Need thoughts on 7 year old 2nd grader behavior problem(long~sorry)

So, all you got out of the teachers' e-mails to you was that Ben had a messy desk?

How about all the other significant behavior issues they addressed? Such as refusing to join the group almost on a daily basis? The constant interruption of the classroom? The other children complaining about his behavior? The frequent hiding under the desk?

Have you dismissed all these behaviors as just the teacher giving him the shaft?

Between your denial of his problems, your constant blaming of the teachers, your insistence on hugs, love rather and cheerleading rather than discipline, your refusal to answer how you addressed the boyscout issue, and now the post above, I think it is now very clear on what type of young man Ben is and your parenting style.

Thanks for your most helpful input :rolleyes: This will most likely be my last post. No, obviously that is not all I got out of the teacher's emails. I was very disturbed by what I read in their emails. I am working with his teachers to reverse the behaviors.

In the comments sections of his two report cards, YES, that is basically what I got out of it. Call me stupid, but what I read was that he needs reminders to stay on task and his desk is messy. From observing in his classroom, I can tell you that there are several children there with messy desks and reminders to stay focused. When I read the emails from his art and music teachers, those were different, I had not either realized, or been informed the issues were that bad. As soon as I either realized that or learned it steps were taken to change his behavior.

You certainly do not need to disrespect me or my son.
 
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=42786370#post42786370

How did this testing go? Did you get results? You seem so focused on the issue with your son stemming from a learning disability.

Also, it seems you were aware of your son having problems in school from the beginning of the school year. It also seems you have been blaming the teachers since the beginning.

I know people get their panties in a bunch when old threads are pulled up but that thread was extremely helpful. It most certainly points out that there have been problems with Ben's behavior since the beginning of the school year and the OP'er puts the blame on the teacher she doesn't like. It certainly paints the picture that I suspected.
 
I have read all of the responses and appreciate every one of them, even the ones that I don't agree with and even the ones that are down right mean spirited.
Hello, undoubtedly "Down Right Mean Spirited" & "Unkind" poster checking back in!

Do you really expect us to buy the notion that you are really "appreciative" of the opposing viewpoints when you continue to vociferously claim that so many of your statements are being misinterpreted by these same people and others are just "mean spirited" and "unkind"? That's like trying to proclaim that "You don't sweat much for a fat lady!" is some sort of compliment.

For those of you who are insisting that I am NOT addressing his current behavior problems head on now are just dead wrong.
I cannot speak for others, but I have never said that you were uncritical of your son's classroom behavior... I have said that you appear to have the priorities backwards when it comes to how to solve the behavioral issues. The primary emphasis shouldn't be on getting the teachers to change how they handle your son and try to be more "positive".

For those of you that keep insisting that I am complaining that her emails were 'unprofessional', 'uncaring', etc. I never did say that at all.
You think you didn't imply such things??? OK, then do this... Take the comments you made about your son's teachers in your opening post in this thread and e-mail them straight to the teachers (copy the Principal too), verbatim. Be sure to include how they want to just do what's "easy" and how they're "shafting" your son. <tongue-in-check> Or, maybe given the names you keep leaving around here we can deduce WHO the teachers are and just e-mail this thread! I'm sure they'd love to read it.</tongue-in-check>

"Thank you for filling me in on Ben and how he is at home, and for the suggestion about focusing on the positive. I do try to give Ben feedback when he is doing the right thing, but I will try to do it more."
I agree with katespade, given the phrasing of this section, and think it's safe to say that this is a very "restrained" response from the teacher. I've listened to my wife compose similar responses out loud to parental e-mails... most often when the parent attempts to inform my wife how she should do her job.
 
OP, take a deep breath, do a serious gut check and then do everything you can to seriously address your son's behavioral issues. Consistently insisting the system adapt to your son's wishes won't help him become the wonderful person he has the potential to be.

Just because he misbehaves doesn't mean he's an awful human being with no redeeming qualities. You've put out plenty of anecdotes to back up your belief he's a great kid. If you help him adapt and function in the world around him, his own actions will speak for him and you won't have to worry about putting a good spin on who he is. Let him take his lumps while he's young and the consequences are small. It will help him learn and grow.

Protecting him from every perceived slight and injustice will insure he is incapable of dealing with any adversities in life. It can destroy his confidence in himself and eventually lead to even bigger issues as he grows up. Everybody benefits from the heads up when they're young that the world isn't fair and life doesn't go our way all of the time.
 

