"Naked" X-Ray Scans At The Airport.. Your Thoughts?

[declansdad]

yeah, it must be a coincidence , like beanie babies......

Point it out in your article.

 

[shrubber]

The dictionary definition of empirical evidence is evidence relating to or based on experience or observation. This type of evidence is necessary for a theory to be confirmed.

No where in your article has anything been observed or confirmed.

Well, show me any evidence or statistic on crime that is causal.
It is all empirical. It it all based on observation.
In 2009 there were less people in prison ( usually crime goes up )
We were in a deep recession ( almost always crime goes up )
Firearm sales hit all time highs and this had no effect? I disagree.

 

[declansdad]

Well, show me any evidence or statistic on crime that is causal.
It is all empirical. It it all based on observation.
In 2009 there were less people in prison ( usually crime goes up )
We were in a deep recession ( almost always crime goes up )
Firearm sales hit all time highs and this had no effect? I disagree.

If you are going to use an article to back your claim, it should prove your point. In your case, it couldn't. To then claim that it is all empirical evidence, at least understand what the term means.

 

[sbell111]

That none of them attacked american airliners? Am I right ?

nope.

 

[shrubber]

nope.

How many of them did praytell?

 

[sbell111]

How many of them did praytell?

At least two of them were involved in plots to attack US airliners. The argument could be made that six of them were indirectly involved in plots to attack US airliners.

Regardless, they are all terrorists that tried to kill Americans on US soil and none of them have traditional Muslim names.

 

[shrubber]

If you are going to use an article to back your claim, it should prove your point. In your case, it couldn't. To then claim that it is all empirical evidence, at least understand what the term means.

I understand, I don't think you do?

 

[shrubber]

At least two of them were involved in plots to attack US airliners. The argument could be made that six of them were indirectly involved in plots to attack US airliners.

Regardless, they are all terrorists that tried to kill Americans on US soil and none of them have traditional Muslim names.

"That none of them attacked american airliners? Am I right ? "
That's what I said, and I'm wrong?

 

[sbell111]

I understand, I don't think you do?

Then you also understand that you haven't shown a link between gun ownership and reduced crime rates.

A short while ago, there was a thread about gun ownership and someone presented an article that explained that areas of a city that have the highest degree of gun ownership also had the greatest level of crime. The poster tried to make the argument that criminals are therefore targeting gun owners. His conclusion was no more correct than yours.

 

[sbell111]

"That none of them attacked american airliners? Am I right ? "
That's what I said, and I'm wrong?

I getcha. Because they weren't successful, they didn't attack. Just like Richard Reid didn't actually attack an airliner.

Righto Captain.

 

[shrubber]

Then you also understand that you haven't shown a link between gun ownership and reduced crime rates.

A short while ago, there was a thread about gun ownership and someone presented an article that explained that areas of a city that have the highest degree of gun ownership also had the greatest level of crime. The poster tried to make the argument that criminals are therefore targeting gun owners. His conclusion was no more correct than yours.

So I could say there were 100 more policeman on the street and crime went down, and that would be ok?
But I cannot say there are 100 more legal gun owners on the street and crime went down, that's just a coincidence?

 

[shrubber]

I getcha. Because they weren't successful, they didn't attack. Just like Richard Reid didn't actually attack an airliner.

Righto Captain.

Thank you for admitting I was right and you were wrong so charmingly

And which two out of that entire list were they by the way?

 

[maddmike]

There was a Michigan couple on flight 253 who have been telling their very interesting story. If it is really true then the terrorist would have probably skipped the x-ray scans as he was allowed to board the plane without a passport in the first place. Read the article http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/report_fbi_questions_haskell_f.html or search his name on yahoo. It is some interesting reading.

 

[shrubber]

I getcha. Because they weren't successful, they didn't attack. Just like Richard Reid didn't actually attack an airliner.

Righto Captain.

And Richard Reid aka Abdul Raheem DID attack an american airline, unlike anyone on that list you posted.

 

[FireDancer]

"That none of them attacked american airliners? Am I right ? "
That's what I said, and I'm wrong?

It doesn't really matter who attacked us in the past. What matters is who wants to attack us in the future. That is the whole point of airport security. The names in the post you are referring to plotted attacks, including airline attacks, so it is not only people with Muslim names who want to harm us or our government. McVeigh was a terrorist and just because he didn't use an airline to do it doesn't mean a like minded American terrorist wouldn't.

I also see how you conveniently didn't bother to comment on the plain old white American, Samuel Joseph Byck,that stormed onto a plane in 1974. Sure, that style of attack wouldn't work now but that doesn't matter. What matters is that you can't base future attacks on the name of a subset of past attackers. You have to profile the behavior not the appearance.

 

[FireDancer]

And Richard Reid aka Abdul Raheem DID attack an american airline, unlike anyone on that list you posted.

The Abdul Raheem part doesn't matter. How many times does that have to be said for you to understand it? The name on his travel documents was Richard Reid and no one is going to be able to determine any past names based on the documents that go with you when you travel. All the married women that travel do so under their current name and not maiden names (unless they didn't change them of course).

That sentence should be "And Richard Reid DID attack and American airline...FULL STOP".

 

[shrubber]

It doesn't really matter who attacked us in the past. What matters is who wants to attack us in the future. That is the whole point of airport security. The names in the post you are referring to plotted attacks, including airline attacks, so it is not only people with Muslim names who want to harm us or our government. McVeigh was a terrorist and just because he didn't use an airline to do it doesn't mean a like minded American terrorist wouldn't.

I also see how you conveniently didn't bother to comment on the plain old white American, Samuel Joseph Byck,that stormed onto a plane in 1974. Sure, that style of attack wouldn't work now but that doesn't matter. What matters is that you can't base future attacks on the name of a subset of past attackers. You have to profile the behavior not the appearance.

Really? I didn't comment on Samuel Joseph Byck because he did not appear on that list. After a quick google, he was trying to hijack a plane to kill Nixon? Hardly a terrorist.
We are trying to prevent terrorist attacks on our airlines and you say " It doesn't really matter who attacked us in the past" Kind of naive.
And who ever mentioned anything about appearance? It sure was not me.

 

[shrubber]

The Abdul Raheem part doesn't matter.".

Oh , now it doesn't matter. Got it.

 

[FireDancer]

Thank you for admitting I was right and you were wrong so charmingly

You weren't right, just like I proved you want to profile based on name and you twisted my proof into some sort of apology.

The people in the list all plotted against us. It doesn't matter if they chose to use an airline of not, or if they succeeded or not. Why can you not get that simple little fact into your head? What matters is that they fit the profile of someone who would attack us (because they tried) yet they don't neatly fit into your "profile people with Muslim names more closely" little narrow minded ideology.

 

[FireDancer]

Really? I didn't comment on Samuel Joseph Byck because he did not appear on that list. After a quick google, he was trying to hijack a plane to kill Nixon? Hardly a terrorist.
We are trying to prevent terrorist attacks on our airlines and you say " It doesn't really matter who attacked us in the past" Kind of naive.
And who ever mentioned anything about appearance? It sure was not me.

No, we are trying to keep anyone from hijacking or otherwise destroying a plane. Whether it is for religious reasons, political reasons, or to kill an elected official. It is the next attack we need to stop and not the last one. Even if every attack in the past was perpetrated by someone with a hyphenated name it doesn't mean the next one would be.

Oh , now it doesn't matter. Got it.

It never mattered. When you travel a past name isn't going to get caught at the airport security line.