Need french horn help from music teachers.

My son started French Horn in 4th, and he had no problems learning how to play. We are fortunate, though, because our school district provides the more expensive instruments for students to borrow, so no rental or purchase costs for us.

He's also lucking out because when he starts college in the fall, his school provides the instruments for the marching band. He marches with a mellophone.
 
I guess we're lucky, that our schools provides the instruments. Ds12 plays the clarinet, and his band director told him to sign up for french horn lessons through the music department this summer (they provide the instrument). He also gets to keep his clarinet through the summer (you can pay to rent a new instrument through a music store). There is only one french horn in the middle school, and it's between ds, and a trumpet player, who gets it next year.

It's funny - when ds chose the clarinet, he thought it was a saxophone, but likes it a lot anyway. Dd10 signed up for the sax, which should be interesting, since she weighs all of 60 pounds (and ds 115 - but he was 120 when he started with his little clarinet in 5th grade).
 
Well! It can't be much of a band without a tuba! Right, Katy Belle? Just kidding. I play the tuba. I understand why the band doesn't supply the instruments, because this is elementary school. In the upper grades, the school does usually supply the large instruments.
Ranthony, I think that I'd rent for a short while to be sure he really will stick with it.
Oh, Katy Belle, what kind of tuba will your son be purchasing for college - perhaps a St. Pete? I have one of those and also a used Martin I bought for $500. The St. Pete cost $3000 new. One thing I've noticed about us tuba players is that we seem to keep playing them all life long. I'm 71.
 
One of my sons plays french horn. Look up Music and Arts - we rented from them until we bought one and it was around $22 a month for a good quality horn.

http://www.musicarts.com/

They have locations in Jersey and also ship.

My son changed instruments in 7th grade to the french horn and loved it and picked it up just fine. Played through senior year and continues to.

French horn is one of two that the district doesnt supply the other is trombone. Yep thats what the second son picked! :)
 

I'm getting a bit concerned about his ability to learn this instrument. I'll never tell him that, but I wish he would have made a different choice.
I guess I should rent. I do think the music store offers to apply the cost of the first 18 months of rental toward purchase.

Thanks everyone for your feedback.

As a band mom, I have to ask, how did he make this decision? Is it just what he picked or was he tested for the aptitude of playing the instrument.

When DS started band - they can't take band until they start middle school 6th grade - the school hosted a night where those kids that had signed up for band to come into the middle school and be tested to see what they would be playing. The did this in like May of the previous school year and the kids would be able to have their instrument over the summer to work on basic skills in the learners book. The music teacher was there, as well as several people from the music store that does the school rentals, to test the kids. They had several different instruments to try, as well as a large selection of new and used instruments that you could rent or rent to own.

DS didn't want anything to do with even trying the trombone. The trumpet, he couldn't get away from being Mr Puffy Cheeks, so that was out. Next he tried the clarinet. Right off the bat, he was getting good notes out of it. The guy from the music store showed him the fingering for the low G and asked DS to try and play that note. He could. The guy from the music store said DS should have no issues with learning to play the clairnet. DS didn't want to try anything else.

We talked to the people on rent to own, now vs used. We ended up doing the rent to own on a new horn. The price wasn't that much of a difference. We were paying $28.00 a month and we paid it off a bit early, so that helped reduce the interest we paid for doing a rent to own.

In 8th grade, he was able to switch over and play the school owned bass clarinet. In 9th, he played his clarinet in marching band, but played the high schools bass clarinet in concert band and pep band. And for jazz band, he got to learn how to play the tenor sax. He loved it so much, he is going to play that this year in marching band.
 
I started on horn in 6th grade (earliest school band is offered where I grew up). We were able to borrow one from a family friend that wasn't using one and then bought it after a year. I wanted to play trumpet like the cool kids, but the horn was free and my mother made me play horn to start. I quickly decided that being the only horn player was better than being one of 10 trumpet players. I was always first chair, haha. :)

But then I also found I was quite good at it, which helps. It paid for college - music degree - and then some. If I hadn't have screwed up my left shoulder not long after college I'd have kept trying to play professionally.

I would rent to start, perhaps. As has been said, maintenance on a horn isn't cheap, but it isn't outrageous compared to other instruments - they all have their own quirks.

While I can understand the teacher wanting him to start on a single horn, I would not stay on a single more than a year or two and would get into a double as soon as he thinks he might want to stick with it. It's like driving a manual vs. stick shift - it's a car, but very different. A double horn is superior in all ways, but a single is ok to start when young - it is lighter and only one set of fingerings to learn. High notes are more difficult on a single, however, especially for an inexperienced player.

The only brands you didn't mention in your initial list are Holton and Conn.