I didn't read all the responses here, but I wanted to add something to the conversation based on my personal experience with my DS. We had an extremely difficult start to Grade One (just turned 6), when he had to transition into full day school. The teacher and guidance counselor were focused on there being a serious behavioural issue, and assumed that he could not control his behaviour because of some underlying pathology. Knowing my child the way I do, I did not believe that, but certainly agreed that his behaviour in class was not acceptable. He too would refuse to participate in class, and one day spent a period of time hiding under a desk. I scheduled a meeting about three weeks into the school year with the teacher, guidance counselor, principal and vice principal to discuss how we could help him. The meeting was extremely useful, and I discovered that what was happening was that if his classroom behaviour was not acceptable, the teacher was calling the VP and asking her to take him out of class. They were taking him into the special needs classroom to play Lego. I pointed out that as his big issue was with not wanting to be in the classroom to start with, he was getting daily reinforcement for his bad behaviour. So, with help from the whole group, we decided to turn it on its head. We set up a sticker chart for the day, with a sticker for every half hour of school time. We set up a clear expectation for him, and if he met that expectation, he got the sticker. The expectation was "I will listen to [teacher]." If he got 4 out of 5 stickers, he earned a 10 minute break with the VP playing Lego in the special needs classroom, once in the morning, and once in the afternoon. So, the time out was a reward for him. He completely turned his behaviour around within 3 days, and 10 days later he had no sticker chart at all. He is in Grade 5 now, and hasn't needed or had any further intervention for his behaviour. He is still not an easy kid! But he IS a well behaved one (for the most part! Nobody is perfect!! LOL).

I'm not saying that in every case there is no underlying issue. I'm saying that sometimes "to a carpenter, everything is a nail" if you get my drift. Sometimes these kinds of things can be addressed with interventions and resolved.

Good luck to you, and I wish you the best.
 
OP, I think part of this may be because this is your oldest child. I have four and fear that my youngest may be like this. She is difficult and a handful. Although she is only 3.5 years old, I can definitely tell she is different than the other three at this stage.

Only because I've raised three others, I know that her behavior (even at home) while it's very cute at times, it also does not appear to be normal. Her pediatrician has ruled out autism, but is now considering Asperger's/ADHD. I'm thinking ADHD. Because I know even now that she is super busy, I also know if/when the teachers say she is causing problems, I will agree with them and try to get help at that time.

I'm hoping she calms down some before kindergarten. Just this week in Sunday School she was mad/crying because she wanted to do one activity and it was time for something else. I know that the teachers will not have time to pull her aside 1:1 to correct/change/positively reinforce each behavior. That problem will be up to me and DH with the help of our pediatrician.

In short, if it's your first, it's really hard to know if some behaviors are normal or not.
 
If you had read the thread you'd have the answer. But instead you seem to just want to dig up dirt from past posts. He was evaluated in December, I have been in contact with him twice since, and still no report.

I would be VERY surprised if he does not have a learning disability. He suffered mild hearing loss most of his young life, only passing a hearing test mid way through kindergarden. He was in ST until K, had a lot of articulation issues, and this has complicated his success in school. He has a lot of difficulty with phoenemic awareness, mostly stemming from the fact that when he was learning to speak he was not hearing correctly. I have stated his behavior problems *could* be from an undiagnosed LD. It *could* also be him being a brat. It *could* also be because he is being bullied/teased in some way. It could also be because he is being a brat.

I have never suggested that I don't think my son has accountability for his behavior. I most certainly believe he does. I know it's my job as a parent to teach him how to behave and discipline him. I also think it's *Part* of the school's responsibility to help him acheive the social skills needed to succeed and hopefully do well. School is NOT just about learning to read and write.

I did read the thread. It had been over 6 months since you decided to get him tested and going on 4 months since you had him tested. If you have no results at this point, my guess would be you got results you didn't agree with. I can't imagine, at almost 4 months, not having any type of feedback on the results would be acceptable.

Also, it wasn't about "digging up dirt". It was to remind you that these problems have been around all school year and to let you see in your own words that you have been placing the blame on the school since the get-go.
 
The longer you have your head in the sand about your son's behavior issues the worse they are going to get. It is not everyone else's fault. When you finally realize that you will be better off.
 
OP

I really think that there is more of an issue here than you are willing to admit. Based on your post from the other thread, your son's disciplinary problems have been ongoing. You now have 5 sources, the sub, the permanent teacher, the art teacher, the music teacher, and scouts, all confirming the same negative behavior. There is obviously an issue. If it were just 1 source, I may be willing to say that the issue might be with that particular person, but with 5 sources all confirming the same behavior, it is pretty obvious that the issue lies with your son.

Really, you are doing him a disservice by making excuses for his behavior (he had a learning disability, they pick on him, they are too negative with him) and allowing him to make excuses for his own behavior. (she won't help me, it's funny)

Frankly, a lot of the teacher's comments signal ADD to me (I have ADD, though not ADHD, so I wasn't a behavior problem) but all my elementary teachers said the exact same things, messy, disorganized, forgetful, has trouble staying on task, doesn't complete assignments, procrastinates, easily distracted, etc, etc, etc.

However, that is not an excuse for the behavior. The acting out behavior in all your posts is all unacceptable and inappropriate. It has become popular recently (and especially on the Dis) to excuse negative behaviors by suggesting someone may have a disorder. Not everything is a disorder, sometimes bad behavior is just that, bad behavior.

Obviously your methods of discipline, or lack thereof, are not working. You say your son thrives on positive reinforcement, but that is obviously not true, because in spite of all the positive reinforcement, attention, and love you give him, he is still acting out. ...and I find it concerning that you would actually suggest to the teacher(s) that they need to be more positive. I seriously doubt that they are negative with your son. Correcting him is not negative. When he is crawling under the desk what, exactly, can they say that you would consider "positive?" Ben, you are such a great crawler! Show us how great a stander stiller you are!" He is in 2nd grade. He is more than old enough to know that that type of behavior is wrong.

