My position on Professional Internships

[mickeyfan85]

Let me break your post down for you mickeyfan.




I am the one that started a few of those threads, and there wasnt a fuss about people not getting the internship they wanted, it was mearly trying to gauge why they didnt get it. To even put they they "actually could have found a better candidate", means you didnt read any of those threads at all and are mearly talking out of your rear. Its true, you cant judge people based off a resume, but you sure cant judge people when you never contact them either. How is someone a better candidate for a position that desires resort experience, college program particiapation and a hospitality background, when they have none of those????

The only one doing the "speculating" as you call it here is yourself. I have worked here, I am still here, and have been for 2 years. You have yet to step foot on this property in a working role. I have personally met or come across every PI that has worked in rooms and related in the last 2 years. The vast majority of these PI people have had no CP experience and no job experience, this is no speculation, this is fact.



No issue there. However, when you post desired and required qualifications for a job, and then not follow them, it causes people to get frustrated. There are a ton of CPs here at my work location right now that are more than qualified for the PI, yet never even got a call for an interview...while there are 4 PIs coming down for their PI in rooms and related that have no work experience and no prior CP experience... All things being equal, they should not even be considered for the position. People are pissed because they have given anywhere from 1-3 CPs for this company and cant even get a courtesy call, while a person with nothing more than being a server at the local Cracker Barrel gets the PI. Its bull****, plain and simple.




Zero speculation. Once again, Ive been here for almost 2 years and worked in 6 resorts, you however have not worked one day at this company so you can take your "speculations" crap and toss it right out the window. How can you possibly judge people that have had zero work experience? Everyone down here is in college, so thats the only common ground to judge off of. There was a PI that got the job simply because Disney was recruiting at a National Minority Hospitality Conference. Speculation would be that she got the job simply because she was black and Disney caters to minorities. I am not in the business of speculating though, so I dont bring it up. Speculation would also be because someone is gay they have a huge advantage in the hiring process, even though its not a group protected by the Civil Rights Act of 1964.... Even though it happens far too often than not, I do not bring this up because it too...would be speculation.

Job experience versus no job experience is not speculation, it is fact

CP participation vs no CP participation is not speculation, it is fact

Hospitality background vs no Hospitality background is not speculation, it is fact

These are all qualities Disney says they want, yet dont even talk to the people that are more than qualified, yet they go out and get scrubs from the street to fill these positions that meet none of their posted criteria. This is not speculation, this is fact.




That goes to say that I believe a lot of what Disney is looking for is potential. That might explain why someone well qualified was passed over for someone with not as many qualifications. You can teach a person protocol and how to perform job related duties...but there are some attributes that are near impossible to teach...like not being cocky, being polite, and having leadership qualities to name a few.

I really am not here to argue, but to just convey my opinion on the matter And so I leave you with this one quote, which is ironically also from Disney's Great Leader Strategies. Do you have a copy? I could email it to you if you would like. (Please note, I did not add the italics)

"Another way I think about attitude is that people with a good attitude do not talk in a negative way about their company. They certainly can have recommendations and suggestions on how to improve things. I am talking about those people who sit around complaining about everything but do nothing about it or complain to someone who can do nothing about it."

-Lee Cockerell

 

[graygables]

"Another way I think about attitude is that people with a good attitude do not talk in a negative way about their company. They certainly can have recommendations and suggestions on how to improve things. I am talking about those people who sit around complaining about everything but do nothing about it or complain to someone who can do nothing about it."

-Lee Cockerell

Another excellent quote...clearly, I need his book (I already read his blog)

BTW, crimsontide27, meet Chip (as in shoulder and not the rodent)

 

[crimsontide27]

Another excellent quote...clearly, I need his book (I already read his blog)

BTW, crimsontide27, meet Chip (as in shoulder and not the rodent)

Say what you want...

At 43 and having not done the program, you have no business trying to tell people that are already here on the program what to expect, nor criticize others for telling their experiences. You posting in a college program or professional intership thread is just about as relevent as me posting in an AARP-senior citizen thread.

