New - When will DCL Sailings resume - Poll

[insureman]

With today's announcement it looks like March 31, 2021 might be the date.

What announcement was that?

 

[Snowwhyt]

Yes because there will never be a world that has zero deadly infectious diseases or zero risks. Most people understand there is good and bad in life. There is risk in life. We swim in the ocean knowing the ocean contains sharks which are deadly to people. We do not let the bad in life define us. People that are high risk for Covid will be high risk for many other things as well. We have a local nursing home that was highlighted on our news regarding their "high Covid death rate" for May. Then someone took a look and they only had 1 more death in May 2020 than they had in May 2019. So the at risk people were dying there at the same rate even when there was no Covid but the media ran with the story anyway. At risk people will always be at risk whether Covid exists or not. We cannot pause the world while we await a vaccine that may or may not exist some day.

Life can absolutely be a numbers game. And I understand that there are people out there that are risk takers and then enjoy that, like adrenaline junkies.
At the same time I know people who will not drive on the highway and also people who are afraid to leave the town that they grew up in so they still have never left town! (for those people I offered to drive and ask if they mind that I go on the expressway. ) My grandmother wintered in Florida and never went in the ocean above her knee caps. 10 years and Not once in over the knees. The antithesis of an adrenaline junkie.
You can’t make a democrat or republican and you can’t make a republican or democrat. Both sides are good to have(current politics aside) But having said that, I just want you to know I have absolutely no ill will toward your feelings on a “let’s get the ball rolling, let the chips fall where they may” attitude. You are part of what makes the balance in life.
But if I were to ask one favor of you, please except those of us who hold our chips tightly in our hand, and dole them out in very controlled situations. People have choices, we shouldn’t try and make everyone an adrenaline junkie, or conversely, a shut in.

I really do like your spirit, honestly I do. And in my young 20s I think we would’ve been great friends before I broke my hip in five places in my late 20’s.

What I really would like to know from you is, as an adrenaline personality, what do you think you could feel comfortable with to meet the timid people half way. Things that you feel are not necessary, but do help to a degree, that could help find a middle ground for everyone. Maybe the elderly or at risk people would like consider a lower risk atmosphere rather than “if I die, I die” option. After all, even a skydiver wears a backup parachute to reduce risk.
I’m happy to let you be you, but what can you be comfortable With, and still make an us?
I need you to know again, I like you.

 

[AquaDame]

Yes because there will never be a world that has zero deadly infectious diseases or zero risks. Most people understand there is good and bad in life. There is risk in life. We swim in the ocean knowing the ocean contains sharks which are deadly to people. We do not let the bad in life define us. People that are high risk for Covid will be high risk for many other things as well. We have a local nursing home that was highlighted on our news regarding their "high Covid death rate" for May. Then someone took a look and they only had 1 more death in May 2020 than they had in May 2019. So the at risk people were dying there at the same rate even when there was no Covid but the media ran with the story anyway. At risk people will always be at risk whether Covid exists or not. We cannot pause the world while we await a vaccine that may or may not exist some day.

Look, I agree with your sentiment generally but NOT in this case. As many many people have said before me to this argument, when you swim in the ocean you're only endangering yourself. And you can see the shark coming. And once the shark bites you, you don't go back to shore and start biting people like some kind of shark zombie.

Maybe those old folk would have died anyway of something else in May. Maybe not. Everyone dies, I get that. But we all try to put it off as long as possible and, hopefully, not take anyone with us when we step out the door.

We can, we should, and, apparently, we will, pause some aspects of life to try and save our vulnerable population, which, by the way, is NOT the only lives lost in this. I'm not going to try and put a number on what is acceptable when we're talking about lives here; I find it is in bad taste to do so. Based on that and recent announcements, I personally am now guessing 2nd quarter 2021. I feel early 2021 is a little too optimistic.

 

[T & R]

What I really would like to know from you is, as an adrenaline personality, what do you think you could feel comfortable with to meet the timid people half way. Things that you feel are not necessary, but do help to a degree, that could help find a middle ground for everyone.

