New Disney Ships: News, Rumors, Speculation.....and Names!

Even just the hassle of going through all the passport checks makes it not worth it. We spent an hour at Charles de Gaulle in Paris just going through the passport line to leave the country. This was after we had already gone through the regular airport checkin and security. I know this is typical outside of the US, but gosh it's so frustrating to have that extra check. And my experience with these checks right outside the international terminals is that they consistently have long lines.

I recall my airport experience in Shanghai and Beijing being similar? But that's been a decade so other folks might have a better idea how it works today. But basically if you were flying from Shanghai to Singapore, you'd want to plan on spending your whole day traveling. I assume it would be similar from Hong Kong, but maybe slightly more streamlined and a bit shorter flight.

Thought I'd just add my experience as a Singaporean living in Singapore who flies out of Singapore Changi airport several times a year... There is zero hassle going through this airport and I actually mean it when I say going through this airport is a joy, it's just such a good experience.

When flying out of Singapore I suspect I could probably get to the airport an hour before my flight and still make it onto my flight with plenty of time to spare. But I've never done this, because I actually like hanging out in the airport! I intentionally go to the airport about 3 hours before my flight so I can spend some time doing things like eating, shopping, seeing the butterflies in the garden, see the koi pond...

On arrival back in Singapore I typically take less than 30 minutes to get off the plane, go through immigration, pick up my checked bags and head into the main terminal.

And if I'm not wrong, the egates used for immigration are now available to most arriving/departing passengers (including non-Singaporeans) so should be pretty fast to get through immigration for most people.
 
Thought I'd just add my experience as a Singaporean living in Singapore who flies out of Singapore Changi airport several times a year... There is zero hassle going through this airport and I actually mean it when I say going through this airport is a joy, it's just such a good experience.

And if I'm not wrong, the egates used for immigration are now available to most arriving/departing passengers (including non-Singaporeans) so should be pretty fast to get through immigration for most people.

And this is largely because Singapore is only an international airport, right? Since there's no domestic connections, the entire airport is built a bit differently than the typical airport. I didn't mean to paint Singapore as a pain, but rather the Hong Kong / Shanghai side of the equation which can be lengthy.
 
That’s one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is do people often pair a DCL cruise with a visit to the nearest park? Yes. Even if I am sailing out of port Everglades I go to Orlando for WDW, 3 hours away. People who fly 20 hours half way around the world to go on a short DCL cruise could very likely combine with the nearest park 4 hours away as a bucket list item. Not saying the will sell a lot of tickets that way, but the will sell some.
This. We just did a cruise back in May on the Dream in the Med, and we added a week after for Paris and Disneyland Paris. It was so awesome.
 
And this is largely because Singapore is only an international airport, right? Since there's no domestic connections, the entire airport is built a bit differently than the typical airport. I didn't mean to paint Singapore as a pain, but rather the Hong Kong / Shanghai side of the equation which can be lengthy.
Would be pretty redundant to have domestic flights in Singapore given that I can get from Changi airport to the other end of the island in less than an hour by car. 🤣

But not quite sure how international-only affects the airport setup v.s. a mix of international and domestic flights or makes the airport more efficient? The only thing I can think of is that maybe you can save space by not having to put arriving international visitors into another area from arriving domestic visitors...

Though one big difference at Changi vs most other airports is that for Terminals 1-3 (which are all connected airside) security screening is done at the gate, instead of being centralised. (Terminal 4 is not connected and has centralised security screening)
 

I’m not arguing Americans are going to fill the Adventure. Only 320,000 Americans visited Singapore last year after all, much less Shanghai. So the market is small. I’m arguing your statement is flawed that most Americans who cruise the Adventure WONT consider a ‘local’ park for the same reason most people who cruise out of Florida don’t combine with a California Disney land visit, why would they when there is Disney World? Your logic on that part is skewed.
Yeah, I agree. The flight is so long to start with that while you’re in at least the same region (and potentially have to fly over/near Hong Kong on the way there/home) why wouldn’t you consider doing it?

I don’t think they are planning to fill their ship with these people and they won’t be their main target audience. But there definitely are going to be these people who do want to sail the Adventure.
 
Looks like some new details and pictures have been released for the Adventure.

Dining:
Mowgli's Eatery:
  • Serves Indian cuisine with a Disney twist
  • Inspired by "The Jungle Book"
  • Casual eatery with decor influenced by regional design
Gramma Tala's Kitchen:
  • Quick service restaurant inspired by "Moana"
  • Pacific Island-themed decor and artwork
  • Menu features diverse flavors from the Pacific and Asia
Entertainment:
Prepare for jaw-dropping stunts, incredible special effects and an epic battle at sea as the mightiest Super Heroes of the Marvel Universe face off against their most threatening villains in the action-packed live show Avengers Assemble!
^ Thanks for this. It builds on the stated idea that this ship’s target demographics is people from this region.

(I just read several pages of this thread and it prompted this response.)

Indian cuisine! It’s not just the British who enjoy that - it’s actual residents.

Go on a cruiseline other than Disney and you will see sections of the buffet dedicated to this cuisine - and a lot of guests who might have grown up eating it.

