New here and trying to understand some things about resale better.

You've gotten a lot of great feedback already, but I will also add the YouTube videos are merely just videos of the podcasts (at least that I've seen), so you don't need to sit and watch them, but just listen. I spent months and months listening to the DVC fan podcasts and reading these boards before having a firm grasp of DVC. Ultimately I'm sure a lot of this language sounds like gibberish to you right now, but once you are able to learn more about how it actually works, once you come back to this thread things will make a lot more sense.

The best advice I can give you that I didn't see here is that once you have a membership you have all of your points available, but you can only use them up to 7- or 11-months in advance from whatever today's date is, depending on the resort, and your points will pull from whatever that Use Year timeframe falls in. For example, if you want to book VGF for May 2024 and you own at VGF with an August Use Year, you need to wait until June 2023 to make your reservations and it will be using your 2023 Use Year points. If you want to book BWV for May 2024 but you own at VGF, you need to wait until October 2023 to make that reservation and it will still be using your 2023 Use Year points. This is always the hardest for potential and new DVC members to understand, but is also the key to using the membership.
One thing I noticed new people get hung up on is thinking they can't book if they don't have the points yet. It only matters if those points will be in your account at time of check in. For somebody visual like me, I made a spreadsheet which helps alot. I also have two use years and two home resorts so extra important in keeping track.
 
You've gotten a lot of great feedback already, but I will also add the YouTube videos are merely just videos of the podcasts (at least that I've seen), so you don't need to sit and watch them, but just listen. I spent months and months listening to the DVC fan podcasts and reading these boards before having a firm grasp of DVC. Ultimately I'm sure a lot of this language sounds like gibberish to you right now, but once you are able to learn more about how it actually works, once you come back to this thread things will make a lot more sense.

The best advice I can give you that I didn't see here is that once you have a membership you have all of your points available, but you can only use them up to 7- or 11-months in advance from whatever today's date is, depending on the resort, and your points will pull from whatever that Use Year timeframe falls in. For example, if you want to book VGF for May 2024 and you own at VGF with an August Use Year, you need to wait until June 2023 to make your reservations and it will be using your 2023 Use Year points. If you want to book BWV for May 2024 but you own at VGF, you need to wait until October 2023 to make that reservation and it will still be using your 2023 Use Year points. This is always the hardest for potential and new DVC members to understand, but is also the key to using the membership.
I am trying to grasp that and it's just not making sense. If I want May and it's Aug UY why June? I dont have to wait until Aug? If I see this in action, like on the site via any of my close friends that own will that become clearer?
 
I am trying to grasp that and it's just not making sense. If I want May and it's Aug UY why June? I dont have to wait until Aug? If I see this in action, like on the site via any of my close friends that own will that become clearer?
You can book as early as June 2023 for a May 2024 reservation. You do not need to wait until your August Use Year (per my example), because your points already exist in your membership. If I log in, I can see that I have full points for my upcoming 2023 UY, 2024 UY, and 2025 UY (this is as far as the system lets me see). The PP described it as needing points available at check-in, so, simply, you do not need to wait for your UY for them to become available to you to book because the points already exist and you just need to wait for your booking window to open.

For instance, I have an August UY. I am currently in my 2022 UY, which ends July 31 2023. I can go in right now and book December 10-15, 2023 at my home resort of AKV and the system will pull from my 2023 UY, which starts Aug 1 2023 and end July 31 2024. I do not need to wait until August 1 2023 to book December 2023 because my points already exist and will be available for my reservation at check-in.

I do not think this will be clearer seeing it in action. It's a strange concept that isn't necessarily cleared up with a visual explanation of the booking process, because a member can book up to 11 months out. I think I learned about use years and banking deadlines by looking at yearly calendar spreads, which helps most with the 7- and 11-month windows.
 
I am trying to grasp that and it's just not making sense. If I want May and it's Aug UY why June? I dont have to wait until Aug? If I see this in action, like on the site via any of my close friends that own will that become clearer?
Use year is when your points will become available.

For this example I’m not going to consider banking/borrowing. If you have 100 points with a June use year, it means that every year, the 1st of June you will have 100 points available. So in June 2023 you will get 100 points that you can use until the last day of May 2024.

But you don’t have to wait until June to make plans with those 100 points. You know they’re coming. The system also knows it. So if you want to make a trip staring August 1st 2023, you can log into the system on September 1st of the previous year (for this example, 2022) and book your stay using those 100 points. It’ll use those points even if technically they’re not available to you yet.