Thank you for the post/question and I agree, we all bring something to the table. I am definitely not an adrenaline person but there are those of us who have jobs that do not fit into these neat formulas for Covid prevention that look good on paper, so I personally do not believe containment will work in this country. When all these measures were put into place, even the people creating and implementing them stated it was to only slow the spread so that hospitals were not overwhelmed all at once. At no time were these measures supposed to outright prevent Covid, it was only supposed to slow Covid "flatten the curve". So with the spread slowed down instead of everyone getting it in the first wave, I think there will be positive cases for years even if there is a vaccine because let's face it, how's that flu vaccine working out? Also, I have yet to see a vaccine that everyone on the planet agreed to take and also agreed to take it all at the same time. I accept that there are those who "hold their chips close" and that people have choices. So I guess the great compromise or middle ground would be to allow cruising so that those who choose to work on a cruise or purchase a cabin on a cruise can do so and those who choose not to can choose not to. I definitely accept those who choose to be more cautious which is why I would never say lets force everyone to get on a cruise ship. If anything right now it's the opposite you have one point of view forcing their vision of what is best on those who do not share that view, which is why we have no cruising right now. If cruising were to resume, I do not think there would be a prohibition on cautious people wearing a mask or other protective measures, so that could also be a middle ground to help others make a decision if they want to cruise or not. My biggest fear is the talk of no cruising until a vaccine. I really do not want that catching on. That could potentially mean no cruising again ever. The posting has already slowed some on this board, imagine if no cruising what this board would look like? How much traffic is the Dodo bird forum getting or the flat earth forum?

On another note, the most adrenaline thing I do is getting to and from the cruise and fear that much more than Covid. A few years ago I started watching this show air disasters on the Smithsonian channel. Every episode looks into a specific commercial air accident and you find out at the end it was some 30 cent part that went bad. I know I shouldn't watch this show but you start the first 5 minutes and then you go to watch the rest to find out what caused the problem. The only problem now is I am deathly afraid of flying but we are so far from Port Canaveral, we have to fly. So I need to stop watching this show. It's like watching Jaws and then going to the beach. Not a good idea. So to bring it back to topic I would hope sailing resumes prior to a vaccine being required.

 

[T & R]

I can't wait to revisit this post at the end of the year. I wonder how wrong I will be. It makes me sad to read about all the ruined vacations.

I was wondering that too. I was even looking at the last poll where some thought we'd be back by June 2019. I wonder if we'll be doing that again looking at this poll? Hope not.

 

[DCLDVC1]

What announcement was that?

https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/special-offers/cruise-date-flexibility/

 

[gotomu212]

Look, I agree with your sentiment generally but NOT in this case. As many many people have said before me to this argument, when you swim in the ocean you're only endangering yourself. And you can see the shark coming. And once the shark bites you, you don't go back to shore and start biting people like some kind of shark zombie.

Maybe those old folk would have died anyway of something else in May. Maybe not. Everyone dies, I get that. But we all try to put it off as long as possible and, hopefully, not take anyone with us when we step out the door.

We can, we should, and, apparently, we will, pause some aspects of life to try and save our vulnerable population, which, by the way, is NOT the only lives lost in this. I'm not going to try and put a number on what is acceptable when we're talking about lives here; I find it is in bad taste to do so. Based on that and recent announcements, I personally am now guessing 2nd quarter 2021. I feel early 2021 is a little too optimistic.

Just to add to your reasoning- sharks killed 5 people last year so the actual risk is so low it shouldn’t change behavior. However if I was at the beach with 500 other people and they said hey someone on this beach will be killed by a shark today I definitely wouldn’t be swimming out- even if they said you‘re young and can probably out swim these more at risk people.

I agree with everyone that we take risks every day with every activity, but with 124,000 dead in 3.5 months (which is almost 5% of the TOTAL number of people that die in the US in a typical year) the CoVid risk is so much higher than any other ”normal” daily personal risk except maybe smoking. Instead of comparing it to sharks or car accidents- activities with actual low risk of death, I wish people would compare it to walking on a highway or drug use because those seem like more similar risk levels (and are also things that the majority of people would say yeah that’s a risk that clearly doesn’t outweigh the activity).

 

[T & R]

Just to add to your reasoning- sharks killed 5 people last year so the actual risk is so low

Just to be clear I was not comparing Covid to shark attacks. Just saying you have to accept there is bad in life and my original point (that maybe I didn't communicate well) was that I would not let the bad in life or let fear of something define me. I would not let fear of flying keep me off of a plane, I would not let fear of sharks keep me from the ocean and I would not let fear of getting Covid keep me off of a Disney Cruise. Whether sharks kills 5 people a year or 500,000 people a year makes no difference to someone who has a phobia of being eaten by a shark. The fear thing has really taken over people, like the example I mentioned on a prior post where people wear masks but not a seat belt. Makes no sense.

 

[Ccll4]

Look, I agree with your sentiment generally but NOT in this case. As many many people have said before me to this argument, when you swim in the ocean you're only endangering yourself. And you can see the shark coming. And once the shark bites you, you don't go back to shore and start biting people like some kind of shark zombie.

Hahahaha you had me laughing! Made my day, LOL. Love this analogy.

 

[yowcruiser]

This post provides for some interesting reading. Generally, I am in agreement that DCL will not be the 1st line to resume cruising for the reasons previously mentioned. I also agree that the development of measures to better manage COVID cases will be key. It could be a vaccine, it could be a set of medication that properly manages the symptoms, it could be a reliable testing system pre-cruising... who knows. My take on the March 31st date is that DCL is likely to resume before then, but that the experience may be modified so much that potential cruisers choose not to sail and DCL is providing that option. I could potentially see that being extended by a week or so given that Easter is April 4th and those would be high occupancy cruises.