China and India have about 3 billion people. I don’t think Malaysia and Singapore are the only potential customers. And they are not the only countries in the region. The fourth and fifth most populous countries are Indonesia and Pakistan. If these top 5, only the US at #3 is not in Asia.

It’s no farther from Mumbai to Singapore by plane than the US West Coast or Europe to Florida.

…Those who poo-poo the idea of adding a regional/ same hemisphere - it’s not local - theme park to a cruise have a different mindset. Yes, it is a substantial flight between Singapore and Japan, Hong Kong or Tokyo.

But it such a long flight to just get from the Western Hemisphere to Asia.

I have done it twice. First, to New Zealand. So I stayed two weeks and drove around both islands. That was 21 hours of flying each way.

And then China + Hong Kong. A little closer. But we flew between big cities many times in two weeks.

Those are long times on planes that I haven’t tried again since 1995.

Those who chose to fly far to get to Singapore very well would take the time - “since we’ve come this far” - to incorporate a 3-night cruise into a wider vacation. A trip such as this could easily be a once in a lifetime event.

And, again, not the target audience.

If the contract renewal is approaching in 2030 and they can’t make the desired profit, there is the option to look for a new homeport. Similar thing with 3-night cruises. DCL started with 3- and 4-night cruises. Just because you start with these options doesn’t mean you can’t change your offerings.

…In 2025, there are 132 cruises starting in Singapore. Lots of cruise lines you will recognize. Some, like a Aida’s Mein Schiff ships (that’s redundant) cater to the German market. Here’s a sample:

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Perhaps Adventure will expand its geographic reach. The Wonder now goes to and around Australia. Not just the 3- and 4-night cruises to the Bahamas that got me started. It worked, though. I kept coming back for more. The above cruise companies are sailing from Singapore. Maybe DCL can lure in their market share, too. Some accountant must have thought so, too.
 
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I love that you said not only British people love Indian food because honestly Indian day at Cabanas is my favourite 🤣 Their biryani is just so good!

I wonder if Disney will update the Dream to have an Indian station on the pool deck if they plan to keep sending the Dream to the UK (except 2025) - it would be a perfect target audience for it.
 
I love that you said not only British people love Indian food because honestly Indian day at Cabanas is my favourite 🤣 Their biryani is just so good!

I wonder if Disney will update the Dream to have an Indian station on the pool deck if they plan to keep sending the Dream to the UK (except 2025) - it would be a perfect target audience for it.
I remember at one point that Chicken Tikka Masala was one of the favorite dishes in England. And, yes, it was invented for, or by, the Brits. But the spices are definitely not those of traditionally bland English food.

Probably just continue serving schwarma. I guess it more Turkish or Middle Eastern? The tag scene of Avengers is blocking any real knowledge of that good.

…I’ve heard multiple people comment on having Indian food in the MDRs. Just have to ask.
 
Disney Wish sailed the Ems river to Netherlands for finishing touches 106 days before her Maiden Voyage. That would have been September 6 for the Treasure…. Maybe something to look forward to this week?
 
Disney Wish sailed the Ems river to Netherlands for finishing touches 106 days before her Maiden Voyage. That would have been September 6 for the Treasure…. Maybe something to look forward to this week?
According to German media the necessary water management for sending the ship down the river Ems has been on the books for the second half of September for a while. It seems like it’s always been scheduled like this. It could have been that the Wish was moved earlier because the space was needed for another ship?
 
According to German media the necessary water management for sending the ship down the river Ems has been on the books for the second half of September for a while. It seems like it’s always been scheduled like this. It could have been that the Wish was moved earlier because the space was needed for another ship?
I believe it needs to scheduled with the very high tide of the full moon.
 
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I believe it needs to scheduled with the very tide of the full moon.
From what I understand, they raise the river by closing a gate. So the water level rises like if there was a dam. The tide goes into the Ems, but I don’t think it’s vital for the water levels as the conveyance takes far too long to rely on the tide - and how would it get in if the river has been closed off to the sea.

But I found out that the rising of the Ems water levels can only been down outside of water fowl breeding periods as it destroys their nests along the river bank.

But Papenburg is considered a sea port! Actually quite busy and important for this area! I had no idea, but this explains why the shipyard ended up there. Hamburg is pretty far inland as well, but the Elbe is a much larger river…
 
From what I understand, they raise the river by closing a gate. So the water level rises like if there was a dam. The tide goes into the Ems, but I don’t think it’s vital for the water levels as the conveyance takes far too long to rely on the tide - and how would it get in if the river has been closed off to the sea.

But I found out that the rising of the Ems water levels can only been down outside of water fowl breeding periods as it destroys their nests along the river bank.

But Papenburg is considered a sea port! Actually quite busy and important for this area! I had no idea, but this explains why the shipyard ended up there. Hamburg is pretty far inland as well, but the Elbe is a much larger river…
The Ems River is tidal at Papenburg. Looks like as much as 10 feet or more on certain days.
https://www.tidetablechart.com/tides/hightide_lowtide/55012/Ems River : Papenburg, Ems

It is only 20 miles to the North Sea from the ship yard.. The conveyance process takes about 10 hours.
 
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