As for age, the best horns, to many, were made in the 1950s. All those movie soundtracks you hear with the soaring horn lines that are so amazing? Almost all of those studio guys in LA are playing on Conn 8D horns built in the 50s. You want one in good shape, of course. Finding one of those will also run you a minimum of $4-5,000, probably more. A high end concert horn from one of the best makers will be in the $8-10,000 range. I've seen them over $12,000.

If you have questions or need advice or opinions on a horn or playing feel free to PM me. Always happy to help a young player get started.

And while the horn is the most difficult of all instruments to play well, it is also the most special, the instrument of God. When movies want something really inspirational? Horns. When they want poigniant? Horns. Romantic? Horns. Angry? Horns. Jacks of all trades in the music world, we are. :thumbsup2


ETA: I would add that trumpet embrouchure is completely opposite of horn and at no time should he play both instruments if he is serious about either unless he is a freak of nature that can switch back and forth without impairing either (I've only known one or two who fit that description in my life). Trombone/euphonium/baritone, on the other hand, have similar embrouchures - though a much larger mouthpiece - and I never had trouble switching between those. I spent multiple years in late high school and college playing trombone or euphonium in 2nd band or brass ensembles to help fill out sections (play horn in band 1, trombone in band 2 - you just can't play the same instrument in both, etc).
 
As a band mom, I have to ask, how did he make this decision? Is it just what he picked or was he tested for the aptitude of playing the instrument.

I don't think there was any sort of testing. The kids were introduced to each instument and given a brief description of each one and then asked to make a selection. I'm sure when the music teacher said "the French Horn can be very diffiucult" DS took it as a challenge...he's that kind of kid. He's also the type of kid that doesn't have to do what everyone else is doing. The music teacher said he'll be the only FH in 4th grade next year.

I'm going to sit down with him tonight and run the numbers as a way of getting him to commit to practicing regularly at home.

Thanks again for all the insight and opinions everyone. Neither DH or myself are musical in any way (we both have regrets about this) so I really hope it turns into something he loves.
 
Thanks for the link to Music&Arts. Their 10 month price is $260...much cheaper and includes free shipping. I wonder what the music teacher would think if I went this route. I don't think there's an option for a maintenance plan though. I wonder how often they need to have work done to them if they're used under normal conditions (whatever that may be).

Would I be being a PITA to the teacher if I asked her about this option?
 
OK so I've read further and there is a repair plan for $40 for the 10 months and it also includes theft protection. This option would save me at least $100 for the year.
 
Thanks for the link to Music&Arts. Their 10 month price is $260...much cheaper and includes free shipping. I wonder what the music teacher would think if I went this route. I don't think there's an option for a maintenance plan though. I wonder how often they need to have work done to them if they're used under normal conditions (whatever that may be).

Would I be being a PITA to the teacher if I asked her about this option?

I don't see why the teacher would take issue with this at all. The school doesnt supply this instrument and you have to pay to rent or buy one. I used this company for both my boys for years. Did you look at the local location that are near you? Although they do ship we were able to find a location 10 minutes from us. I believe there were many listed for Jersey. This company was very pleasant to deal with. Also, inquire about paying it yearly instead of monthly I saved $ that way. More than once we exchanged instruments at no cost. Also they offered lessons on site and one of two were free. :thumbsup2
 
Did you look at the local location that are near you?

Unfortunately the closest location is about an hour a way. I'm out in the boonies near the Delaware Water Gap. That's my only reservation...I'd have to take the FH there for repairs. The music company the school uses will come and get it for repairs and leave a new one while it's being worked on; thus, no time lost without an instrument.
 
Thanks for the link to Music&Arts. Their 10 month price is $260...much cheaper and includes free shipping. I wonder what the music teacher would think if I went this route. I don't think there's an option for a maintenance plan though. I wonder how often they need to have work done to them if they're used under normal conditions (whatever that may be).

Would I be being a PITA to the teacher if I asked her about this option?

I would not worry about what the school thinks. My students can go to any music store they choose. So can you. Music and Arts generally supply good student models. We have one in a local music store here in Western New York.
 
RENT-from the company that the school uses. First, $400/year is CHEEP. We paid $50/month for our kids' saxophones. The rental will most likely be a rent to own program where you own the instrument or can use the money on your account toward an upgrade--which you will want to do. The repair program, especially for the horn, is a great deal, well worth paying for the rental. You will find that one repair could cost you more than the difference between buying that one on EBay and renting for a couple years.

Also, if you rent and your child doesn't like that instrument, you can probably exchange the rented horn for whatever other instrument they want.
 
OK so I've read further and there is a repair plan for $40 for the 10 months and it also includes theft protection. This option would save me at least $100 for the year.

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What about the other 2 months of the year? Do you have to return it in the summer??
 












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