I think you need to seriously need to step back and take a look at your son's behavior and then really, really re-think your methods of discipline. You need to look at his behavior objectively and note what negative behavior is occurring at home. I am sure that a lot of the behaviors that are happening at school are happening at home, but you are not seeing them because they aren't negatively affecting anyone, and because you are the parents and you see the whole picture of your son, the caring, sensitive, funny kid. What is sounds like is that your son needs firm, consistent limits. Everywhere, at home and at school. I will suggest a book called 1-2-3 Magic.

I will tell you about my friend's son. I'll call her Mary and I'll call him Billy. The teachers have been coming to her about Billy's behavior since the 1st grade. Many of the same behaviors. Acts silly, funny, goofy. Rolls on the floor, plays around when he is supposed to do his work. Pokes and plays with other kids. Is disruptive during activities, doesn't follow directions. Billy is now in the 5th grade. Almost every week the school is notifying her of once incident or another. Every report card there are comments about his behavior. ...and every single time Mary has an excuse. "The teacher doesn't like him." "the other kids started it." "He is bored." "He said he didn't do it." The list goes on and on. I have witnessed his behavior 1st hand, and I have witnessed his her response. He was rolling around on the ground acting silly (we were sitting outside a store at an outdoor mall waiting for my 14 year old to finish paying for her purchases. He was doing this because it was making my 3 year old laugh. Mom never once corrected him, because he is "funny and loves little kids) I turned to buckle my baby into the stroller and he, somehow, knocked my 3 yr old down and she hit her head on a pole. When I picked her up and said, "That's enough playing around now!" I suddenly became the "mean" one who didn't "like" her son. Now back to school... he IS now the kid that gets picked on, because the behavior that was funny to the other kids in 1st and second grade is just "weird" now. He is now the kid that "can't get right" and the "bad" kid that is always in trouble. He doesn't have any friends, and my son (same age) only deals with him reluctantly because I make him. (they don't go to the same school)

I have tried and tried to discuss his behavior with Mary. I have explained to her that he is going to be in Jr. High next year. They will no longer make excuses for his behavior. There will be no more frowny faces, no more "losing recess," no more "time out chair." No more calling mom who can get him out of the consequences for his behavior. There will be detention, then suspension, and if he doesn't get right, they will send him to alternative school. This will impact his whole future.

So no, having a messy desk will not mean that he will be a juvenile delinquent, but not accepting or dealing with the fact that his behavior is a problem is going to negatively effect his future. Educationally, and socially.

A behavior problem does not mean your son is a "bad" kid, it means that he is making poor choices in certain situations. You need consistent boundaries and consistent consequences. My friend lets her son act up until it gets on her nerves, or she gets called to school, then she blows up and goes overboard, only to not stick to the unrealistic punishment she metes out. I will use scouts as an example. You tell your son, ahead of time what is expected of him. "You will sit quietly and listen." and then you tell him what the consequences are if he doesn't, "We will leave immediately and you will lose your privilege to watch TV." When he acts up, you do just that, and you ask him "What was the rule?" "What is the consequence of not following the rule?" ...and you follow through. Every, single time.

You need to meet with the school. You need to keep an open mind about what they are saying to you. This is a conference regarding negative behavior. Do not go into it expecting to hear praise and hearts and flowers. Expect to hear about negative behavior. Listen to the teachers, listen to what methods they are employing at school, remember, their hands are tied in regards to what methods they can use. They have other students, they have rules about disciplinary techniques, and they have time constraints. Take their methods and make sure there is FIRM and CONSISTENT follow up at home.
 
I have thought about this kid for a bit now and it really bothers me that his parents are not focusing on how help their son make positive changes in how he behaves in school. Parenting a child is more than giving positive feedback in order to make the child feel god.. It means really stepping back and taking a hard look at what professionals are trying to tell you in regards to the behaviors they see in class. I understand that it is never easy to accept that your child's behavior is not acceptable but it is irresponsible to place blame on the messengers.

My DGD has been going to school with a boy whose behavior is similar to the behaviors that the OP has discussed. What was overlooked or tolerated in Kindergarten and first grade by the students and their parents was not okay as he got older. The parents are completely overwhelmed, he is the last of 6 kids I think and his behavior has gone from very annoying to out of control. The teachers are visibly struggling and each year there are parents who absolutely refuse to allow their own child to be in a classroom with him. Our town has a lot of summer activities and the classes the boy was in were a complete waste of money for DD.

When I read the OP's posts I am reminded of the boy's Mom and conversations that we have had while her son participated in activities with my DGD. She was frustrated on the one hand and oozing compliments to him on the other and complaining to me on both. She has to come on field trips now, there is no one who will take responsibility for her boy and that is a shame, he is a nice kid. But as I said, a 7 YO who is acting up and a "clown" who refuses to listen in class is annoying and disruptive A 10 YO whose behavior has not changed is not only disruptive in the classroom, it makes the children avoid him like the plague.