You want an UY that happens before you normally travel, because this will give you time to use the points or bank them.

Let’s say that in June you find out you need to cancel your trip. You can do it and won’t have to worry about those points because you still have until May 2024 to use them, or until January 2024 to bank them.
 

Use year is easier if you think about it as use month. That is the month points become available and are good for the next 12 months unless you choose to bank them.
 
You can book as early as June 2023 for a May 2024 reservation. You do not need to wait until your August Use Year (per my example), because your points already exist in your membership. If I log in, I can see that I have full points for my upcoming 2023 UY, 2024 UY, and 2025 UY (this is as far as the system lets me see). The PP described it as needing points available at check-in, so, simply, you do not need to wait for your UY for them to become available to you to book because the points already exist and you just need to wait for your booking window to open.

For instance, I have an August UY. I am currently in my 2022 UY, which ends July 31 2023. I can go in right now and book December 10-15, 2023 at my home resort of AKV and the system will pull from my 2023 UY, which starts Aug 1 2023 and end July 31 2024. I do not need to wait until August 1 2023 to book December 2023 because my points already exist and will be available for my reservation at check-in.

I do not think this will be clearer seeing it in action. It's a strange concept that isn't necessarily cleared up with a visual explanation of the booking process, because a member can book up to 11 months out. I think I learned about use years and banking deadlines by looking at yearly calendar spreads, which helps most with the 7- and 11-month windows.
ok darn I was hoping it would be easier to see....but it sounds like for me if i plan to travel Aug or Nov / Dec a JUNE UY is my best bet. That is what I am gathering from others, but I still don't understand it fully - I am trying! :)
 
ok darn I was hoping it would be easier to see....but it sounds like for me if i plan to travel Aug or Nov / Dec a JUNE UY is my best bet. That is what I am gathering from others, but I still don't understand it fully - I am trying! :)
The 4 months prior to your use year are the months where if you planned a trip and cancelled, you would not be able to bank your points to the following year. Summer and fall are in the “safe zone” for a June use year. But again, it only comes into play when you need to cancel.
 
I would go for the least expensive contract (factoring dues)— unless you are truly wedded to one resort. We have found even the points we bought for specific resorts end up getting used all over. I wouldn’t do aulani though— just me, but the laws are different there, etc.
 
ok darn I was hoping it would be easier to see....but it sounds like for me if i plan to travel Aug or Nov / Dec a JUNE UY is my best bet. That is what I am gathering from others, but I still don't understand it fully - I am trying! :)
August UY good too in this case
 
So you can book UP to 7 at once and then add?
No. You can book as much as you want all at once. THe 7 day thing come as into play if you are booking at **exactly** the 11 month booking window or **exactly** the 7 month window because you are try8ing to get a hard to get reservation. In that case you can book something that is exactly 11 or exactly 7 months away plus an additional 6 days.
 
Use year has no impact on when you can book your vacation. You can book whenever you want up to 11 months before the start of your stay at your home resort & 7 months before the start of your stay at other DVC resorts. What use year does impact is which annual allotment of points you will be using to ‘pay’ for your vacation.
AKV which ends in 2057, has 32 years worth of annual allotments of points remaining. So if you buy a 200 point AKV contract you will ‘own’ 200 points X 32 years = 6,400 points. But, you can’t use all those points at once. Use year is just one term we can use to identify which bunch of points we use to ‘pay’ for a specific vacation. You can use up to 3 years worth of points on one vacation via banking & borrowing.
Ex. - Owner A has a June use year 200 point AKV contract, Owner B has a Sept. use year 200 point AKV contract, both want to splurge & book a week long stay costing 600 points starting August 1, 2023. Both Owners A & B can go online on Sept. 1, 2022 & book that August 1st stay at AKV, but which sets of points they’ll use to ‘pay’ for that vacation will be different.
Owner A has a June use year which runs from 6/1 - 5/31, therefore an August 2023 vacation falls between 6/1/23 - 5/31/24 so it’s in his 2023 use year thus he’ll use 200 ‘current’ 2023 points + 200 banked 2022 points + 200 borrowed 2024 points for a total of 600 points.
Owner B has a Sept. use year which runs from 9/1 - 8/31, therefore an August 2023 vacation falls between 9/1/22 - 8/31/23 so it’s in her 2022 use year thus she can use 200 ‘current’ 2022 points + 200 banked 2021 points + 200 borrowed 2023 points for a total of 600 points.
 