 

[crimsontide27]

I really am not here to argue, but to just convey my opinion on the matter And so I leave you with this one quote, which is ironically also from Disney's Great Leader Strategies. Do you have a copy? I could email it to you if you would like. (Please note, I did not add the italics)

"Another way I think about attitude is that people with a good attitude do not talk in a negative way about their company. They certainly can have recommendations and suggestions on how to improve things. I am talking about those people who sit around complaining about everything but do nothing about it or complain to someone who can do nothing about it."

-Lee Cockerell

Quote all you want, doesnt make it true. Walt Disney would be turning over in his grave if he saw the shenanigans that go on here.

 

[mickeyfan85]

Say what you want...

At 43 and having not done the program, you have no business trying to tell people that are already here on the program what to expect, nor criticize others for telling their experiences. You posting in a college program or professional intership thread is just about as relevent as me posting in an AARP-senior citizen thread.

I think graygables has every right to post on the CP & PI boards. From what I gather in her other posts, she has a 19y/o daughter who did the CP and is now full time at BBB Boutique. Plus, she wants to work there soon, too.

And I find the AARP comment quite out-of-line. 43 is definitely not in the AARP category and is quite far from it! I think it's commendable that you're taking the initiative to start your Disney career with your daughter. Sometimes people go their whole lives without finding their dream job because they are too scared to move outside their comfort zone. I wish you the best of luck!

Oh, and yes, crimsontide, I am using quotes. But don't you think they're good? I really do like them and my offer still stands to send you the Disney Leader Strategies. Who knows, you might like it!

Edit: Oh! And I forgot to say I have a 3 y/o sister and my parents really want to take her to BBB Boutique this year or next for her birthday! I was wondering if cast members get discounts there. Do you or your daughter know, graygables? Thanks!

 

[graygables]

I think graygables has every right to post on the CP & PI boards. From what I gather in her other posts, she has a 19y/o daughter who did the CP and is now full time at BBB Boutique. Plus, she wants to work there soon, too.

And I find the AARP comment quite out-of-line. 43 is definitely not in the AARP category and is quite far from it! I think it's commendable that you're taking the initiative to start your Disney career with your daughter. Sometimes people go their whole lives without finding their dream job because they are too scared to move outside their comfort zone. I wish you the best of luck!

Oh, and yes, crimsontide, I am using quotes. But don't you think they're good? I really do like them and my offer still stands to send you the Disney Leader Strategies. Who knows, you might like it!

Edit: Oh! And I forgot to say I have a 3 y/o sister and my parents really want to take her to BBB Boutique this year or next for her birthday! I was wondering if cast members get discounts there. Do you or your daughter know, graygables? Thanks!

No, unfortunately, they don't get discounts (bummer!). Thanks for the support, too. For what it's worth, I did get an AARP application when I was 30 and had "retired" from teaching . No, I didn't sign up...

 

[graygables]

Say what you want...

At 43 and having not done the program, you have no business trying to tell people that are already here on the program what to expect, nor criticize others for telling their experiences. You posting in a college program or professional intership thread is just about as relevent as me posting in an AARP-senior citizen thread.

Your behavior is typical of a middle schooler who thinks he's smarter than his peers. (I used to teach them, so I do have experience with the level of immaturity you present). As far as the program, I actually have TWO daughters who have completed the program, both of whom have gone on to full time positions at WDW, so that does give me a little relevancy when posting to CP/PI threads. I haven't criticized anyone for telling their experiences, I have criticized opinions that are based on nothing more than sour grapes. When the rest of the world is telling you you have an attitude problem, maybe it's time to look in the mirror...

 

[sugahappy]

Hi everybody! Just an intro, I completed the CP a couple years ago as a custodian. I am also currently a campus rep.

I've been keeping my eye on this thread, and I can't hold my tongue any longer. I've also seen Crimsontide on other threads on these boards, and he (sorry if you aren't a he? I'm really not sure hehe) seems to have the same message everytime, and get continuously attacked and berated for expressing his opinion. First of all, I think it's rude to say that he or anybody else is "whining" about not getting a PI. These boards are here for us to express ourselves, and if we feel like complaining, then why not? Why can't we complain?

Secondly, I'd like to say that I myself have never applied for a PI. However, I know many, many people who have. People I used to work with, people who became my best friends during my CP, other campus reps, and other people I've come across on these boards. Disney has a way of being so enticing that nearly everyone I know who did a CP plans to apply or already has applied for a PI because they love Disney so much and want to begin their post-college careers there.