I feel badly that the OP is hearing things that are not all sunshine and roses about her son but the sooner she gets help in modifying her sons behavior the better off that boy will be. If she continues to ignore what is not pleasant she will be faced with helping a nice boy figure out why he has no friends in school and why teachers are not dripping with positive feedback like his Mom. I have no idea why the child's behavior is what it is, only the professionals can figure that out, but I do know that whatever the reason is there needs to be a plan in place for him. That is his parents job.
 
A thought on the hiding under the table thing - Ben says it was him and two other boys and the OP said the teacher wouldn't discuss other children with her. Of course the teacher shouldn't and I'd think wouldn't discuss other children, in a 'Bobby is no angel either' way.'

However, had there actually been a little group that was having fun doing this, I don't think it'd have been mentioned the same way. There's nothing at all in the letter to indicate that it's anyone but Ben, and saying 'with other students/which encourages other students to join him/along with some other students/etc.' That wouldn't be discussing other students, it wouldn't even be numbering them specifically. Note that she does say other students try to encourage Ben to pay attention - it's not that she won't mention them.

Hence, I think the only one under the table is Ben, and I'd certainly clarify that with the teacher and then have a hard-line discussion with Ben about deflecting blame and lying, if he said there were others and there weren't.

The other thing I noticed when I went back to look at the original letter is that the OP says 'if the teacher feels Ben needs attention' why can't she give him that attention for a couple of minutes.

She never says she thinks he NEEDS attention. She says he WANTS attention.

While this is a minor distinction, I think it's important in terms of general outlook about this entire situation. Ben clearly wants attention - that doesn't mean he needs to be given attention, which I don't know that the OP would agree with but I think his teachers would and that difference may result in a difference in how his behaviours are treated at home and at school.

I have to agree with this. Anytime there has been an issue with my son that involved other kids, I was always made aware that there were other kids involved. No names were mentioned. So I have to think that since you have not heard this, that he is the only one doing this.

Likely my last post here. I have reread every comment made as well as teacher emails. I am hearing you guys, thanking you and, do appreciate helping me step outside and see things in a different light(which was why I even posted in the first place). It takes a lot of courage to post in my REAL screen name to complete strangers such personal information about my family. I did it to HELP my son, although some of you aren't seeing that.

I did get a lot of very helpful advice and I am very thankful for that. Since I know you are thinking I am avoiding discussing how behavior at scouts was handled I will tell you. I happen to work full time, have a 2 year old, and a 7 year old that is obviously going through a hard time. He was removed from scouts, brought home, and sent to bed. There was no tv or computer for several days. He also had to write sentences stating he would not act up in scouts.

Most posts were helpful and polite. Two did stick out to me as mean spirited and unkind.

I honestly don't know what this has to do with it. You started your explination with an excuse. Lots of moms work full-time with multiple kids, lots of moms are single moms, that does not mean their kids get a pass in the behavior department.

I am speaking from experience here, I have one of "those" kids (who is also in 2nd grade) that I have seen several people on this thread discuss that they don't want in their kids classrooms. Sometimes things are not always as they seem and the kid does have some underlying reason for their behavior, sometimes it is not that the kid is just a brat. With my son, he has severe anxiety. I do not, however, use this as an excuse for his behavior. He still has to answer for his misbehavior.

I spent the last 3 years figuring out what was wrong with him and all the teachers agreed that it was not a behavioral thing, but he was still responsible for his actions. He is now on medication and doing much better, but having a child like this is absolutely exausting and to the outside world, he looks like a hyper kid who disrupts the class. I hurts me hear that parents have such disgust for these kind of kids because really, you don't know what is going on and you cannot assume that this is a kid who is just a brat. That is not always the case.

As a mom with a kid like this, I have always known that there was something different with him. Other parents who have kids like mine also say the same thing. So I have to think that deep down you know there is an issue here and you probably have for quite some time. It is SO HARD to hear bad things about our kids. But sometime you have to suck it up and do what is best for HIM. If hearing these things about Ben hurts you so badly, can you imagine what he is going through inside if there is indeed something medical going on? You have to help him with this, not just keep brushing it off to the side and pretending that it is everyone else's fault. You are not doing him any favors by doing that.

His teachers responses were very supportive and caring and it really seems to me that they are doing everything they can to try and reel him in. EMBRACE THIS and stop acting like they are giving him the shaft! Have meetings with them to come up with a plan that might help him, get him tested from the school.....at this point you should be doing EVERYTHING you can to try and get him help. This means meeting with dr's and psychiatrists, have a full work-up done on him, do everything that you can possibly do and start ruling things out! We had my son tested by both an outside place and the schools (as well as a ton of other things) and they both came up with the same conclusion, but there have been 3 years of ruling things out before we finally got to the bottom of what is going on and can now move on to helping with that particular thing. My point is that this stuff takes time, it is exhausting and sometimes you just want to give up. But you owe it to your son to give him the best possible life he could have, and the longer you wait, the longer he will suffer if this is indeed a learning disability or something medical.

