"Naked" X-Ray Scans At The Airport.. Your Thoughts?

[kaytieeldr]

Bosh. You are just arguing for argument's sake. If you don't think that being subject to strip searches after entering a secured area is not under the 'rights' umbrella, well.....

Where, pray tell, are these strip searches being conducted?

As time goes by, your right to purchase a ticket from a private corporation and use their product (i.e., flying) is being slowly curtailed.

Wrong. I don't have a legally protected "right" to passage on an airplane, ergo, no right is being curtailed.

 

[Missy1961]

Here's way profiling won't work: a blonde blue eyed convert to Muslim who doesn't change his/her name on his/her passport, driver's license.

 

[FireDancer]

Here's way profiling won't work: a blonde blue eyed convert to Muslim who doesn't change his/her name on his/her passport, driver's license.

No, this is why racial profiling won't work or profiling based on name or country of origin. If behavior analysts are in every airport viewing passengers not only at security but at all the gates they can profile behavior instead of the superficial things I mentioned above. Of course that still won't stop all attempts but it will stop the maximum amount we can if it is used in conjunction with all available technology.

 

[testifyoncruises]

Only a racist equates a statement of profiling to racial profiling when race was never brought into it.

 

[eliza61]

You state your case very well Solicitor; however, I believe the courts would decide that this interference does not constitute undue interference in the airlines right to carry on their business.

And the airlines are not about to fuss. First, I doubt this is going to have much of an impact on their business. IMO, most flyers care about the bottom line, the cost of flying. If they can still get a $49 flight to disney, they'll put up with being scanned.

Second, the airlines will use this to absolve themselves from any liability should some thing happen on their flights. Believe me, the airlines will agree to a bargain with the devil himself if it gets them out of litigation.

Has any airline coming out of Denmark or any other city where they have been in use seen a market decrease in business related to the use of scanners?

Please the airlines are not be unduly impeded in any fashion by the feds. Now they may make a case against the oil companies....

 

[TinklednPants]

How can these scanners NOT be seen as public strip searches? That's what they do? Plus, I never said that THIS was tied to child porn, I was mentioning it in relation to unwarranted wire and internet tapping. All excuses used by governments to ensure that your privacy is being removed.

And what about the rest of us, who don't live in the US but still have to go through these stupid security circuses? The way to stop terrorism is through better national security intelligence, not more gadgets.

Have you actually ever seen one of these scans?
Because if you can equate one of these scans to a strip search you must also cover your eyes when you walk past the skeletons at the museum.

The image looks closer to the aliens in the movie cocoon than that of a naked human.

 

[MosMom]

Well, to be fair they DID have to blur out genitals on The Today Show this morning to show a demonstration. It kind of creeps me out to know that someone will be looking at my kids genitals when they are scanned. Now, you can say these are professionals but if these are the same "professionals" that currently work airport security...I'm not quite convinced of proper procedure being used.

 

[FireDancer]

Only a racist equates a statement of profiling to racial profiling when race was never brought into it.

Blond hair blue eyes implies race. It implies that a non Muslim can bring down a plane, which is true. You also obviously missed the previous posts (not by the quoted poster in my reply) in which it was claimed that only people with Arabic Muslim names can be terrorists. You also missed the part where I called using race superficial. An educated person can speak about race without it descending into racism.

Before making blanket statements read the entire thread.

 

[TinklednPants]

Only a racist equates a statement of profiling to racial profiling when race was never brought into it.

You have got to be kidding me. You read FD's post and what you came out of it with was that he is a racist?
That would be hysterical if it weren't so scary.

 

[TinklednPants]

Well, to be fair they DID have to blur out genitals on The Today Show this morning to show a demonstration. It kind of creeps me out to know that someone will be looking at my kids genitals when they are scanned. Now, you can say these are professionals but if these are the same "professionals" that currently work airport security...I'm not quite convinced of proper procedure being used.

You're really concerned about someone seeing a picture that looks like this?
When the person viewing it is isolated and has no idea who it belongs to?

www.livescience.com/images/090401-scan-image-02.jpg

 

[shrubber]

Blond hair blue eyes implies race. It implies that a non Muslim can bring down a plane, which is true. You also obviously missed the previous posts (not by the quoted poster in my reply) in which it was claimed that only people with Arabic Muslim names can be terrorists. You also missed the part where I called using race superficial. An educated person can speak about race without it descending into racism.

Before making blanket statements read the entire thread.

I read the entire thread....can you show me where someone said
"that only people with Arabic Muslim names can be terrorists"???????

 

[eliza61]

You're really concerned about someone seeing a picture that looks like this?
When the person viewing it is isolated and has no idea who it belongs to?

www.livescience.com/images/090401-scan-image-02.jpg

I think Jennifer Lopez showed more on national TV, New years Eve
with her jumpsuit.

 

[testifyoncruises]

Before making blanket statements read the entire thread.

Yes please read what I responded to and what I wrote. I said profiling is the only answer. Another poster jumped to racial profiling and brought up eye and hair color.

I only said PROFILING and left race out of it. The person who jumps to racial profiling from a statement of profiling only I believe is the true racist.

 

[TinklednPants]

I think Jennifer Lopez showed more on national TV, New years Eve
with her jumpsuit.

Exactly...And you KNEW it was JLo.

