New Soarin etiquette please

[BK2014]

Poor example.

Not removing a screaming baby/child from a restaurant is just as rude.

Have the baby start crying halfway theough Small World...well, then te parentms options areore limited.

My point wasn't about how the parents should react to the screaming baby. Only that a baby, like some individuals with special needs, cannot control their actions, nor can they appreciate how their actions cause others to react.

But by extension of your response, would you expect the parents or guardians to remove an individual with special needs just because their behavior is annoying to you? Or maybe neither the baby or person with special needs should be brought in the first place due to the possibility of their behavior annoying your or others?

The reason people bring up the possibility of people having special needs is to allow the rest of us to be aware of the possibility that our assumptions may be incorrect. It is not to discount the OP's original point about otherwise rude people.

 

[maltdizzy]

My point wasn't about how the parents should react to the screaming baby. Only that a baby, like some individuals with special needs, cannot control their actions, nor can they appreciate how their actions cause others to react.

I understand and agree. But if we are discussing "intent", I think we can all agree that many rude adults have no clue how rude they are either (I dealt with this just today at the NYC Port Authority)

by extension of your response, would you expect the parents or guardians to remove an individual with special needs just because their behavior is annoying to you?

While sensitivity has become a understandably debatable issue these days, if an individual is disturbing several other patrons, then etiquette and politeness would dictate a parent/guardian remove or comfort them. I don't think you'll ever see contrary advice from any etiquette columnist. I do want to draw the distinction between actually disturbing orher guests and other guests being uncomfortable merely because someone may have special needs. Also, special needs is a huge umbella term, so I understand it is not fair to generalize or stereotype.

Or maybe neither the baby or person with special needs should be brought in the first place due to the possibility of their behavior annoying your or others?

If the parent/guardian is sure that the baby/child/person will not be able to dine wothout disturbing other people, I think that would be a fair expectation.

The reason people bring up the possibility of people having special needs is to allow the rest of us to be aware of the possibility that our assumptions may be incorrect. It is not to discount the OP's original point about otherwise rude people.

I inderstand that and take no stand on either side of the Soaring issue because I don't know the details.

This is mostly academic to me. Never has obvious behavior by or for special needs guests ever bothered me. Now...I have dealt with screaming teenage girls on Haunted Mansion though (it's common at DL and seems to be growing at WDW).

But it still stands that the example used is not solid. it is considered very rude and very poor etiquette to not remove a crying baby from a restaurant.

 

[BattyKoda]

Have the baby start crying halfway theough Small World...well, then te parentms options areore limited.

Honestly? I don't get how more adults don't start crying halfway through It's a Small World.

 

[ols386]

If I'm riding a roller coaster or something like that, I would not be surprised to hear people screaming and yelling, but a ride like Soarin, seems like it is more tame, and I wouldn't expect yelling and screaming.

 

[bethbuchall]

If it is OK to yell and scream on Soarin, then it is ok on every ride. Hope you don't want to see the Haunted Mansion without a lot of fake screaming, it is A-OK! It is also expect that someone scream during the Hall of Presidents, inside Spaceship Earth, and Journey into your Imagination. After all, a ride is a ride and everything is inside a theme park, right? Guess that makes it perfectly acceptable to yell and scream during my dinner at Le Ceiller too.

I've been in Hall of Presidents when people loudly boo certain presidents. It is annoying. It's also annoying when people are loudly reciting dialogue usually a half beat off the actual dialogue in rides. And the last time we rode Pirates, two women behind us were having a lengthy, loud conversation about getting a house ready to sell, buying tile, etc. A few comments about the ride or what they're seeing would have been fine, but this conversation definitely annoyed me. That said, I'm in my happy place, so I'm able to let it go.

 

[JerseyJanice]

If it is OK to yell and scream on Soarin, then it is ok on every ride. Hope you don't want to see the Haunted Mansion without a lot of fake screaming, it is A-OK! It is also expect that someone scream during the Hall of Presidents, inside Spaceship Earth, and Journey into your Imagination. After all, a ride is a ride and everything is inside a theme park, right? Guess that makes it perfectly acceptable to yell and scream during my dinner at Le Ceiller too.

I'd be yelling and screaming when I got the check at LeCellier too. LOL!

I know I'd super annoyed if someone ruined Soarin like that for me. Fastpasses are not easy to come by, and the stand-by line can take an hour. To have the experience spoiled by a few jerks could wreck your whole day.

If I had the bad luck to ride with people behaving that way, I'd shush them loudly
and give them a if-looks-could-kill face. Odds are good that they would stop behaving like ********* because I make a really good, mean psycho face. If that didn't work tho, I would complain to a manager and request a FP to be used whenever.

 

[Moback]

I don't understand why I shouldn't expect the same behavior in Soarin' as in a movie theater, including the oohs and aahs that would admittedly be more common on Soarin' but are appropriate for many movie scenes. In other words, it's inappropriate for any conversation that can be heard farther than immediately adjacent seats, and the sort of conversation heard at adjacent seats should be kept to a minimum.

Yes, I know Soarin' uses seats that rise up and move. So what?

