Need advice-was this puppy fit for sale?

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My daughter bought a long hair chihuwawa (sp?) from a pet store (against my advice!). Anyway, she picked up the puppy Wednesday. It sneezed a few times while she was in the pet store (she commented on this to the clerk) and after she brought her home sneezed quite a bit that night and was scratching herself a lot. Fast forward to Thur. morning. The puppys mouth (on the outside) was red and swollen. DD took her to the vet that morning and vet said she had a cold and was allergic to something?! He put her on 3 different medications. My question - do you think this would have made the pupply unfit for sale? If so she can return her and get her money back ($700.00). She loves the puppy but realizes she can not afford to take on a pupply with a chronic allergy problem. Any advice?
 
:grouphug:
No, the puppy should not have even been bred. Puppies from a pet shop, due to most being bred in unsanitary, uncontrolled puppy mills - with no thought to responsible breeding,- have an extrodinarily high chance of chronic disease. Plus, they are usually more expensive than going through a reputable breeder.

If your daughter can get her money back - run quickly back to the pet shop. And then contact the national chihuahua society for references to reputable breeders who put the health and genetics of the dog above profits.

http://www.chihuahuaclubofamerica.com/

I am sorry you got a sick puppy, and it will be hard to return. But that is exactly what pet shops are banking on. They can sell sick puppies and few return them because their hearts are already invested.
 
I don't know what to say. I don't want to see her return the Puppy to a pet store, because they will have it destroyed if it is unsellable.

Owning a dog can be expensive. Even if she returns the puppy, she could just as easily end up with a dog that develops a chronic condition two years from now. Will she be able to afford that?


Get prepared because ..... this is just a tough topic that people have strong opinions about.
 
I'm sorry the puppy is sick :(.

If she's going to return the puppy, she should do it ASAP. First of all, the time in which she can make the return is limited. Secondly, she will become more attached to the animal the longer she keeps it.

I assume that you live in Florida since you are "2 Hours North of the Mouse". Florida has a "Pet Lemon Law" as follows:
http://www.bcrescue.org/puppyregs.html

(5) If, within 14 days following the sale by a pet dealer of an animal subject to this section, a licensed veterinarian of the consumer's choosing certifies that, at the time of the sale, the animal was unfit for purchase due to illness or disease, the presence of symptoms of a contagious or infectious disease, or the presence of internal or external parasites, excluding fleas and ticks; or if, within 1 year following the sale of an animal subject to this section, a licensed veterinarian of the consumer's choosing certifies such animal to be unfit for purchase due to a congenital or hereditary disorder which adversely affects the health of the animal; or if, within 1 year following the sale of an animal subject to this section, the breed, sex, or health of such animal is found to have been misrepresented to the consumer, the pet dealer shall afford the consumer the right to choose one of the following options:

(a) The right to return the animal and receive a refund of the purchase price, including the sales tax, and reimbursement for reasonable veterinary costs directly related to the veterinarian's examination and certification that the dog or cat is unfit for purchase pursuant to this section and directly related to necessary emergency services and treatment undertaken to relieve suffering;

(b) The right to return the animal and receive an exchange dog or cat of the consumer's choice of equivalent value, and reimbursement for reasonable veterinary costs directly related to the veterinarian's examination and certification that the dog or cat is unfit for purchase pursuant to this section and directly related to necessary emergency services and treatment undertaken to relieve suffering; or

(c) The right to retain the animal and receive reimbursement for reasonable veterinary costs for necessary services and treatment related to the attempt to cure or curing of the dog or cat.


Reimbursement for veterinary costs may not exceed the purchase price of the animal. The cost of veterinary services is reasonable if comparable to the cost of similar services rendered by other licensed veterinarians in proximity to the treating veterinarian and the services rendered are appropriate for the certification by the veterinarian.

