found going direct a bit more frustrating only due to my own expectations! I thought by buying direct, well I was told by my guide, that I could call him directly if I needed assistance or had any questions. Well getting a hold of him was a nightmare/ very long process. It was not until I left a message I was considering adding on that I got a prompt call back. The small add on we did shortly after buying in was a long process because the paper work was not done correctly and I could not get a hold of my guide to get it corrected. I had to call MS accounting and request a new guide because the issue was not being addressed or resolved. MS put me on hold next thing I know my guide picked up the phone (imagine that):confused:
My guide is no longer with DVC:laughing:

When buying resale I got a wealth of information from the Timeshare store and had great communication. I have yet to be treated differently whether I am using the BLT direct points or the SSR resale!
 
Not true. They are actually very democratic about how they treat members. They mistreat all of us equally.

:rotfl:
Still..I'd call and ask for a new guide. There is no need to be talked to that way by what, essentially, is a salesman. Disney loves to give them names that sound like they are your support system or something, and my guide is polite and not pushy, but I only hear from him through mass mailings with offers to buy, which is as it should be, since all a guide really is doing is guiding you toward buying more points.
 
Unless you plan to buy directly from Disney (like you want first dibs on a new resort), you don't even need a guide. A guide is a salesperson. We bought from our guide four times. Haven't bought any points since about 2001 or 2002. DVC changed our guide on us about three years ago. We've never talked to him because we don't plan on ever buying any more points.
 
I wouldn't worry about it. When we bought resale we actually called in to get assigned a guide since we wanted to chat with someone about Aulani when DVC was doing presentations at DLR. We were assigned someone who wasn't very nice.

A few months later, when we thought we were interested in buying a small BWV contract direct, we simply called up the same office (at DLR) and spoke to a guide who was more willing to be patient with us, and even emailed us pricing and a brochure. Our original guide never bothered to do that. He was fully aware that we already had a guide, but he was obviously willing to be "nice" to us to make a sale. Instead of calling to harass us, he'd check in via email. Thought that was less heavy handed than most stories I've heard here.

So I guess if you're ever interested in buying direct, just call any DVC office and ask to speak to a guide letting them know you're interested. You can skip your original guide altogether.


Your original Guide is still your Guide. The Guide that you bought from had to split his commission with your original Guide. If you like the second Guide I would call and request that a manager switch you to the second Guide officially so you can deal with him in the future.

:earsboy: Bill
 
:rotfl:
Still..I'd call and ask for a new guide.
What would be the point, it's a done deal, they've bought resale! In 10 years since buying resale, I've gotten calls from my "guide" 2 times and each time from a new guide, because they come and they go!

Sometimes you just have to let things go, it's not worth your husband's blood pressure going up, what would you gain in doing so?

You have the points you want, you're a DVC owner now (Congrats, by the way), and you're not a second class citizen!

Now's the time to get booking vacations! So get to getting! :woohoo::yay::woohoo:
 
thanks for all the responses! I guess I was misled by the term 'guide'. I didn't' know he was just my sales person. I understand he was disappointed with the missed commission (and I don't blame him) but the rudeness was uncalled for. I'm glad to hear that I really won't be needing contact with him in the future.
 
thanks for all the responses! I guess I was misled by the term 'guide'. I didn't' know he was just my sales person. I understand he was disappointed with the missed commission (and I don't blame him) but the rudeness was uncalled for. I'm glad to hear that I really won't be needing contact with him in the future.

Since you are buying resale, let this website be your "guide" from now on. You will certainly get more honest answers and opinions.
 



















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