New Fences and Signs Going In at Beaches

[NoleFan]

The rope and mesh went up this morning at BC/YC at the waterfront.

 

[Pennyguy23]

pics?

 

[Sur]

Having done my share of risk audits...

They weren't common when the Poly was built. So I doubt one was done at all. When you do a risk audit, you multiply likelihood with impact. The impact on this was high, but the likelihood is fairly low. And you get to override the risk audits - if the cost of compliance is high and the risk*cost of failure is low, you are expected to override the audit in most industries.

Now, in retrospect, a risk audit for the bungalows should have included the possibility that people would "feed wildlife off the balconies, increasing the risk of predators in the area, and increasing the risk of aggressive behavior on the part of those predators" - but I'd bet no one thought about people feeding birds - much less gators - off the balconies.

I've done safety audits too and was criticized for finding 17 floors of fire extinguishers out of inspection- it was the responsibility of a union employee, he obviously did not do his job, but I found the error... companies have red tape to cut through and it's BS when it comes to safety.

 

[crisi]

I've done safety audits too and was criticized for finding 17 floors of fire extinguishers out of inspection- it was the responsibility of a union employee, he obviously did not do his job, but I found the error... companies have red tape to cut through and it's BS when it comes to safety.

Mine haven't been safety audits....but yeah. I don't do that job anymore because its a shoot the messenger sort of role. You get blamed for telling them they have to spend millions to get their software in compliance, blamed when they get audited and their software isn't in compliance. Plus the non-zero chance that even after you tell them they need to make corrections, they decide to "accept the risk" (i.e. not fix the problem) And when its internal audit...well, it isn't often people last long in a job where they can't escape blame.

So there is often subtle pressure on the auditor not to shine too much light on a problem that has a low probability. They'll get blamed for bringing it up, it probably won't get fixed anyway, and it likely isn't going to happen.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

Mine haven't been safety audits....but yeah. I don't do that job anymore because its a shoot the messenger sort of role. You get blamed for telling them they have to spend millions to get their software in compliance, blamed when they get audited and their software isn't in compliance. Plus the non-zero chance that even after you tell them they need to make corrections, they decide to "accept the risk" (i.e. not fix the problem) And when its internal audit...well, it isn't often people last long in a job where they can't escape blame.

So there is often subtle pressure on the auditor not to shine too much light on a problem that has a low probability. They'll get blamed for bringing it up, it probably won't get fixed anyway, and it likely isn't going to happen.

We routinely have audits like that. At my level, we get reports from the audits about what the risk is and the probability of the risk. We assess the cost of fixing it. Then a committee makes a choice to fix it or not based on the total exposure of the company. Sometimes those risks even include loss of life, and there is a formula I believe that is factored in for that as well (those don't cross my desk since my systems are not critical infrastructure). A lot of times the auditors don't catch every risk - they sometimes have to rely on the people who know the systems the best to point them out. We generally don't assign blame to an auditor for mentioning risk. We prefer they do point it out so at least we are making educated decisions and not off the cuff ones. Not a point here other than to say that I never blamed my auditors.

On subject; I am sad to see the fences. i don't think it's necessary - as others have pointed out I do not expect to see a sign that I might be hit by lightening. it's unlikely with all the rods in the area, but stranger things have happened. I don't see any signs that a stray meteor can take me out; but it could. I don't want signs everywhere for these things; it would distract from the purpose of the place and would lose it's effectiveness anyway.

 

[crisi]

We prefer they do point it out so at least we are making educated decisions and not off the cuff ones. Not a point here other than to say that I never blamed my auditors.

Thanks, on behalf of the auditors. I've worked for both types of companies. The ones that use audit to fix problems and the ones that blame the auditor. One company I worked for was definitely blame the auditor - they didn't want the auditors to find anything, because what they wanted was to be able to point to the auditors in a lawsuit and say "we have an audit department."

I did work for one company that was ethical and evaluated and fixed issues found in audit. They were where I started doing it and I thought all companies did it that way. Three companies later, I left audit behind me.

 

[DenLo]

The rope and mesh has been added to the Poly beach as well. I saw photos on Tikiman's Facebook page earlier this week. https://www.facebook.com/Tikimanpages/posts/1219517038092968

I think it looks nice. But I can't image this type of fencing being added to a public lake.

 

[Dean Marino]

The rope and mesh has been added to the Poly beach as well. I saw photos on Tikiman's Facebook page earlier this week. https://www.facebook.com/Tikimanpages/posts/1219517038092968

I think it looks nice. But I can't image this type of fencing being added to a public lake.

Perhaps what you just said IS the new reality.... ALL A GUESS, all personal opinion....