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This whole use year discussion is chapter 3 and the OP hasn't read chapter 1 yet. It's just going to be confusing. Understanding use year is the third or fourth step:

1. Understand buying DVC points, direct versus resale, and how you use points to make a reservation.
2. Determine, based on your own travel preferences and the Disney attendance calendars, what time of year works best for you.
3. Determine what resorts you really like and see how their availability compares to your preferred travel schedule. Keep expiration year in mind.
4. THEN, determine which use year is best to make travel during that time, to those resorts, most accessible for you.
 
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The 4 months prior to your use year are the months where if you planned a trip and cancelled, you would not be able to bank your points to the following year. Summer and fall are in the “safe zone” for a June use year. But again, it only comes into play when you need to cancel.
thanks- great explanation!
 
One thing I noticed new people get hung up on is thinking they can't book if they don't have the points yet. It only matters if those points will be in your account at time of check in. For somebody visual like me, I made a spreadsheet which helps alot. I also have two use years and two home resorts so extra important in keeping track.
I would love to do that to keep myself organized- once I buy.
 
Use year is easier if you think about it as use month. That is the month points become available and are good for the next 12 months unless you choose to bank them.
I used the term “drop” about when points become available because someone else said that in a FB group to me lol
 
Okay, you have gotten a lot of good advice about watching YouTube videos. I think you're really getting hung up on use years and borrowing. Not that it isn't important, but like an earlier poster said, you're asking calculus questions when you're in algebra right now. Not trying to demean you in any way, but you're confusing yourself on something that, IMO, needs to be looked into later, because . . .

You need to explore all the one-bedrooms and resort amenities by watching videos to see how much space you need, storage offered for your twins' crapola, bathroom setup as you have three girls needing mirrors and showers, etc., and anything else that is peculiar to your family setup.

Do you plan to cook to save money? Do your kids like to make snacks or their own breakfast? Some kitchens are better than others in terms of layout and functionality and having drop zones for shoes, backpacks, ears, cups, etc.

We LOVE one-bedrooms (and larger,) and will not do studios again. If your husband is hesitant to do Disney, having a bedroom for privacy and sleeping in as you quickly approach the teenage years is a really big help for turning him into a convert. I say this from personal experience;-)

One-bedrooms are the easiest category to book in any resort, which helps grabbing those hard-to-find rooms at resorts peak times (hello, Christmas, April vacation, and Thanksgiving) BUT, if you aren't booking your home resort at 11 months, you almost certainly will have to book a one-bedroom at the most expensive view option at the 7-month window. Those can eat up your points really quick, especially if you're thinking of a small contract for banking and borrowing.

Staying DVC changes your park habits. Whereas before you may have been park warriors out from dawn to dusk, now you'll find you like to do more resort-only stays or pool days. This is where home resort advantage and preferences really comes into play.

We have done the last week in August twice now, and while I am fine with it, it IS brutal with the heat. There's no way we can handle more than 3-4 hours at a clip in that heat, so that means we're poolside and trekking back and forth from the resort to the parks and back again. It's too freaking hot to be dealing with transportation all the time or walking far to get food or ice cream, so that means (for us,) we want amenities on site -- preferably all with AC. While Riviera's pools aren't exciting, the on-site bar, Primo Piatto, gelato cart poolside, and Topolinos for drinks and dinner at night -- all in AC -- make it far and away our favorite. If you're planning on buying and holding, don't rule it out because of resale restrictions. We plan to pass our Riviera points to our kids (Irish twins, b/g age 9 and 10.)

Now, Riviera is tough in late summer for Skyliner going down due to weather, which is true. We only had it go down once in rain on our trips, but it is a factor to consider. However, during the hurricanes recently when people were in lockdown, Riviera and Copper Creek and Jambo got rave reviews for having really good dining and entertainment for the kids during that time. So, YMMV. I'd rather be trapped at one of those three during a hurricane and eat well and not be stuck in my room the whole time.

I wouldn't rule out BW. It's getting a refurb this fall and tons of new dining, coffee shop, bakery, deli, and it's walking distance to two parks. We toured it this past December and fell in love with their actual boardwalk vibe and lovely walks around the lake at night, grabbed a drink at Abracadabar, shopped, and just took it easy. A smaller resale there could be awesome to dip your toes in. And, as a bonus, we really liked their pool with the roller coaster theme! We loved it way more than BC/SAB, but it's good to try for yourself. BW pool never gets love because it used to have Pennywise as the exit to the slide, but now that it's rethemed, it's lovely there.