With this it's like an anonymous robot or something.

 

[shrubber]

Do I REALLY have to explain this? Really? Strip searching everyone in public isn't in your opinion violating your rights? I guess you think it's okay to wire tap your phone or monitor your internet usage without a warrant, all in the name of terrorism. Or child pornography, or some other made up reason just to take another level of privacy away from you.

If carrying guns was the answer, the US would be a much safer place than here in Canada. Just yesterday there was another guy that went postal in St Louis. Rarely does it happen here.

Actually, the tougher guns laws in Canada have not curtailed viloent crime. It has in fact risen.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/July2007/05/c3822.html

Whereas here in the States, the recent large increase in legal firearms purchases has reduced crime dramatically.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2684-Law-Enforcement-Examiner~y2009m12d22-FBI-Gun-sales-up-murders-down

So indeed, a well armed citizenry deters crime, why not carry that over to aircraft?

 

[declansdad]

Actually, the tougher guns laws in Canada have not curtailed viloent crime. It has in fact risen.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/July2007/05/c3822.html

Whereas here in the States, the recent large increase in legal firearms purchases has reduced crime dramatically.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2684-Law-Enforcement-Examiner~y2009m12d22-FBI-Gun-sales-up-murders-down

So indeed, a well armed citizenry deters crime, why not carry that over to aircraft?

In Canada we had roughly 650 murders this past year. The US had over 16000. You are roughly 10 times our sizes in population, yet have a significantly higher rate. Your idea of a well armed citizenry deterring crime doesn't hold water.

 

[shrubber]

In Canada we had roughly 650 murders this past year. The US had over 16000. You are roughly 10 times our sizes in population, yet have a significantly higher rate. Your idea of a well armed citizenry deterring crime doesn't hold water.

My comment was in reply to gun laws affecting crime rates, not the number of murders. The argument is valid. Canada enacts stricter gun laws...the crime rate goes up. US buys/sells more guns ....crime rate goes down.
Those are facts.

 

[FireDancer]

I read the entire thread....can you show me where someone said
"that only people with Arabic Muslim names can be terrorists"???????

You were the one that wanted to screen based on people with Arabic Muslim names and not "Joe Smith". To say the quotes below, and many more like them, aren't implying this would be disingenuous.

Exhibit A:

You are correct. We could go along way to help ourselves by carefully screening people with names like Nidal Malik Hasan before they get on planes.

Screening based on name.

Exhibit B:

We are indeed dealing with one type of terrrorist now, thank goodness

What "type" are you talking about? People with the names like:

Exhibit C:

This is the list of people charged in the July 21rst attacks in London

http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4732361.stm

Hussain Osman
Ibrahim Muktar Said
Ramzi Mohamed
Yassin Hassan Omar
Manfo Kwaku Asiedu
Adel Yahya
Siraj Yassin Abdullah Ali
Wharbi Mohammed
Asias Girma
Ismael Abdurahman
Shadi Sami Abdel Gadir
Omar Nagmeloin Almagboul
Abdul Sharif
Mohamed Kabashi
Yeshiemebet Girma
Mulumebet Girma and
Muhedin Ali
Of course I am not sure that there isn't a Joe Smith out there, but profiling seems like it might be a good idea, no?

 

[shrubber]

I done gotta tell ya that I happens to agree these two fine, interlectual-like men. They the real Americans here. They understand the second amendment. It guarantees my rights to protect myself with deadly force against any muslim that I fear. Just go read the U.S. constipation to see for yourself. All you yuppie Americans with your sissy ideas 'bout security and such. You done plum wrong on the issue. We is at war with them there muslim extremistites. We know who the enemy done is. Everybody needs to plum drop this political correctness mumble jumble and arm up for your next flight. I ain't no bettin' man, but I's be willing to bet that we all's be safer if every patriotic American flied fully armed. We don't need no nekkid xray machine. You done need me and my baby brother Jeb...

Wouldn't you feel safer if we were next to your loved ones the next time you traveled?

I would ask you once again to refrain from personal attacks.

 

[sbell111]

Know anything about the manufacture of PETN? AMazing how that got the hands of a Islamic terrorist in Yemen. Again, do not underestimate these Islamic terrorists resolve.

That is an apples to oranges comparison. Any skilled chemist can produce PETN. Any skilled engineer could not build the body scanners used in airports.

Actually it has been widely reported that these feel good devices would have been completely ineffective.

The reports that I have seen that stated that they could not do so were speculative, at best. Those that say that the scanners probably would image the bombs were made by professionals who have direct knowledge of the machines.

The systems in place are not working because they do not go to the root of the problem. Stopping these Islamic terrorists from even entering the airport is the only way. Profiling works.

No profiling suggested in this thread would keep terrorists out of airports. In fact, I can't think of a single thing that could keep terrorists out of airports. The trick is not allowing them to get beyond the security checkpoint to the planes.

Actually, the tougher guns laws in Canada have not curtailed viloent crime. It has in fact risen.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/July2007/05/c3822.html

Whereas here in the States, the recent large increase in legal firearms purchases has reduced crime dramatically.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2684-Law-Enforcement-Examiner~y2009m12d22-FBI-Gun-sales-up-murders-down

So indeed, a well armed citizenry deters crime, why not carry that over to aircraft?

You are assuming causality where it hasn't been proven.