That being said, out of all those people, I know a total of TWO people who have gotten the PI. One of them is highly qualified for the position, the other one was not so much, but the position was not a very competitive one. Everyone else I know got rejected. I don't really want to go into their personal situations, because many of them are on these boards and I don't think it's my place to discuss their personal lives like that, but let's just say that each one of them is completely devoted to Disney, had good record cards, developed positive relationships with their managers, got recommendations from their managers and/or campus recruiters when they applied for the PI, were active campus reps, were qualified for the roles they applied for, etc etc. And they still didn't get it.

Seeing these awesome candidates get passed over time and TIME again is so discouraging. And yes, I know, and I'm sure crimsontide knows too, that thousands of people apply for these positions. Maybe there are more qualified people getting the positions, but sometimes I don't see how that's possible. Seriously, not to be even more of a Debbie the Downer, but I have a friend who did a second CP in order to apply for a PI and just like MickeyFan said in his OP, "networked like crazy" and did absolutely anything and everything possible to get a PI this time around and still didn't get it. It really seems to me like Disney is literally pulling names out of a big blue Mickey sorcerer hat to decide who should get one and who shouldn't.

I think it's a lot easier to come to this conclusion after you have actually worked for the company yourself. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Disney, I love recruiting students for the CP, I go visit every chance I get, I am hooked for life, I will be that old lady dragging her entire family there when I'm 80 years old riding Space Mountain (God willing!!). But even besides all the PI related stuff, I have seen Disney mishandle its cast members many, many times. It seems so amazing because the company is SO good at what they do with the guests, providing excellent guest satisfaction, etc etc. But they can be really absolutely awful at handling their own employees.

I don't really know how to explain this to you, especially if you haven't worked there before, because I don't feel like explaining all the little details. But if you've worked there, I hope you know what I mean. Have you ever tried dealing with the Casting Center and Access Control if you return to WDW after your CP to work? My friends and I have buckets of horror stories about those places. How about all the different stories you get from your managers and other CMs when you finish your CP and try to go seasonal? Another example, one of my friends who got the PI actually got a REJECTION email first, then like three days later got a call congratulating them on being accepted. The person on the phone didn't even realize they had incorrectly sent the rejection email.

I know some of you may say, "Oh, I/my friend/my daughter/someone else I know" works for Disney/did the CP/got a PI and has never had a single complaint and said she loves the way Disney handles its employees." There are exceptions to every rule. I just think the rule has become red tape, long confusing paper trails, miscommunications and misunderstandings, etc. And I know Disney is a big company, maybe you think that's an excuse for them to be so disorganized, etc, but it's not. Or at least it shouldn't be.

Anyway, I guess my point is that everyone needs to stop making judgments here. Maybe to you, crimsontide sounds bitter or like "sour grapes" or like he's got a "chip" on his shoulder. But I think that's totally uncalled for, because I'm sure he has seen many things that justify his feelings and his complaints. Like him, I have seen many highly qualified people get passed over, some without even getting the initial phone call, for no reason at all. During my CP, I saw employees, including myself, getting screwed by the company's lack of communication and organization. Like I said, I still and always will love Disney (I have no plans to work there after graduation however), I just find it sooo disheartening to watch these great people get rejected time and time again, and then come on the boards and see people bashing people who are also confused and discouraged.

I personally think Disney is kicking themselves in the butt. I mean these people I know who are applying are perfect Disney material and would be so devoted to meeting and exceeding guest expectations. They are Disney to the core, they just need their way in. If Disney keeps rejecting these kinds of people then they are going to give up and apply elsewhere and the company will never get a chance to gain these assets.

Anyway, that's just what I think

 

[graygables]

I've also seen Crimsontide on other threads on these boards, and he (sorry if you aren't a he? I'm really not sure hehe) seems to have the same message everytime, and get continuously attacked and berated for expressing his opinion. First of all, I think it's rude to say that he or anybody else is "whining" about not getting a PI. These boards are here for us to express ourselves, and if we feel like complaining, then why not? Why can't we complain?