OTOH, if you do all this and all the tests come back that there is nothing wrong and it is behavioral, LISTEN TO THEM and take control of this now. It is only going to get harder the older he gets.
 
I would be VERY surprised if he does not have a learning disability. He suffered mild hearing loss most of his young life, only passing a hearing test mid way through kindergarden. He was in ST until K, had a lot of articulation issues, and this has complicated his success in school. He has a lot of difficulty with phoenemic awareness, mostly stemming from the fact that when he was learning to speak he was not hearing correctly. I have stated his behavior problems *could* be from an undiagnosed LD. It *could* also be him being a brat. It *could* also be because he is being bullied/teased in some way. It could also be because he is being a brat.

OP, many have mentioned ADHD... But, the above really, very strongly, suggests that Central Auditory Processing could be a big issue... or even THE big issue.

But, railing about the teacher and using any issue at all to justifiy your child's behaviors is NOT doing him, or anyone else, any favors.

Has he ever seen a specialist that can identify and diagnose CAPD???

As everyone else has said, addressing these things is up to YOU.

I know...
BTDT....

My son has serious learning disabilities (no behavior issues)
The schools here were not willing to acknowledge, or address this....
It was all up to me and DH as parents. We took him for a thorough and objective full eval... We learned about his diagnosis, and what the recommended and needed approaches/accommodations/modifications were.

Yes, perhaps your son's one primary teacher has not been the best.
Perhaps she has not been able to handle this without throwing out negative labels. I understand how that feels!!!! BTDT with my son.

But, never, ever, in a million years, have I ever let something like that be an 'excuse' or absolve me of my responsibilities to my child. Not in any way.

I know it is tough.
I know how it feels.

But, everyone here is right.

It is now up to you.

No excuses...
Nobody else to blame....
Nowhere to pass the buck...

:hug:
 
So the fact that she included the teachers first name bothered you? I wonder how many teachers are named "Jessica"? :lmao: Granted, having his (what I assume is his "main") teacher's last name may be pushing the line a little, but again, I'm guessing her name is probably on the website of the school, so I don't see any security issue.

To the OP... I also wonder how you reacted in scouts and to the "it's funny" comment. Since MULTIPLE people have asked for your reaction AND you say you've read every post, I can't believe you've just "missed" the questions. Your silence on these issues speaks volumes.

Again, now's the time to focus on what's best for your son NOW, not what a teacher has written on previous report cards. I also think it's telling that there's apparently a report card left off. You list comments from two report cards (one supposedly recently), but by now there should have been three.

Good luck OP.

Uh, no. She included a last name in the response, which is why I posted the reminder.

Safety or security issue could be if someone figures out what school she is talking about, and then knows who her son is, since she has also used his first name.

Not sure about the length of your school calendar, but we have only had 2 reporting periods by now, so perhaps OP has only received 2 report cards, and not 3 as you suggest?

If you had read the thread you'd have the answer. But instead you seem to just want to dig up dirt from past posts. He was evaluated in December, I have been in contact with him twice since, and still no report.

I would be VERY surprised if he does not have a learning disability. He suffered mild hearing loss most of his young life, only passing a hearing test mid way through kindergarden. He was in ST until K, had a lot of articulation issues, and this has complicated his success in school. He has a lot of difficulty with phoenemic awareness, mostly stemming from the fact that when he was learning to speak he was not hearing correctly. I have stated his behavior problems *could* be from an undiagnosed LD. It *could* also be him being a brat. It *could* also be because he is being bullied/teased in some way. It could also be because he is being a brat.

I have never suggested that I don't think my son has accountability for his behavior. I most certainly believe he does. I know it's my job as a parent to teach him how to behave and discipline him. I also think it's *Part* of the school's responsibility to help him acheive the social skills needed to succeed and hopefully do well. School is NOT just about learning to read and write.

Not a surprise about hearing, which is why I suggested back in one of my earlier posts to have his hearing and vision checked.

There definitely might be some processing issues here (central auditory processing), as well as perhaps LD or ADHD.

I hope you have been able to contact the neuropsych, and that your son did well with his communication chart at school today.

Off to read the rest of the thread! Best of luck, Tiger
 
I have to agree with this. Anytime there has been an issue with my son that involved other kids, I was always made aware that there were other kids involved. No names were mentioned. So I have to think that since you have not heard this, that he is the only one doing this.



I honestly don't know what this has to do with it. You started your explination with an excuse. Lots of moms work full-time with multiple kids, lots of moms are single moms, that does not mean their kids get a pass in the behavior department.

I am speaking from experience here, I have one of "those" kids (who is also in 2nd grade) that I have seen several people on this thread discuss that they don't want in their kids classrooms. Sometimes things are not always as they seem and the kid does have some underlying reason for their behavior, sometimes it is not that the kid is just a brat. With my son, he has severe anxiety. I do not, however, use this as an excuse for his behavior. He still has to answer for his misbehavior.