They rise up and give the feeling of flying. Does your movie theatre do that? if no then yes its a ride not a movie, and I am entitled to respond however I do with a ride.

 

[mds88]

They rise up and give the feeling of flying. Does your movie theatre do that? if no then yes its a ride not a movie, and I am entitled to respond however I do with a ride.

And I am equally entitled to find your response rude.

 

[TheJuiciestOfJs]

I've never viewed Soarin' as a quiet ride/experience. Comparing it to dinner at a signature restaurant, Hall of Pres, or Carousel of Prog is invalid. It seems to me that it would just be preferable if everyone walking around disney were mute.

Yelling the locations, especially if it was their first time riding, is completely acceptable. Raising your legs is also completely acceptable as it adds to the simulation of flight.

People express joy in different ways. Just because others annoy you with it doesn't make it wrong or rude. I absolutely HATE it when people clap at the end of rides. The first time riding Escape from Gringotts the employees and riders started cheering and clapping. It takes me out of the immersive experience that the ride does such a good job of creating. But some people like it so I let it roll off and move on. You can't let other people's enjoyment ruin yours.

(I understand there is a fine line here because I also believe it's not up to the offender to determine if they were offensive or not).

 

[buzznina]

I do not think people should yell and scream on soarin, but I definitely do not have a problem if they are a bit load because they're excited with the ride.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

It's an IMAX show of scenery with moving seats and music. It's not like it's a movie and you have to listen for dialogue.

 

[Hikergirl]

I don't understand why I shouldn't expect the same behavior in Soarin' as in a movie theater, including the oohs and aahs that would admittedly be more common on Soarin' but are appropriate for many movie scenes. In other words, it's inappropriate for any conversation that can be heard farther than immediately adjacent seats, and the sort of conversation heard at adjacent seats should be kept to a minimum.

Yes, I know Soarin' uses seats that rise up and move. So what?

You can expect whatever you want. I don't expect people to be silent on Soarin like they would in a movie theater because its not a movie theater, its an attraction that uses a movie. And its not like you need to hear various actors to follow what is going on when on Soarin. You watch the screen, that is all.

 

[goofyernmost]

I disagree that people are making themselves miserable in a situation like the OP explained. I don't see it any different than telling someone that a child having a screaming fit in a restaurant is ok, and if it ruins your experience it is your problem. And if people get their joy out of ruining things for others, well, they are not what I would call nice people.

A restaurant is not a theme park that is designed to have fun in. If you decide to make a theme park a solemn place, where nothing above a whisper is allowed and everyone should mumble quietly to themselves then that is on you. There is a time and a place for everything and a theme park is a place to have fun in, not be all serious and inflexible.

 

[siskaren]

It's an IMAX show of scenery with moving seats and music. It's not like it's a movie and you have to listen for dialogue.

Well, some of us actually want to listen to the music.

 

[BabiesDaddy]

Why can't there be a discussion about how rude some people behave without somebody interjecting how their "special needs" child does the same thing and how we all have to deal with it? Rude is rude, and even if it's something that cannot be helped, it still adversely affects the experience of the people around them. Sorry your kids has issues, but if I just waited an hour to ride and I hear your kid screaming during the entire ride, it still sucks.

The hardships that parent and child endure everyday, pales in comparison to a ruined ride. Just sayin...

 

[SaintsManiac]

No yelling, no screaming, no chanting, no cheering, no singing... am I missing anything?

 

[BabiesDaddy]

No profanity.

 

[xipotec]

Meh, Fact is Americans are way too loud......all the time.

 

[Dismomalita]

You can expect whatever you want. I don't expect people to be silent on Soarin like they would in a movie theater because its not a movie theater, its an attraction that uses a movie. And its not like you need to hear various actors to follow what is going on when on Soarin. You watch the screen, that is all.

I never said silent or solemn. Is there not some happy medium? We didn't get bent out of shape. We even laughed and said how funny it would have been to say Eiffel Tower when the Taj Mahal came up etc. ( we would never but you get the point. I think most agree that would be rude even if I thought it was funny) it's just like parade viewing and rude behavior there. You aren't alone here and how much nicer would it be if we were all just a little considerate of others. You can still have fun without making everyone around you miserable. Btw have encountered very few rude people this trip. Much less than previously

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

On Soarin' I wouldn't mind the oohs and ahhs and the occasional scream from a person not expecting to be lifted up off the ground or in a particuar scene that can mess with a person because of being in the air (though I have not seen the new version yet). Personally though telling me exactly what I'm seeing in front of me at every new scene is like people who have already seen a movie before and like to tell me "oh oh wait for this part". I do find it annoying and disruptive.

I do not in any way expect people to keep quiet on any ride/attraction in a theme park unless you are instructed to do so. I do however expect people to keep consideration in mind. I can talk to the person I'm with and yet ensure I'm not affecting the experience of others around me. I know that an excited scream on a roller coaster is more appropriate than screaming at every new scene in Soarin'. I can tell the person next to me: "omg is that the Taj Mahal??" without making it so all those around me have to hear me too (would it bother me if that happened once where it was a bit too loud? no; but it would if it happened often by the same people during the ride).