You are welcome to your opinion. However, if one looks at the track record, I can easily say the "rude" one is crimsontide27. Just read the tirade to mickeyfan85 earlier in this thread.

The same message that I'm getting (and I believe others are, too, gauging their responses) from crimsontide27 every time is "I'm so wonderful, I'm so qualified, I've been commended by my mayor, on the cover of..." (and then it turns into yadda-yadda-yadda that you start to hear when someone is being a nauseating braggart).

I have 2 daughters who did the CP. The oldest returned to WDW several months later and took a FT job on Main Street. She networked and applied and got a better paying job. She networked and applied and got a promotion. She is slowly working her way up and paying her dues along the way. My 2nd DD did her CP, extended, and when it was over, within 2 weeks returned to begin her seasonal part time status. She returned home and this Spring, decided she wanted another break from school. She went on the portal, indicated when she'd be back and just worked for 6 weeks during which time she was offered a FT position (which she is taking). Both of my girls are willing to work hard and earn their place in the company.

I do not doubt that highly qualified people are passed over for PIs. I do not doubt that a company the size of Disney has some difficulties managing personnel. I've heard a story or two, neither DD thinks Disney is perfect, but for the most part, the things my girls have experienced management-wise have been no different than any other jobs. I also concur with someone who posted in response to crimsontide27 on a different thread that perhaps some people who apply for the PI really should be applying for a JOB and not an INTERNSHIP. I agree with yet another poster who talked about the internship being a place to learn and a way to bring fresh blood into the company.

Several years ago, I was a student teacher. During my time, my supervising teacher had a medical emergency and rather than bring in a substitute to the AP English class toward the end of the year, the school got permission from the state for me to be a paid substitute. I had to postpone my graduation (although I was allowed to walk with my class) until later in the Summer and finish my student teaching during Summer school (NOT what I'd planned). I was happy to step in because I knew the school had an opening for a full time teacher the next year. I went through the interview process, had all the qualifications, knew the faculty, staff, and students, and still didn't get the job. It was given to a young man who didn't even have a degree in education. Was I peeved? You bet I was. Hindsight? He was the right person for the job. He brought a fresh perspective that energized the department and the students.

My point is, as others have said, unless you are the one doing the hiring, you don't know why they chose person A over person B. Maybe person B's voice was annoying. Maybe person B was haughty. Maybe person B didn't seem malleable enough. There are hundreds of subliminal things that person B may have projected that may have put the interviewer off.

Going on about how wonderful one is ad nauseum isn't going to change the fact that one didn't get hired and it sounds really whiny after the first dozen times. It is not productive and is not helpful to those who are currently looking to apply for various roles which is what most of the threads are really about. Encouragement, suggestions, ideas, NOT "I'm so wonderful and they didn't hire me so don't get your hopes up because you aren't NEARLY as qualified as I am".

 

[mickeyfan85]

I really don't mind opinions. But when it's done in a non-constructive manner, I really don't see the benefit. I don't know, maybe I would expect more courtesy and humbleness from people working at Disney instead of saying that I am "talking out of my ***" and such nonsense. If one purports to be great with the public at work and then becomes very rude in an online forum, it makes you wonder.

So all I'm saying is where is it getting people to bash Disney? If one really has that big of a problem with the company, they are paying them so little, they are so miserable with the hiring practices, the waiter from cracker barrel is your manager, the former gas station clerk is the team leader, bums off the street are being promoted before you, everyone is lying to you, and you're going no where fast in your position...then quit. Find something that makes you happy because life is to short.

 

[mickeyfan85]

You are welcome to your opinion. However, if one looks at the track record, I can easily say the "rude" one is crimsontide27. Just read the tirade to mickeyfan85 earlier in this thread.

The same message that I'm getting (and I believe others are, too, gauging their responses) from crimsontide27 every time is "I'm so wonderful, I'm so qualified, I've been commended by my mayor, on the cover of..." (and then it turns into yadda-yadda-yadda that you start to hear when someone is being a nauseating braggart).