I spent the last 3 years figuring out what was wrong with him and all the teachers agreed that it was not a behavioral thing, but he was still responsible for his actions. He is now on medication and doing much better, but having a child like this is absolutely exausting and to the outside world, he looks like a hyper kid who disrupts the class. I hurts me hear that parents have such disgust for these kind of kids because really, you don't know what is going on and you cannot assume that this is a kid who is just a brat. That is not always the case.

As a mom with a kid like this, I have always known that there was something different with him. Other parents who have kids like mine also say the same thing. So I have to think that deep down you know there is an issue here and you probably have for quite some time. It is SO HARD to hear bad things about our kids. But sometime you have to suck it up and do what is best for HIM. If hearing these things about Ben hurts you so badly, can you imagine what he is going through inside if there is indeed something medical going on? You have to help him with this, not just keep brushing it off to the side and pretending that it is everyone else's fault. You are not doing him any favors by doing that.

His teachers responses were very supportive and caring and it really seems to me that they are doing everything they can to try and reel him in. EMBRACE THIS and stop acting like they are giving him the shaft! Have meetings with them to come up with a plan that might help him, get him tested from the school.....at this point you should be doing EVERYTHING you can to try and get him help. This means meeting with dr's and psychiatrists, have a full work-up done on him, do everything that you can possibly do and start ruling things out! We had my son tested by both an outside place and the schools (as well as a ton of other things) and they both came up with the same conclusion, but there have been 3 years of ruling things out before we finally got to the bottom of what is going on and can now move on to helping with that particular thing. My point is that this stuff takes time, it is exhausting and sometimes you just want to give up. But you owe it to your son to give him the best possible life he could have, and the longer you wait, the longer he will suffer if this is indeed a learning disability or something medical.

OTOH, if you do all this and all the tests come back that there is nothing wrong and it is behavioral, LISTEN TO THEM and take control of this now. It is only going to get harder the older he gets.

A few thoughts here:

I have NEVER allowed my kids to use the excuse, "but so-and-so was doing it, too." I don't care what anyone, or everyone else was doing. YOU were doing something you were not supposed to. I don't even care if the teacher tells me anyone else was involved. I don't care, those kids are not my issue.

I work full time, I have FOUR kids. Teen to toddler, and this is quadruple the reason you better not act up in school. If I have to leave work because you acted like a fool in school, or use my vacation time to sit through conferences on behavior you darn well can control, I am going to come down on you like a cheetah on a three legged antelope. Just pick out your casket if they call your father.

I am sorry that you have you have had issues in school with your son. I don't think anyone has disgust toward having "that" kid in their class, but, as a parent with kids in pre-school to high school, the issue comes when another child's behavior starts to impact my child's education. When a child's behavior is so disruptive that the other kids can't learn, or the teacher can't teach because she has to spend her classroom time dealing with a "high needs" kid, or there are activities and experiences that the rest of the class can't have because of one kid's behavior (such as not being able to go on field trips because no chaperon will accept responsibility for that child) or my kid is so scared by the acting out that they don't want to go to school, then it becomes my problem. At that point I need to do what I need to do to ensure that my child, too, gets a well-rounded education. I am all for inclusion, and I believe that school is a little microcosm of society where all children learn to deal with all different people and things, but there needs to be a limit what is acceptable. I think, in general, what is best for the majority of the class needs to be considered.

I am not saying that this is your son, but if you read my previous post, I have a friend whose kid is "that" kid. The difference is is that she does nothing about it. Unfortunately, there are those parents out there. The ones who think that their kid's behavior in school is the school's problem. It's these kids who cause the biggest problems in school because the teacher's hands are tied in dealing with them.
 
Lol - before he was even diagnosed, ds13 would carry every single book in his backpack (and walk to and from school). When I asked him why, he said it was to make sure he didn't forget anything. We held off medicating until 6th grade, when his grades started to go down - he just couldn't focus. He is innattentive, and therefore not a distraction in class (okay, he used to hum), and not a behavior problem, so we just waited until grades were a problem.

He is still a straight A honor student (thank you, focalin!). He never had problems with his peers, and always had lots of friends (he's also very athletic so that helps). You have to watch the class clown thing - are the kids laughing with him, or being annoyed? Some clowns tend to lack the ability to read social cues.

We never found a medicine that worked for my son and didn;t have side effects. He has figured out ways around the ADD(like yours, the inattentive type). I love his personality and quirks, so I don't think I would take the ADD away, even if I could.:goodvibes