BC has SAB, which we were glad to try, but find somewhat overrated. But, again, you need to look at it and see what you think. Also, our kids are on the swim team and older, but that pool would give me a heart attack with kids who aren't strong swimmers and/or littles. Wayyyyy too chaotic, easy to lose sight of your kids, deep water, few chairs unless you camp out earlier -- too crazy for more than a day there at their pool, IMO.

Which parks are your favorites? We are Epcot/HS folks, but for many MK is their dream. We ruled out Poly due to only studios and bungalos, but after staying at GF one-bedroom this Christmas season and monorailing over to Kona for breakfast, we all fell in love with the grounds and pools and general vibe at Poly. We're saving up for Poly 2.0, even though MK is our least-favorite park, because it will be a self-contained tower with a variety of room options, on-site dining, and tons of awesome other dining easily accessible by walking to GF/Poly 1.0 or taking the monorail to BLT or even Epcot, if need be. That will be our holiday choice for Thanksgiving to enjoy the holiday decorations but NOT being at GF.

GF is the most expensive, and while beautiful, holy crap it was mobbed 12/10-12/17 when we went. I can only imagine actually being there Christmas week to NYD. The dining options are great, but they're not IN the DVC building, so you have to be dressed and functional to get food, plus navigating weddings and looky-loos and folks wanting to take pics and propose in front of the tree in the main building . . . it's a lot, and we found it draining. The monorail was also smelly, a little inconvenient to get to (going outside, upstairs inside, battling crowds on staircases and the birdcage elevator,) and it broke down, stranding one party at Contemporary. Not saying it's not helpful, but I think it's overrated as a means of transportation. But, we're biased towards the Skyliner, so take this as just my two cents.
 
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We're doing split stays to try all the resorts out, but it IS a bit of a PITA. We have four Owners Lockers of crap, plus our backpacks and carryons, plus whatever food we had delivered. I would never do a split stay for less than a week, but my husband loves Riviera so much, he never wants to go anywhere else. I like to try the others and plan our park days around the other resort as our split, so this summer we're doing OKW to try their pools and TL.

Also, I think you mentioned you have friends who are DVC, like several sets of them? We, inadvertently, ended up with our son becoming good friends with two DVC families. We didn't set out to vacation with them, but we're all locked into school vacations and sport schedules, so now we run into them on our trips and plan some dinners and park things together. It's a lot of fun! If your husband likes any of the other families who own DVC, he may enjoy having other adults to hang with and grab a beer or do golf some day, a fishing trip, whatever. He can get a break from the estrogen, LOL, and it may sweeten the deal for him to sign on sooner than later. Look into all the cool extras you now will have the TIME to do. We want to do carriage rides at the campgrounds during Christmas, and my husband and son had a ball doing the fishing trip at the Yacht Club last year.

This year's 4th of July, we want to book the fireworks dessert party to get away from the crush of humanity and maybe a nighttime safari at AK (our friends own there and are staying the same week as us. Bonus, the guys get along great, and the wife is one of my good friends.)

Lastly, you may find yourself booking 2-bedrooms soon if you want to bring your kids' friends or cousins. We're bringing our niece in July, and then plan to bring my sister and BIL and niece again with us in Thanksgiving of 2024. We traveled with them before in a 2-bedroom at Riviera in August in 2020 and had a great trip! So much fun to share the love. Most people report their biggest regret is not buying in sooner, and not buying more points.

If you decide to do direct, 150 is the minimum to buy in (IF you don't buy a resale contract first.) The best deals are usually around 300 points, which sounds like a lot, but it's not for GF/RR. If you decide to go that route someday, split the points into 150x2 for your kids. Don't get one jumbo contract. If you want to pass it to your kids, it can be a nasty situation trying to figure out in your estate who gets what year's points -- or the burden of maintenance fees. Kids may not want it down the line anyway. Plus, if you DO need to sell for some reason, it's always easier to unload smaller contracts, plus you'd still keep one 150-pointer to use if your use needs go down as you age.
 
As per use year I understand and agree with keeping your contracts with the same use year. I am not certain I would eliminate any use year from consideration with my original resale purchase because the period I expect to vacation is going to change as my life situation changes over the length of the contract.

For most people being locked into the vacation periods when you have kids in school lasts for about 15 years. After that my Christmas or Easter break might became January or September

I think having a different back up plan for the rare need to cancel a vacation within 4 months of your use year can be handled another way
 















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