I have 2 daughters who did the CP. The oldest returned to WDW several months later and took a FT job on Main Street. She networked and applied and got a better paying job. She networked and applied and got a promotion. She is slowly working her way up and paying her dues along the way. My 2nd DD did her CP, extended, and when it was over, within 2 weeks returned to begin her seasonal part time status. She returned home and this Spring, decided she wanted another break from school. She went on the portal, indicated when she'd be back and just worked for 6 weeks during which time she was offered a FT position (which she is taking). Both of my girls are willing to work hard and earn their place in the company.

I do not doubt that highly qualified people are passed over for PIs. I do not doubt that a company the size of Disney has some difficulties managing personnel. I've heard a story or two, neither DD thinks Disney is perfect, but for the most part, the things my girls have experienced management-wise have been no different than any other jobs. I also concur with someone who posted in response to crimsontide27 on a different thread that perhaps some people who apply for the PI really should be applying for a JOB and not an INTERNSHIP. I agree with yet another poster who talked about the internship being a place to learn and a way to bring fresh blood into the company.

Several years ago, I was a student teacher. During my time, my supervising teacher had a medical emergency and rather than bring in a substitute to the AP English class toward the end of the year, the school got permission from the state for me to be a paid substitute. I had to postpone my graduation (although I was allowed to walk with my class) until later in the Summer and finish my student teaching during Summer school (NOT what I'd planned). I was happy to step in because I knew the school had an opening for a full time teacher the next year. I went through the interview process, had all the qualifications, knew the faculty, staff, and students, and still didn't get the job. It was given to a young man who didn't even have a degree in education. Was I peeved? You bet I was. Hindsight? He was the right person for the job. He brought a fresh perspective that energized the department and the students.

My point is, as others have said, unless you are the one doing the hiring, you don't know why they chose person A over person B. Maybe person B's voice was annoying. Maybe person B was haughty. Maybe person B didn't seem malleable enough. There are hundreds of subliminal things that person B may have projected that may have put the interviewer off.

Going on about how wonderful one is ad nauseum isn't going to change the fact that one didn't get hired and it sounds really whiny after the first dozen times. It is not productive and is not helpful to those who are currently looking to apply for various roles which is what most of the threads are really about. Encouragement, suggestions, ideas, NOT "I'm so wonderful and they didn't hire me so don't get your hopes up because you aren't NEARLY as qualified as I am".

My last post was done before reading your post graygables. I think it was right on point and conveys the reasons why this thread was started. I don't think it was fair to us a broad brush and paint Disney casting as trying to throw everyone under the bus. From the people I have met, they are very professional and outgoing. From what I've read in some post, I would think I was going to meet an evil witch with a pointy nose who was offering me an apple!

Well said!

 

[crimsontide27]

Now that we have some conversation to discuss, I will add more.

I am much like Sugahappy. Seen the same things happen over and over and time after time again. Since this about professional internships, I will keep the topic on track.

No one that I know has a desire to spend anywhere from 4-6 years in college for a degree for a minimum wage job. Those seeking career opportunities within the Disney company just have to figure out how to go about it the right way.

The PI is the way to go. You state why dont they look for a "job" and not an internship...here is why. I have been here 2 years and know how the game is played now. The PI leads into that job. In 2 years I have seen 1 person get promoted within 6 resorts to an actual job. On the other had, I have watched PI after PI after PI transition into a decent job, no matter wether they did a good job or not.

It is clear to anyone that has come here ( in my job field anyway ) and done the CP , that the only way to advance within their field would be to go the PI route. What is even more disheartening is that they recruit people and tell them the CP route is the way to go, only to find out that it becomes a complete waste of time for them. ( career wise )

Each semester we see brand new faces that come in for the PIs that not only didnt have to go the CP route, but dont have any qualifications that should put them ahead of the people already here.

Dont know if you noticed, but I posted a question in one thread that asked those that got accepted to the PI " What qualifications did you have that got you selected?" Only 1 person responded, and while his credentials look ok, its nothing better than many of the other CPs that are down here and already given Disney their time on the CP.

CPs on the program read this board , and they know when the PIs are coming in. I watch semester after semester as peoples morale drop at the front desk when the new PIs come in and have no prior experience, yet are selected for the position the CPs came down here to get.