I didn't read all the responses here, but I wanted to add something to the conversation based on my personal experience with my DS. We had an extremely difficult start to Grade One (just turned 6), when he had to transition into full day school. The teacher and guidance counselor were focused on there being a serious behavioural issue, and assumed that he could not control his behaviour because of some underlying pathology. Knowing my child the way I do, I did not believe that, but certainly agreed that his behaviour in class was not acceptable. He too would refuse to participate in class, and one day spent a period of time hiding under a desk. I scheduled a meeting about three weeks into the school year with the teacher, guidance counselor, principal and vice principal to discuss how we could help him. The meeting was extremely useful, and I discovered that what was happening was that if his classroom behaviour was not acceptable, the teacher was calling the VP and asking her to take him out of class. They were taking him into the special needs classroom to play Lego. I pointed out that as his big issue was with not wanting to be in the classroom to start with, he was getting daily reinforcement for his bad behaviour. So, with help from the whole group, we decided to turn it on its head. We set up a sticker chart for the day, with a sticker for every half hour of school time. We set up a clear expectation for him, and if he met that expectation, he got the sticker. The expectation was "I will listen to [teacher]." If he got 4 out of 5 stickers, he earned a 10 minute break with the VP playing Lego in the special needs classroom, once in the morning, and once in the afternoon. So, the time out was a reward for him. He completely turned his behaviour around within 3 days, and 10 days later he had no sticker chart at all. He is in Grade 5 now, and hasn't needed or had any further intervention for his behaviour. He is still not an easy kid! But he IS a well behaved one (for the most part! Nobody is perfect!! LOL).

I'm not saying that in every case there is no underlying issue. I'm saying that sometimes "to a carpenter, everything is a nail" if you get my drift. Sometimes these kinds of things can be addressed with interventions and resolved.

Good luck to you, and I wish you the best.

LOL, once I had a kid who was acting like a total turd. The counselor would come and get him and then I found out she was taking him to garden when he misbehaved. I still remember the mom marching in that office and telling her "You will NOT reward my child for bad behavior!" Once they started actually punishing him(he had to sit at a table, no toys, no books no thing until he could explain his behavior and what he should have done), things really straightened up.
 
A few thoughts here:

I work full time, I have FOUR kids. Teen to toddler, and this is quadruple the reason you better not act up in school. If I have to leave work because you acted like a fool in school, or use my vacation time to sit through conferences on behavior you darn well can control, I am going to come down on you like a cheetah on a three legged antelope. Just pick out your casket if they call your father.
Mom? Is that you?:confused::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:
 
Let me preface this by saying that I in no way think I have an angelic child. I understand he can be difficult at times, but with a little patience, kindness, and love he is a good kid.

Report cards came home on Friday. I had been in contact with his regular teacher. She had been out on maternity leave until January, so she was just getting to know him. She was having issues with him trying to make his friends laugh at inappropriate times, trouble staying on task, etc. We had a conference, removed most privileges at home, and really cracked down. Things had improved.

Not so good words on his report from art and music class of all things. CLass behaviors had improved. I had only very minor behavior issues before this year. I dropped them each a quick email to ask what strategies they were using in their classes to help.

Here is the first response:


Thank you for your email. I appreciate your concerns and your
willingness to help Ben achieve at school. I do not believe that these
issues are just surfacing now, but they are escalating. I am in
contact with his teachers and we are all trying to help Ben control
his behavior and put forth strong effort.

In art class, there is much room for creativity, personal choice, and
socializing/sharing ideas, but Ben's behavior is interfering with
this. He enters the classroom immediately seeking attention (silly
comments, loud noises, banging or rocking his seat) so the first
strategy is to try to ignore it and grab his attention with the
lesson. If Ben's behavior (or anyone else) is disruptive for others
and myself, then I'll either walk his way or mention his name casually
while I'm still introducing the lesson. When I am demonstrating art
methods and techniques at the demonstration/round table, Ben usually
refuses to participate and stays on the other side of the room (or
crawls under the work tables). I encourage him to join us so he knows
what to do and how to do it. This may prompt him or not. When he is at
a work table, his chatter often slows down his work. When there is a
conflict with peers, I'll move someone's seat (so there's no blame -
it's not always one person's fault). However, Ben is usually involved.
I have thought about assigning a seat for him, but I don't want to
single him out that way, and I like the idea of kids working with
different peers. With all of this, I am always encouraging him!

I appreciate your reinforcement of positive behavior with Ben.
Pat

So while I appreciate the comments, it all seems rather negative. I also do not understand what is 'so bad' about giving the kid a little attention if she feels he needs it. I"m not saying to reinforce his negative "attention-seeking behaviors" as she put it. But, if she thinks he needs a little "love" why not? If she spent a few minutes(Maybe 2) early on, it would likely set a positive tone, and change his attitude. He thrives on positive reinforcement, and I am wondering if the negativity is adversely affecting his attitude. Kind of like once you are "the bad kid" it's very hard to get out of that generalization.


ANd, here is the response from his music teacher:

Ben's behavior has continued to be a problem in music class this past term. He is constantly being spoken to in class about his behaviors, and following directions. He sometimes seems to be in his own world, and not paying attention to me, and what is going on in class.
My strategies are to first try and ignore Ben's behaviors, as I assume they are sometimes for attention. When that doesn't work, and he continues to be a distraction I give him reminders about expected behaviors. I try to also point out the role models in the class for him and everyone to follow their behaviors. His peers also try to get him to do the right thing, as he distract them and their learning in class. They also inform me that Ben is not following directions, or doing the right thing. He has even had to sit in my "Take a Rest" chair, similar to a time out, where he will not get to participate in an activity. When this has happened I have pulled Ben aside and talked to him about why he had to sit out, and what it feels like not to participate with his classmates, and how to avoid "taking a rest." Mrs. Oliverio and I are in communication about Ben and his classmates behaviors in music. She is informed at the end of each class.

