My Wish for PSU....

[petchie]

I have a request for a clarification (and this is not meant to be disrespectful as I am curious...)

When did "We are ____" originate? Is this a newer mantra or a long standing tradition.

The reason I ask is because it reminds me of Marshall University and their tragedy and their Mantra to recover their tragically destroyed football program.

http://sportsfountainhead.blogspot.com/2009/02/origins-of-we-are-penn-state.html

Tradition since 1947

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

http://sportsfountainhead.blogspot.com/2009/02/origins-of-we-are-penn-state.html

Tradition since 1947

Thank you.

(Thank you for the polite responses despite my posting history on this subject. )

 

[petchie]

Thank you.

(Thank you for the polite responses despite my posting history on this subject. )

I am glad you asked. I never knew that story and find it very uplifting

 

[disneyluv4]

Yea Huskers!!!!!!!!

 

[sharonmickey]

To the OP - THANK YOU!!!

Sandusky committed horrible crimes. Unfortunately, the press has made this whole mess about Penn State instead of the criminal. The media is not portraying all the wonderful things that are happening at Penn State recently. This has been a horrible week for all students at Penn State. They can not read a newspaper, watch television, or go online without being vilified. News media attack them walking around campus wanting quotes; then only air the "negative" comments. This story is still unfolding and more information will come out. Until then, please do not judge - especially the current students who had nothing to do with what took place.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

To the OP - THANK YOU!!!

Sandusky committed horrible crimes. Unfortunately, the press has made this whole mess about Penn State instead of the criminal. The media is not portraying all the wonderful things that are happening at Penn State recently. This has been a horrible week for all students at Penn State. They can not read a newspaper, watch television, or go online without being vilified. News media attack them walking around campus wanting quotes; then only air the "negative" comments. This story is still unfolding and more information will come out. Until then, please do not judge - especially the current students who had nothing to do with what took place.

Well, they kind of have the right to do so.

In the end, what goes on with an organization is entirely the responsibility of the organization. In our society, we don't have the luxury of separating the parts from the whole.

Those who side with Joe are "saving" him by stating University policies. They are stating that he merely followed protocol and did his job. So, in essence--the protocol and thus the university is part of the problem.

But when I use the word University, I am referring to the operational aspects of the entity--not some kid who didn't bother to buy season tickets this year or the cheerleader (literal) on the sidelines of the game.

The organization hires their staff, they are responsible for anything that happens by the staff or as a result of that staff.

 

[ugadog99]

To the OP - THANK YOU!!!

Sandusky committed horrible crimes. Unfortunately, the press has made this whole mess about Penn State instead of the criminal. The media is not portraying all the wonderful things that are happening at Penn State recently. This has been a horrible week for all students at Penn State. They can not read a newspaper, watch television, or go online without being vilified. News media attack them walking around campus wanting quotes; then only air the "negative" comments. This story is still unfolding and more information will come out. Until then, please do not judge - especially the current students who had nothing to do with what took place.

You're welcome. This is exactly why I started this thread. I didn't do it to make light of the crimes of Sandusky or to imply that we should forget his victims. I posted to lend my support to those at or affiliate with PSU who had nothing to do with the situation.

 

[JaneBanks]

To the OP - THANK YOU!!!

Sandusky committed horrible crimes. Unfortunately, the press has made this whole mess about Penn State instead of the criminal. The media is not portraying all the wonderful things that are happening at Penn State recently. This has been a horrible week for all students at Penn State. They can not read a newspaper, watch television, or go online without being vilified. News media attack them walking around campus wanting quotes; then only air the "negative" comments. This story is still unfolding and more information will come out. Until then, please do not judge - especially the current students who had nothing to do with what took place.

I keep reading this and I just have to say that it is not true. I watched the news most of the day yesterday and they aired both sides of the story. They spoke about the "riot" and then spoke about the vigil to the girl who organized it. They aired students that are pissed off about JoePa's firing and they aired students who agreed with it.

 

[sharonmickey]

ugadog99 - again, thank you. Now I'm deleting my subscription to this post because there are too many on here who think they know the whole story based on the media coverage. The current Penn State students have nothing to do with any of this but they are also paying the price.

 

[ms.yt]

I am so sick of the media being blamed for this. The media didn't anally rape any boys in a shower, did it? The media didn't cover it up for almost a decade did it?

If the powers that be weren't afraid of the media informing the public nothing would likely have ever been done. The press in this country get a lot of crap for doing their job, but just think about all the injustices that would have continued to happen in the world if the public wasn't made aware of it by - you guessed it - THE MEDIA!

One of my favorite quotes is "If the press didn't tell you, who would?" I think it's particularly appropriate here.

 

[handinpocket]

In our society, we don't have the luxury of separating the parts from the whole.
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Sure we do. Sandusky raped those kids and he alone is the villian in that.

 

[castleview]

Sure we do. Sandusky raped those kids and he alone is the villian in that.

So what do you consider the people who saw or knew of these actions?

 

[amg35]

Sure we do. Sandusky raped those kids and he alone is the villian in that.