 

[Clojel]

This post provides for some interesting reading. Generally, I am in agreement that DCL will not be the 1st line to resume cruising for the reasons previously mentioned. I also agree that the development of measures to better manage COVID cases will be key. It could be a vaccine, it could be a set of medication that properly manages the symptoms, it could be a reliable testing system pre-cruising... who knows. My take on the March 31st date is that DCL is likely to resume before then, but that the experience may be modified so much that potential cruisers choose not to sail and DCL is providing that option. I could potentially see that being extended by a week or so given that Easter is April 4th and those would be high occupancy cruises.

I agree...I think DCL will cruise before March 31st but with a modified experience and DCL would rather give people the "flexibility" to move their cruise then have to field thousands of calls re: refunds. I'm on a November cruise and I REALLY hope that we sail but I think a more realistic goal is the 1st quarter 2021.

 

[SnowWhite2]

I read where Holland America has cancelled all cruises in 2020. I fully expect that to be the case for most lines. I read DCL's new policy as a replacement for the 125% rebooking credit even though it doesn't say so. I could be wrong. I have a cruise booked for May 2021 and seriously question my ability/comfort level to take that cruise. Payment is due in early January which is when I'll need to make my decision.

 

[DCLDVC1]

I read where Holland America has cancelled all cruises in 2020. I fully expect that to be the case for most lines. I read DCL's new policy as a replacement for the 125% rebooking credit even though it doesn't say so. I could be wrong. I have a cruise booked for May 2021 and seriously question my ability/comfort level to take that cruise. Payment is due in early January which is when I'll need to make my decision.

I fully expect DCL to cancel through end of 2020 at the minimum. Disney has shown they'll let other companies make the first move and they'll eventually follow.

 

[T & R]

I fully expect DCL to cancel through end of 2020 at the minimum. Disney has shown they'll let other companies make the first move and they'll eventually follow.

Really hope you're wrong but I'm starting to come around to reality. For the longest time I have been so hopeful that it wont be so and have been the wishfulest of the wishful thinking but DCL's policy changes and the moves their making lately have made me see the light. Also feel like we're going backwards with my state enacting more restrictions and starting to close stuff down again. At the current rate with a few thousand new positive cases a day in my state, this thing is going to take years to play out. The first time this happened back in 1918, it took 2+ years to get over the pandemic. Now that we slowing the spread with distancing and masks, it may take even longer to die out this time around.

 

[bcwife76]

Holland America has not cancelled all remaining 2020 cruises, only some of them (mostly cruises that leave from or to Canada or Hawaii).

 

[nancipants]

Also feel like we're going backwards with my state enacting more restrictions and starting to close stuff down again. At the current rate with a few thousand new positive cases a day in my state, this thing is going to take years to play out. The first time this happened back in 1918, it took 2+ years to get over the pandemic. Now that we slowing the spread with distancing and masks, it may take even longer to die out this time around.

I don’t understand this logic. Can you explain?

 

[wombat_5606]

Holland America has not cancelled all remaining 2020 cruises, only some of them (mostly cruises that leave from or to Canada or Hawaii).

This is their cancellations for 2020 and early 2021

With travel restrictions continuing for the near future due to global health concerns, Holland America Line has decided to extend its pause of global cruise operations and cancel all 2020 Alaska, Europe, Canada/New England cruises and departures from the port of Vancouver, British Columbia, as well as select Hawaii itineraries for early 2021.

 

[DCLDVC1]

Really hope you're wrong but I'm starting to come around to reality. For the longest time I have been so hopeful that it wont be so and have been the wishfulest of the wishful thinking but DCL's policy changes and the moves their making lately have made me see the light. Also feel like we're going backwards with my state enacting more restrictions and starting to close stuff down again. At the current rate with a few thousand new positive cases a day in my state, this thing is going to take years to play out. The first time this happened back in 1918, it took 2+ years to get over the pandemic. Now that we slowing the spread with distancing and masks, it may take even longer to die out this time around.

I also hope I'm wrong but once you take emotion out the equation and look realistically at all of the challenges facing the cruise lines, it seems inevitable that it's going to take a long time.

 

[KevinFL]

I was wondering that too. I was even looking at the last poll where some thought we'd be back by June 2019. I wonder if we'll be doing that again looking at this poll? Hope not.

Thought that too

 

[DietCokeMommy]

I think if FL can get back on track it'll be Q4 2020. A lot of local/county governments are enacting mask requirements and I'm hoping that slows the spread. If NY can get a handle on it even with their population density, FL can too if people stop being morons.