They ask themselves "What did I do wrong?" They have their degrees, they have time with the company, they have the great record cards, they have managements backing, they have networked while they are here, yet they are not even contacted for an interview???....while someone that has none of this, nor any prior work history is selected to be their manager and given a career at Disney. Its no wonder people get mad or frustrated.

Once again, these are facts and no speculations. Pretty much goes against the quotes people are pulling out of this book right?

And to comment on this statement by graygables....The same message that I'm getting (and I believe others are, too, gauging their responses) from crimsontide27 every time is "I'm so wonderful, I'm so qualified, I've been commended by my mayor, on the cover of..." (and then it turns into yadda-yadda-yadda that you start to hear when someone is being a nauseating braggart).

I have never once posted my qualifications here and dont plan on it, as the board nazis would believe it to be bragging. I also dont post stupid one line respones that have nothing to do with the posts im replying to. Im simply giving a reference point to the constant people with their speculations about networking and doing good at the job blah blah. I am showing as fact that networking and doing such a wonderful job at the company has absolutely zero impact on your ablility to get selected for the PI. I back up my statements with facts and real situations, ( which is something most of you never do )The majority of you just post stupid comments or quotes and think thats how it really works.

Edit

And looking at the past few posts it has become clear to me that you have 2 people that have worked here and know how it works, versus 2 people that havent worked a day in their life here and have absolutely no clue how it works.

 

[graygables]

Each semester we see brand new faces that come in for the PIs that not only didnt have to go the CP route, but dont have any qualifications that should put them ahead of the people already here.

since you are not privy to their resumes/interviews I simply don't know how you can say that without it being opinion. I'll grant you the CP thing (can we finally put that to rest...Disney sometimes hires non-CPers!)

Dont know if you noticed, but I posted a question in one thread that asked those that got accepted to the PI " What qualifications did you have that got you selected?" Only 1 person responded, and while his credentials look ok, its nothing better than many of the other CPs that are down here and already given Disney their time on the CP.

Yes, I did notice, but I also question who you think you are to determine whether or not someone's "credentials look ok". I think that's the GIANT point you are missing.

They ask themselves "What did I do wrong?" They have their degrees, they have time with the company, they have the great record cards, they have managements backing, they have networked while they are here, yet they are not even contacted for an interview???....while someone that has none of this, nor any prior work history is selected to be their manager and given a career at Disney. Its no wonder people get mad or frustrated.

I understand. I felt the same way when "MY" job was given to someone who didn't have any educational training whatsoever. That does not mean I get to go around babbling about how qualified I was and how that school stinks and how THEY got it wrong. What that means is, I suck it up and apply for the next job.

I have never once posted my qualifications here and dont plan on it, as the board nazis would believe it to be bragging. I also dont post stupid one line respones that have nothing to do with the posts im replying to. Im simply giving a reference point to the constant people with their speculations about networking and doing good at the job blah blah. I am showing as fact that networking and doing such a wonderful job at the company has absolutely zero impact on your ablility to get selected for the PI. I back up my statements with facts and real situations, ( which is something most of you never do )The majority of you just post stupid comments or quotes and think thats how it really works.

If you haven't posted about your qualifications, how come we know about the mayor, the portal, the article, the...(yaddayaddayadda)? Again, your maturity level that shines through in the quote above may be the basis of your issues with posters here AND with the company.

And looking at the past few posts it has become clear to me that you have 2 people that have worked here and know how it works, versus 2 people that havent worked a day in their life here and have absolutely no clue how it works.

You are correct, I have not worked a day in my life at WDW (yet), but I do have 2 DDs who have and I have guided them, talked with them (and their managers), heard costuming and pay and scheduling issues, encouraged them, given a shoulder to cry on when passed over for a promotion, and more. I do not believe that I have to actually work there myself to understand some of the trials and tribulations that go on. Climb down from that high horse, it isn't going to fly.


I also think a lot of this unhappiness with the PI selection process has to do with age and maturity. I want it all and I want it now and I'll throw a temper tantrum if I don't get it. Many (not all) of the current undergrad/grad school-aged generation believe they should be able to step into a "career" right off the bat. I have never, not once, EVER heard that promise from Disney. I spent a LOT of time visiting with both of my DDs' managers (CP and non-CP) and they all said the same thing: don't come here looking for a great job up front. You have to work your way up. Incidentally, in all that I heard from them, I never heard any of them encourage my DDs (or me, for that matter) to do the PI route as an "in" into the company. Would I love to do a PI? Absolutely. Will it be the end of the world (or my aspirations for working at WDW) if I don't? Absolutely not. Realistic expectations are a must.