(6) A consumer may sign a waiver relinquishing his right to return the dog or cat for congenital or hereditary disorders. In the case of such waiver, the consumer has 48 normal business hours, excluding weekends and holidays, in which to have the animal examined by a licensed veterinarian of the consumer's choosing. If the veterinarian certifies that, at the time of sale, the dog or cat was unfit for purchase due to a congenital or hereditary disorder, the pet dealer must afford the consumer the right to choose one of the following options:

(a) The right to return the animal and receive a refund of the purchase price, including sales tax, but excluding the veterinary costs related to the certification that the dog or cat is unfit; or

(b) The right to return the animal and receive an exchange dog or cat of the consumer's choice of equivalent value, but not a refund of the veterinary costs related to the certification that the dog or cat is unfit.
 

Robinb - thanks so much for the info and link! Important information to know!

Toby's friend - no, she probably can't afford a puppy. Definately not one that comes with health issues. Unfortunately she's 21 and she inevitably has to learn things the hard way! I've tried not to interfere in this - she can and should be using her own judgement - just tried to offer advice (unsuccessfully!).

Just trying to figure out what her legal options are at this point. I know she has to contact the pet store within 2 days after the vet visit.
 
:grouphug: Just a hug for your daughter. This will be a tough decision. We adopted a rescue puppy(Standard poodle) 5yrs ago. Within a hours we realized that he was coughing & sneezing. Rather than returning the pup, we decided to wait it out, with the help of our vet. :sick: What started as a minor infection developed quickly into bacterial pneumonia with a fever of 106, requiring two weeks in intensive care and several more weeks of recovery. We spent over $2500 to save this dog. He has a lot of lung scarring from this episode and we have to limit his excitement due to low stamina, and ultimately it will probably shorten his life. Not to mention that he also has seizures. :rolleyes:

Now I'm not saying we don't love him to pieces. But we really didn't have the money to drop like that. We were so attached by the time things got bad that the thought of returning him or putting him down was out of the question and once we were in it, we couldn't just stop treatment. So we have the most expensive rescue pooch on the block. For what we ultimately paid for this dog we could have had 3 registered Poodles with no health problems.
 
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Before she takes the dog back (which they will probably put it down if it's returned) she should at least verify this is a chronic allergy issue that will require medication. Both of my beagles have allergies and are on nothing more than the occasional benadryl.
 
She has a follow up visit on Monday so she won't do anything until then. The pet store has the 2 day rule but thanks to Robinb I now know she has 14 days. She's waiting for a call from the manager now to made sure they will pay the vet bill on Monday (they paid for the first vet bill and the meds). It seems like they are going to work with her.
 
Toby'sFriend said:
I don't know what to say. I don't want to see her return the Puppy to a pet store, because they will have it destroyed if it is unsellable.

Then, maybe if she does return it, Chihuahua rescue can be notified of it first. I know of Golden rescues that have gone to pet stores and outright offered to take the dogs from them, if for whatever reason they were unable to be sold.

Lesson to be learned - never buy from a pet store. It makes me sick to go into those stores and luckily a lot of them here in Houston are going under. There is one in my local mall and I can't tell you how many puppies I see in there with green, runny noses and diarrhea. :sad2:
 
Nana Annie said:
:grouphug:
No, the puppy should not have even been bred. Puppies from a pet shop, due to most being bred in unsanitary, uncontrolled puppy mills - with no thought to responsible breeding,- have an extrodinarily high chance of chronic disease. Plus, they are usually more expensive than going through a reputable breeder.

If your daughter can get her money back - run quickly back to the pet shop. And then contact the national chihuahua society for references to reputable breeders who put the health and genetics of the dog above profits.

http://www.chihuahuaclubofamerica.com/

I am sorry you got a sick puppy, and it will be hard to return. But that is exactly what pet shops are banking on. They can sell sick puppies and few return them because their hearts are already invested.


I heard all this too, that's why I tried to warn her. This pet store has a good reputation and supposedly only buys these dogs from one breeder who only ha s one litter a year. To my DD's credit she has researched many many breeders in FL and GA and has read probably 10 books on chihuahuas (thanks for the spelling, that's a tricky word). Hopefully it will work out for her!
 
What a tough situation - please make sure it is serious before you return the dog.

