NBC should be ashamed

[lovemygoofy]

If I could I would personally shake that Marine's hand for possibly saving my dh life over there. If someone is shooting at you they are a threat and appropriate action should be taken to save you and your fellow soldiers. I don't care if he shot him once, four or fired his clip into the guys on the ground because that's one less terriorist I have to worry about trying to kill my husband who is trying he damndest to put that country back together. This Marine or the other 140k soliders over there are not barbarians, they are heroes and freedom fighters. They follow the Geneva Convictions and do everything they can to show the Iraqis how to live but when people are shooting grenades and everything else at them from a place that is considered holy or a school for children, I would say ALL BETS ARE OFF!! No one here should be judging these shoulders until you have spent a month or two in their nasty boots being shot at and going trough rigged traps.

Thank you,
Tina

 

[BuckNaked]

ANd again, even if his body was rigged, what difference does it make whether he was alive or dead? When he gets moved it's likely the device will go off. He's getting moved one way or the other.

Because when the person is dead, they will bring in a specialized team that would be better able to move the body without setting off the explosives. That's quite different than the guy blowing himself up as his last conscious act and taking the Marines with him.

It is appalling to me that apparently there are quite a few people who have no regard for human life.

I certainly have regard for human life, but I don't have the same regard for a terrorist's life as I do for a US Marine's life.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by mrsltg

Are you kidding me? "Whose side are you on anyway?" I am on the side of humanity. I am on the side of "don't execute people in my name." It is appalling to me that apparently there are quite a few people who have no regard for human life. Clearly you do not understand the war on terror. The point is not to drag ourselves down to their level - that would be easy. The point is to maintain our way of life while controlling a threat.

Erin

We've been using that strategy. It's lead to the death of more than a 1000 of our troops and the beheadings of innocent citizens.

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by lovemygoofy
If I could I would personally shake that Marine's hand for possibly saving my dh life over there. If someone is shooting at you they are a threat and appropriate action should be taken to save you and your fellow soldiers. I don't care if he shot him once, four or fired his clip into the guys on the ground because that's one less terriorist I have to worry about trying to kill my husband who is trying he damndest to put that country back together. This Marine or the other 140k soliders over there are not barbarians, they are heroes and freedom fighters. They follow the Geneva Convictions and do everything they can to show the Iraqis how to live but when people are shooting grenades and everything else at them from a place that is considered holy or a school for children, I would say ALL BETS ARE OFF!! No one here should be judging these shoulders until you have spent a month or two in their nasty boots being shot at and going trough rigged traps.

Thank you,
Tina

AMEN TO THAT!!!

 

[mrsltg]

Who plays by rules when killing is involved? What rule sheet do they pass out before the fighting begins? Do each side get copies?

The USA does. Yes, they do get a "rule book". They are taught the rules of engagement. You are not allowed to kill for the sake of killing.

Erin

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by mrsltg
The USA does. Yes, they do get a "rule book". They are taught the rules of engagement. You are not allowed to kill for the sake of killing.

Erin

I agree, but of course no one knows whether or not that's what happened.

 

[mrsltg]

. I don't care if he shot him once, four or fired his clip into the guys on the ground because that's one less terriorist I have to worry about trying to kill my husband who is trying he damndest to put that country back together.

Fortunately it is not allowed. Our troops are not allowed to indiscriminately kill people. Nor should they be.

Erin

 

[mrsltg]

I agree, but of course no one knows whether or not that's what happened.

Very true. But let's not drape him in the flag and call him a hero just yet, either. I'd prefer to wait and find out what the investigation reveals.

Erin

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

Originally posted by mrsltg
Fortunately it is not allowed. Our troops are not allowed to indiscriminately kill people. Nor should they be.

Erin

Just curious. Do you have any family in the military over in Iraq? I'm betting that if you did you would think a little differently! I know you would. Thats the difference in typing what we think should be done and actually doing it. Spend a day In Iraq. Then report back!

 

[mrsltg]

Just curious, do you have any family in the military over in Iraq? i'm betting that if you did you would think a little differently! I know you would. Thats the difference in typing what we think should be done and actually doing it. Spend a day In Iraq. Then report back!

Actually, up until 2 years ago my brother was Special Forces. He was one of the rangers in Somalia - of Black Hawk Down fame. My father was in VietNam for two tours - both voluntary - one as a door gunner. Both feel that the action of this Marine is suspicious. My DH is a city cop. He, too, feels that this Marine needs to be investigated. He, too, cannot just kill people who may or may not be a threat to him. The thing they all have in common is the experience to say, "Something is not right here."

I'm betting that I wouldn't turn into a barbarian. I guess my values are a little stronger than yours.

Erin

 

[poohandwendy]

I'd prefer to wait and find out what the investigation reveals.

Which brings us back to the very beginning of this thread. NBC did not show this tape after the investigation, they threw it out there for shock value and it makes great propaganda tool for our enemy. Let me know the result of the investigation and if it is found that the soldier was in the wrong, then the tape would be appropriate. Until then, it is just shock TV without all of the facts revealed. That is unnecessary and irresponsible. JMHO.

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by mrsltg
Very true. But let's not drape him in the flag and call him a hero just yet, either. I'd prefer to wait and find out what the investigation reveals.

Erin

No, lets first declare him a war criminal. I haven't exactly gotton the impression that you actually prefer to wait and find out what the investigation reveals.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by mrsltg
Very true. But let's not drape him in the flag and call him a hero just yet, either. I'd prefer to wait and find out what the investigation reveals.

Erin

I think we all agree on that. I seems you are the one that wants to rush to judgement based solely on what you saw on TV.

 

[lovemygoofy]

I think using the word "barbarian" is wrong when describing the Marine or any other soldier. Please think about who you are going to offend or hurt when using that word talking about troops who are defending your freedom to call them names.


Tina

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
No, lets first declare him a war criminal. I haven't exactly gotton the impression that you actually prefer to wait and find out what the investigation reveals.

Where would you get that idea? She's said "if". And she's saying things don't look right and need to be looked into. Thank goodness some people are

 

[WeluvDisney2]

Originally posted by Pugdog007
Are they on our side or not? WTH showing the videotape of the marine killing the terrorist that he thought was still breathing. And of course now they're showing it on Al Jazzera. The guy had blood pouring from his head like a geyser. He was not going to live and the marine put him out of his misery.

Shoot first, ask questions later.

The military needs to kick the embedded reporters out of there. They're putting our soldiers in danger.

I agree, it does not need to be shown on televison.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by auntpolly
Where would you get that idea? She's said "if". And she's saying things don't look right and need to be looked into. Thank goodness some people are

She said "if" after numerous posts of basically accusing him of being a war criminal and judging him based SOLEY on what she saw on television.

 

[poohandwendy]

Originally posted by dmadman43
She said "if" after numerous posts of basically accusing him of being a war criminal and judging him based SOLEY on what she saw on television.

And basically ignored attempts to point out that there is more than one way for a wounded man to set a trap that could be VERY dangerous to our soldiers (including, but not limited to the man who shot him)...possibly the most relevant issue in this case.

 

[LoraJ]

I find it funny that some of the same people defending the marine blasted Kerry for doing basically the same thing.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by dmadman43
She said "if" after numerous posts of basically accusing him of being a war criminal and judging him based SOLEY on what she saw on television.

Now, I'm going to need you to show me where she "basically accused him of being a war criminal".

She's raising questions that should be asked - this <i>is</i> still the USA and we have a few rights left; right?