Eh, anyone who knew about it is the villian in this. What kind of person could personally witness it and not do a thing about it? (besides mentioning it to someone) I think I would be blind with rage if I witnessed it. I can't comprehend how everyone didn't do everything they could to bring that scum to justice.

I can't even fathom what they said to themselves to justify their non-action in this disgusting, horrific crime.

 

[handinpocket]

So what do you consider the people who saw or knew of these actions?

It is because of their testimony that he will be put away.

 

[castleview]

It is because of their testimony that he will be put away.

Okay. What about not helping that particular child or the many who came after him? Seriously, all McQueary had to do was say "WTH??" to Sandusky.

 

[kidshop]

ugadog99 - again, thank you. Now I'm deleting my subscription to this post because there are too many on here who think they know the whole story based on the media coverage. The current Penn State students have nothing to do with any of this but they are also paying the price.

Blame the school for the cover-up. It's their fault too and yes the students pay the price, but the officials didn't think any more of them than the abused boys.

This could have all been prevented, but they chose not to.

 

[handinpocket]

Okay. What about not helping that particular child or the many who came after him? Seriously, all McQueary had to do was say "WTH??" to Sandusky.

No one has any idea what MQ was thinking. He did tell JP, he voiced his concerns and the police already knew. I think he knew he better keep his mouth shut or suffer serious repercussions.

It is because of him that Sandusky will rot in jail. I don't think MQ is a monster, I bet he wished he did things differently back then. At the end of the day we must remember that Sandusky is the person who hurt these kids.

I don't think badly of Penn State because a sadistic monster was in their mist, the vast majority had no idea. The ones that did felt helpless when things had been reported and the other cheek turned.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Sure we do. Sandusky raped those kids and he alone is the villian in that.

He had help from the complacency of the school.

The school failed. They failed big time.

The administration is culpable. And by that--so just in case you think I am generalizing....no, this doesn't mean the biology department or the TA over in the history department. It means the football department and up--so the Athletic Director as he is ultimately responsible for all of the sports. It means the administration that oversees the athletic department.

That is what happens when people like Sandusky are invited to do what they do by circumstances and cover ups. They don't get off scott free just because they weren't the ones to physically commit the acts.

So no--we don't get to separate the parts from the whole. (Think Enron, Think Lehman Brothers, Think Virginia Tech who did have some responsibility for their tragedies because they didn't follow law...)

 

[FireDancer]

I wrote this on the other thread but it fits here just as much if not more:

It isn't true that there is nothing Penn State could do to please people. It is actually quite simple.

First, stop assigning blame in all of this on a sliding scale of culpability. It is a yes/no question. Did you have anything to do with the rapes (Sandusky), did you witness them (McQueary), or did you know anything about them (many people but includes Paterno). If the answer is yes you are out and you are out immediately. Not the end of the season or tomorrow, now. Don't accept anything less than a full investigation of everyone and those that get cleared get cleared and those that don't get fired and prosecuted (if they can). The punishments will differ in a court of law, they should be uniform inside the program. Knew anything goodbye.

Don't worry about what it means for the athletic program, that is secondary. More important is doing the right thing and ridding Happy Valley of the rot. If that means they have a decade of poor teams while they rebuild so what? That isn't what is important.

My favorite team in any sport is Manchester United. They, much like Penn State used to, have a very long serving and highly respected manager named Sir Alex Ferguson. If the exact same scandal and cover up that is happening now at Penn State was instead happening there, and if everything Joe Paterno knew Sir Alex knew, and if his inaction was the same I would want him gone immediately. Whatever air was in my lung when I found out I would want him out before I exhaled. I would feel betrayed by him. I would want everyone that knew out. I wouldn't care about how we did the rest of the season or if we were relegated because we crashed or were sanctioned. All that would mater is the kids who were effected and getting the inhuman scum that participated in any way out of the club sporting results be dammed. Nothing Sir Alex did for the club on the pitch would matter. He would be dead to me and it would be as though he didn't do anything for Manchester United other than allow children to be raped.

That is what is missing in the whole thing from Penn State. I don't want the program shut down or even the season canceled (though doing so would send a clear message that football doesn't really matter in comparison to child rape). I want to see the sense of betrayal from the fans about Joe. I want to see the fans care more about finding out every person involved and removing them despite what it means for the record. I personally don't see that. Is it fair to the players, fans, and any administrators that had nothing to do with the scandal? No. It wouldn't be fair at Manchester United either but I would accept it with open arms because it is the morally right thing to do.

And right there sums up what I feel about this situation and what I expect the Penn State fans, students, players, and alumni to feel. I want them to say what is moral and right in life is more important than what is fair in sports.

 

[amg35]

No one has any idea what MQ was thinking. He did tell JP, he voiced his concerns and the police already knew. I think he knew he better keep his mouth shut or suffer serious repercussions. It is because of him that Sandusky will rot in jail. I don't think MQ is a monster, I bet he wished he did things differently back then. At the end of the day we must remember that Sandusky is the person who hurt these kids.

I don't think badly of Penn State because a sadistic monster was in their mist, the vast majority had no idea. The ones that did felt helpless when things had been reported and the other cheek turned.

What were the repercussions, being raped?

I would lose my job before I would let a child be raped. I would hope most people would be able to take that stand.