This is no longer a public lake. Nor is it a 'beach" - it is a "beach VIEW" . Lawyer speak is wonderful... wife & I rented a JEEP, when we went to Maui. I wanted a serious four wheeler to explore the island...

What I GOT was a lawyer branded "Sun Fun Stay Play" vehicle - 4WD with a steel plate over the 4WD lever . And a cute "Lawyer Plate" - "this is a Sun Fun Stay Play vehicle - NOT a Jeep" .

Let's see how WDW "re brands" anything touching water.... All personal opinion - let the Lawyers loose? They may decide to re brand it all as a "Star Wars" lake - lovely to look at, deadly to touch - mostly ammonia . With "do not eat", "contents may settle during drought", "do not feed vagrant alligators", "no smoking" (required), "no drinking", "no Red Meat" (OK stolen from Escape from NY), "fish may contain bones, brain eating amoeba, or tourist popcorn " - followed by "no fishing" .

All personal opinion - the ETICKET Lawyer Ride can be VERY amusing .

 

[Shanti]

This is going to upset some and I am sorry but there is zero need for this.

The fact that someone died indicates that there is a need for it.

 

[aan1701]

So basically what you are saying is we should put up a fence where someone has died. Sorry I respectfully disagree with you.

 

[corpcomp]

While the fencing is a barrier, not sure the fencing will keep the gators completely out. Having been at BCV last week and seeing the new fence, its pretty weak looking. Just roping / netting about 2-3 feet from the water line.

Then I saw a you tube video of a gator climbing a chicken wire fence about 4 feet high. Also saw the one with the gator being pushed away in the side stream at the bottom of Splash Mountain. Just unnerving.

As some pointed out, this is all about keeping the people away from the water. Re the Poly, they may have to put underwater fencing around the bungalows to keep people from feeding the gators that swim up to them. God forbid anyone in a bungalow lose their footing throwing food.

Disney just removed references to gators in the Magic Kingdom. According to Fox News:

• Louis, the trumpet-playing gator from “The Princess and the Frog,” is no longer part of the Friendship Faire Castle show.
• The Tic Toc Croc, who chases bad guy Captain Hook in “Peter Pan,” has been yanked from the Festival of Fantasy Parade at Magic Kingdom.
• And the Jungle Cruise boat ride no longer includes a corny one-liner from the captain telling parents to “watch your children, or the crocodiles will,” according to the Hollywood Reporter.

Wonder what are they going to do with the dozen gators you pass on the Safari Ride? And those are huge.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

While the fencing is a barrier, not sure the fencing will keep the gators completely out. Having been at BCV last week and seeing the new fence, its pretty weak looking. Just roping / netting about 2-3 feet from the water line.

Then I saw a you tube video of a gator climbing a chicken wire fence about 4 feet high. Also saw the one with the gator being pushed away in the side stream at the bottom of Splash Mountain. Just unnerving.

As some pointed out, this is all about keeping the people away from the water. Re the Poly, they may have to put underwater fencing around the bungalows to keep people from feeding the gators that swim up to them. God forbid anyone in a bungalow lose their footing throwing food.

Disney just removed references to gators in the Magic Kingdom. According to Fox News:

• Louis, the trumpet-playing gator from “The Princess and the Frog,” is no longer part of the Friendship Faire Castle show.
• The Tic Toc Croc, who chases bad guy Captain Hook in “Peter Pan,” has been yanked from the Festival of Fantasy Parade at Magic Kingdom.
• And the Jungle Cruise boat ride no longer includes a corny one-liner from the captain telling parents to “watch your children, or the crocodiles will,” according to the Hollywood Reporter.

Wonder what are they going to do with the dozen gators you pass on the Safari Ride? And those are huge.

I'd say it's more about being able to say they've done all that they possibly could to handle the native wildlife. Vigilance by guests and parents should not lessen. And awareness will be increased for those who did not otherwise know about gators and snakes.

The removal of gator references? Well, many will consider that to be in good taste and deference. Many will consider it an over reaction.

I've wondered if there will be some snippet with a ticket purchase or room booking to notify of wildlife and to agree to indemnify and hold harmless if you purchase.

 

[McCrae]

The fact that someone died indicates that there is a need for it.

Perhaps every Highway should be fenced in.

I think the new fences look horrible and think after a few months weathering they will be an eye sore.

 

[Shanti]

Perhaps every Highway should be fenced in.

All highways have speed limits, traffic rules, safety & information signs, and are patrolled by police. They aren't free-for-alls.

Disney beaches, like highways, are dangerous. Disney bears legal responsibility for the safety of their guests, so they can't allow their beaches to be free-for-alls, either.

 

[Chuck S]

Whereas this thread has strayed off track, and away from the discussion of changes at the parks and DVC Resorts, and has swung back to the topic of responsibility, the moderators have decided to close it.