My sister worked in a mall, and of course there was a pet store there. They had a tiny chihuahua that they couldn't sell because one of his eyes was smaller than the other. He was healthy otherwise.

They told my sister he would be put down if they couldn't find someone to take him. They gave him to her for free and she gave him to my parents. I can't tell you the joy he brought to their lives, and he is still here, 13 1/2 years later!

I hope you have a happy ending :wizard:
 
Then, maybe if she does return it, Chihuahua rescue can be notified of it first. I know of Golden rescues that have gone to pet stores and outright offered to take the dogs from them, if for whatever reason they were unable to be sold.

That is very true.

I agree that it is likely the dog has some sort of genetic problem leading to the allergies. I just hate to think of him being destroyed so young. If he winds up in a Rescue as a puppy, they will very likely be able to find a placement for him in a home that can take care of the allergy issues.
 
This is what happens when you buy from a puppy mill. :guilty:

Frankly I think she has a responsibility to the pet. They're living creatures, not disposable accesories. If she had $700 for a puppy, she can dig up the money to care for it properly.
 
Toby'sFriend said:
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Owning a dog can be expensive. Even if she returns the puppy, she could just as easily end up with a dog that develops a chronic condition two years from now. Will she be able to afford that?


Get prepared because ..... this is just a tough topic that people have strong opinions about.

2nd this - nothing is perfect. I cant return my kids - they both have allergies.

I understand a child isnt a pet - but whether or not it's fit for sale? Anything could happen with any animal down the road....

:confused3
 
I see your view, however, legally the Pet Store (and I don't know that you can say it's a puppy mill - no evidence of that) has more of a responsibility in insuring that they don't sell a sick animal.
 
CathrynRose said:
2nd this - nothing is perfect. I cant return my kids - they both have allergies.

I understand a child isnt a pet - but whether or not it's fit for sale? Anything could happen with any animal down the road....

:confused3

I understand that, but there are laws that protect people who buy animals that turn out to be sick at the time of purchase. If you bought a horse and it died an hour later - who is responsible for that?

By "fit for sale" I mean should the puppy have been offered up for sale at all, when it was sick?
 
minkydog said:
:grouphug: Just a hug for your daughter. This will be a tough decision. We adopted a rescue puppy(Standard poodle) 5yrs ago. Within a hours we realized that he was coughing & sneezing. Rather than returning the pup, we decided to wait it out, with the help of our vet. :sick: What started as a minor infection developed quickly into bacterial pneumonia with a fever of 106, requiring two weeks in intensive care and several more weeks of recovery. We spent over $2500 to save this dog. He has a lot of lung scarring from this episode and we have to limit his excitement due to low stamina, and ultimately it will probably shorten his life. Not to mention that he also has seizures. :rolleyes:

Now I'm not saying we don't love him to pieces. But we really didn't have the money to drop like that. We were so attached by the time things got bad that the thought of returning him or putting him down was out of the question and once we were in it, we couldn't just stop treatment. So we have the most expensive rescue pooch on the block. For what we ultimately paid for this dog we could have had 3 registered Poodles with no health problems.


My parents also had this happen with a dog they also adopted. However, they are thankful that they were able to save the dog, as I am sure you are as well. They are glad that she is no longer in the "pound" and has a good and loving home.

Kelly
 
nowellsl said:
I understand that, but there are laws that protect people who buy animals that turn out to be sick at the time of purchase. If you bought a horse and it died an hour later - who is responsible for that?

By "fit for sale" I mean should the puppy have been offered up for sale at all, when it was sick?

Yeah, but I dont know if allergies, falls into "sick" - does it?

The puppy doesnt have some massive infections, or something along those lines.... is "allergies" then considered a sickness?

Im not sure....
 
nowellsl said:
She has a follow up visit on Monday so she won't do anything until then. The pet store has the 2 day rule but thanks to Robinb I now know she has 14 days. She's waiting for a call from the manager now to made sure they will pay the vet bill on Monday (they paid for the first vet bill and the meds). It seems like they are going to work with her.

Be careful! She may have waived her rights to the 14 day rule when she signed the purchase agreement.
 

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