NEW DVC RESORT COMING

[hayesdvc]

I have been reading discussions for months whether the new cabins being built on the river at Fort Wilderness would be considered part of the original VWL DVC contracts similar to the Bungalows at the Polynesian or would this new construction be a new DVC offering.

I have heard today via the media event currently going on at WDW, that it has been confirmed by officials there, the construction at WL will be a new DVC offering having nothing to do with the current contracts at VWL.

Has anyone heard the same thing?

 

[Kimly]

That is what majority I have heard the past few months about VWL and VWL.2.0.

It's basically what happened with AKL Kadina and Jambo. It makes sense logistics wise.

 

[drusba]

Kidani and Jambo are one DVC resort. They easily fit together because the redo of the fifth and sixth floors of the original AKL building, now Jambo, was just the first phase of the planned building project that included Kidani which was finished not long after Jambo. Thus, giving them the same point structure, end date,and cost per point was easy to do. With VWL that would be impossible unless Disney decided to extend the exisitng VWL end date and copy its point structure so that one of the new studios would cost the same per night as the old VWL studios. If it were to have a higher point structure and was part of the same DVC resort as the old VWL, the old VWL owners would be destroyed by all the new owners bargain hunting for the old VWL rooms at 11 months out. Since Disney's current practice is to make the points required for rooms in each new resort higher than the last one built and continuously raising point prices to astronomical levels, the new VWL had to be a separate DVC resort.

An interesting possibility is the future ressurection of the Fort Wilderness DVC resort for which initial schematics were done several years ago, and accidentally released so that members at the time saw them for a main building in the general area near where River Country once was. Once the new VWL is done, which will have cabins heading well into that direction of where that Fort Wilderness resort was proposed, that Fort Wilderness DVC plus some more cabins along the shoreline could be constructed as an addition to the DVC VWL being built now.

 

[Sammie]

What cabins on what river? The only cabins I know of at Wilderness Lodge are being built on the beach overlooking Bay Lake?

 

[drusba]

The cabins currently being built head along the shoreline toward FW. Plop in some more cabins along the shoreline and they will get near where that schematic of the FW resort showed its building was going to be (which was right off the shoreline at FW). River Country was a waterpark (and many still remember it as the first Disney waterpark and best of them all) in that area that was right on the bay.

 

[Granny]

Has anyone heard the same thing?

Disney's original press release last year was pretty clear in that this would be separate from the original VWL and that it would include conversion of some rooms of WL.

The new cabins are on the Wilderness Lodge property, nowhere near Fort Wilderness.

 

[Granny]

That is what majority I have heard the past few months about VWL and VWL.2.0.

It's basically what happened with AKL Kadina and Jambo. It makes sense logistics wise.

Actually, AKV Kidani and Jambo are the same membership, so it is the opposite of what will happen at VWL 2. There has been no indication, nor does it make logistical sense, that VWL 2 and the original VWL will share any ownership rights. They just happen to be two DVC resorts located on the same general property.

 

[Kimly]

No it would make perfect logistics sense, one point being the current VWL ends in 2042. It would complicate things for no reason, to have new and old under the same contract and have different end years. Complicate things for Disney as a company. Also, I was only saying that AKL is two different reservation pools. I understand that it's the same contract, but one must pick either-or when picking where to stay at AKL.

Eta- I agree that the two will be different entities and not share ownership rights.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Also, I was only saying that AKL is two different reservation pools. I understand that it's the same contract, but one must pick either-or when picking where to stay at AKL.
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That is more like booking a room category within a resort vs a separate pool of points. Owners at Jambo and Kidani have the same 11 month booking window to book any of the AKL rooms. At VWL/VWLII since they will be different resorts it will be the 7 month window to book at the other.

 

[Kimly]

That is more like booking a room category within a resort vs a separate pool of points. Owners at Jambo and Kidani have the same 11 month booking window to book any of the AKL rooms. At VWL/VWLII since they will be different resorts it will be the 7 month window to book at the other.

I know they do.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

To be honest, the analogue for Jambo-Kidani will be "Wing Conversion at WL" and "Lake Cabins."

They converted the bits of Jambo because conversion is faster than new build, and would allow them to start selling points sooner. The same is going to be true for VWL2. Get the lodge rooms converted, BOOM, sales center opens. Cabins will take into 2018, based on current state and how long Poly Bungalows took.

 

[hayesdvc]

At the time the Poly Bungalows were built, was anyone surprised this was not a separate offering or since there are only Poly Studios, that would have made no sense ?

 

[disneynutz]

At the time the Poly Bungalows were built, was anyone surprised this was not a separate offering or since there are only Poly Studios, that would have made no sense ?

Makes no sense, the bungalows are worth like a million points to sell and they want to add them to the studios. If they were separate, who would buy the required points to stay in the bungalows? Thoughts are that they will offer bungalows to cash guests and that after selling out, they will lower the bungalow point requirement and increase the studios.

Bill

 

[_auroraborealis_]

At the time the Poly Bungalows were built, was anyone surprised this was not a separate offering or since there are only Poly Studios, that would have made no sense ?

No one was surprised. The Poly project was designed to be Studios + Bungalows. The economics of keeping the (extreme) Bungalow points associated with smaller units as well are extremely compelling.

 

[Dean]

At the time the Poly Bungalows were built, was anyone surprised this was not a separate offering or since there are only Poly Studios, that would have made no sense ?

As noted by others, it really wasn't feasible to make them separate. The one that's surprising and disappointing IMO, is the THV. It should have been separate.

They could not have made VWL II as part of the original resort with a separate RTU expiration date, it was not possible contractually.

 

[Kimly]

Makes no sense, the bungalows are worth like a million points to sell and they want to add them to the studios. If they were separate, who would buy the required points to stay in the bungalows? Thoughts are that they will offer bungalows to cash guests and that after selling out, they will lower the bungalow point requirement and increase the studios.

Bill

Woah really? I haven't heard that but that would be nice (and not so nice for studios) for the bungalows, there is no way I could spend our points there. I'm too cheap with our points. Aren't the studios already on the same level as GF studios for the most part? But if they lower the bungalow they have to increase the studios because of how the point system works, right?

 

[Dean]

Woah really? I haven't heard that but that would be nice (and not so nice for studios) for the bungalows, there is no way I could spend our points there. I'm too cheap with our points. Aren't the studios already on the same level as GF studios for the most part? But if they lower the bungalow they have to increase the studios because of how the point system works, right?

Yes, they have to have a zero sum when they reallocate. They did just the opposite with the THV, they sold them lower then raised the points there lowering the rest slightly. Some think they did it this way purposefully. If they reallocate at the Poly lowering the bungalows and raising the studios there will be many who feel this was also done purposefully.

 

[Kimly]

Yes, they have to have a zero sum when they reallocate. They did just the opposite with the THV, they sold them lower then raised the points there lowering the rest slightly. Some think they did it this way purposefully. If they reallocate at the Poly lowering the bungalows and raising the studios there will be many who feel this was also done purposefully.

Wow, that's shady. So they raised the tree houses, and I'm guessing that is how they lowered other Villas at SSR with the whole preferred location stuff? I should really pay more attention since we own at SSR.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

TBH, the bungalows are totally shady, so anything involving them will be.

 

[Dean]

Wow, that's shady. So they raised the tree houses, and I'm guessing that is how they lowered other Villas at SSR with the whole preferred location stuff? I should really pay more attention since we own at SSR.

No, this was well before the recent reallocation for view type. Whether it was shady and done intentional or a poor choice gone bad I don't know. I feel they should have been separate but for the Poly and VWL II they clearly should be included in the entire resort (not current VWL).