If you have any suggestions for strategies that work at home, I welcome the suggestions.

Thank you for your time,

Jessica

Again, I feel it's very negative. I understand as a teacher they must love and wish for a quiet class of extremely compliant, folded hands children, that get perfect 100 scores with everything the first time. It makes their job so much easier, but that is not reality. Every child is different, needs different ways of reaching them, and they all have strengths and personalities that need to be nurtured and not constantly beat down.

I am in the process of having him evaluated for learning disabilities as I am confident he has at least mild dyslexia. I have hired a tutor that specializes in dyslexic tutoring and it's going very well. I do think that some of the behaviors stem from the fact that for him, school is hard. He expends quite a bit of mental energy just keeping up, and I imagine it's frustrating when he keeps getting messages from most in his school that he just isn't good enough. Am I even making sense here? I haven't replied back to either specials teacher yet. I have a lot of respect for teachers. I love teachers ;) But, I do think my little guy is getting the shaft.

I don't have a problem with the way the teachers responded to you. They actually gave you a lot of information. Also, if your son is in a mainstream class, you can't expect the teacher to give your son extra one on one attention.

I think it is right that he is being evaluated for learning disabilities. It's a shame he hasn't been evaluated sooner. He may need to be in a special ed class that has less students or maybe just have a personal teacher aide...or he may just need some Occupational Therapy or counseling to help him deal with his triggers. Once he learns how to control himself he should have a more positive school experience.
 
A few thoughts here:

I have NEVER allowed my kids to use the excuse, "but so-and-so was doing it, too." I don't care what anyone, or everyone else was doing. YOU were doing something you were not supposed to. I don't even care if the teacher tells me anyone else was involved. I don't care, those kids are not my issue.

I work full time, I have FOUR kids. Teen to toddler, and this is quadruple the reason you better not act up in school. If I have to leave work because you acted like a fool in school, or use my vacation time to sit through conferences on behavior you darn well can control, I am going to come down on you like a cheetah on a three legged antelope. Just pick out your casket if they call your father.

I am sorry that you have you have had issues in school with your son. I don't think anyone has disgust toward having "that" kid in their class, but, as a parent with kids in pre-school to high school, the issue comes when another child's behavior starts to impact my child's education. When a child's behavior is so disruptive that the other kids can't learn, or the teacher can't teach because she has to spend her classroom time dealing with a "high needs" kid, or there are activities and experiences that the rest of the class can't have because of one kid's behavior (such as not being able to go on field trips because no chaperon will accept responsibility for that child) or my kid is so scared by the acting out that they don't want to go to school, then it becomes my problem. At that point I need to do what I need to do to ensure that my child, too, gets a well-rounded education. I am all for inclusion, and I believe that school is a little microcosm of society where all children learn to deal with all different people and things, but there needs to be a limit what is acceptable. I think, in general, what is best for the majority of the class needs to be considered.

I am not saying that this is your son, but if you read my previous post, I have a friend whose kid is "that" kid. The difference is is that she does nothing about it. Unfortunately, there are those parents out there. The ones who think that their kid's behavior in school is the school's problem. It's these kids who cause the biggest problems in school because the teacher's hands are tied in dealing with them.

Your post is so on point. I know my oldest had behavior issues in school and we all worked to together to solve them There were a multitude of factors that contributed but honestly, as a parent my job was to make sure that each contributing factor was addressed. and God help any one of my kids who got removed from class..............the end result would not have been pretty.

I agree that in the beginning parents and teachers all want to help "that kid". As time passes if the parent refuses to cooperate the patience of parents whose kids are having trouble concentrating while "that kid" has a free for all in the class ends and call tot eh school begin. The child I was discussing in an earlier post finally has been evaluated. His parents had refused to do anything that would get the boy "labeled" but by the end of 4th grade the school system had had enough. My DGD was in that class and she had been friendly with him since Kindergarten so when she would tell us how awful it was on any given day my DD was ready to join others in a plea to the school to do something. She never did call but was informed by others that so many parents absolutely refused to let their child in any class that the boy was in the school finally was able to work with the parents for the boy. He has a paraprofessional with him now so it is better but can you imagine if this had happened earlier? His early experiences in school would have been so much better, for him and for his classmates.
 
Mom? Is that you?:confused::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

I thought it was me, posting under a different name! Except I'm a SAHM, and mine are in K-11th grade.

Still, the basics remain. I have a child who has always struggled with school. It's not easy. I think I said up-thread, my last school meeting, I was told he'll make a great grad student. Well, that's all fine and good, but he's been giving me gray hairs, literally since the moment he was born, and it's been a struggle for 15 years. So, hearing that I have a "mere" 7 years to go isn't exactly comforting! But, what can I do? He's my child. Some children need more than others--more time, more effort, more patience. I don't love him any more or less than my others, but I do cry about him more. And second-guess myself. And get my ego bruised, quite a bit. It's been an experience.

I do hope the OP can find a plan that works for her child.
 


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