Another thing...I have a BIL who just returned to management at WDW. He started at WDW right out of high school b/c his Dad worked for the company. He did QFS and worked his way up to management. He quit for awhile, but recently his former manager called him to come back and he did. No degree, nothing to recommend him but years of experience and a former manager. Sometimes you just have to pay your dues. Sometimes you click right away with the right people. If not, follow mickeyfan85's advice and move on.

 

[flbuckeye]

I have been looking at this thread for a while and personally If you havent been a cp or a pi you have NO CLUE what really goes on down here... Everyone here is acting like Disney is this wonderful place and it is if you arent working here for minimum wage as a cp, Ive done it I know... Anyone can say that there DS or DD worked down here and is having a blast.. That could be true but I know from experience.. its about the people and when PIs come in and they have no experience as a manager you arent going to be liked by the people who have been there 15 years trying to get into LCC.

Another thing...I have a BIL who just returned to management at WDW. He started at WDW right out of high school b/c his Dad worked for the company. He did QFS and worked his way up to management. He quit for awhile, but recently his former manager called him to come back and he did. No degree, nothing to recommend him but years of experience and a former manager. Sometimes you just have to pay your dues. Sometimes you click right away with the right people. If not, follow mickeyfan85's advice and move on.

ok.. You also have your 2 DD that worked down here also... So then you should know that QFS has the highest turnover in WDW..Which could be why the managers called him to come back..you cant replace people fast enough.. The people from Orlando dont want to work there... Disney has nothing to do with pay your dues its about which manager you can suck up to enough to get you where you want to go.

When I was on the CP maybe 10 of my managers in the 6 resorts I worked in did not do the PI and for the ones who did they regret taking the status because they new they could have done more with their lives if they went back to school, got the degree, and got a job that they could live off of. And some of them did quit and go home.

As far as having enough background to become a manager or to get a PI, Really there is only 3 things that you have to know how to do...Work a Blackberry, Know how to send an email, and to call a runner to go get something to give to the guest. Other then that it take 6 managers standing in a circle to decide if they should give someone a replacement mug, to make them happy.

So really it doesnt come down to experience it whether or not you can do 3 things and if you can, CONGRATS you can be a PI!!!!!!!! BUT after your 6 months and you realize that you cant really make a good living down here at Disney wages PI or Full time you'll understand why the 6 month prior to a PI people where trying to tell you the truth and you thought they were negitive

 

[mickeyfan85]

I have been looking at this thread for a while and personally If you havent been a cp or a pi you have NO CLUE what really goes on down here... Everyone here is acting like Disney is this wonderful place and it is if you arent working here for minimum wage as a cp, Ive done it I know... Anyone can say that there DS or DD worked down here and is having a blast.. That could be true but I know from experience.. its about the people and when PIs come in and they have no experience as a manager you arent going to be liked by the people who have been there 15 years trying to get into LCC.






ok.. You also have your 2 DD that worked down here also... So then you should know that QFS has the highest turnover in WDW..Which could be why the managers called him to come back..you cant replace people fast enough.. The people from Orlando dont want to work there... Disney has nothing to do with pay your dues its about which manager you can suck up to enough to get you where you want to go.

When I was on the CP maybe 10 of my managers in the 6 resorts I worked in did not do the PI and for the ones who did they regret taking the status because they new they could have done more with their lives if they went back to school, got the degree, and got a job that they could live off of. And some of them did quit and go home.

As far as having enough background to become a manager or to get a PI, Really there is only 3 things that you have to know how to do...Work a Blackberry, Know how to send an email, and to call a runner to go get something to give to the guest. Other then that it take 6 managers standing in a circle to decide if they should give someone a replacement mug, to make them happy.

So really it doesnt come down to experience it whether or not you can do 3 things and if you can, CONGRATS you can be a PI!!!!!!!! BUT after your 6 months and you realize that you cant really make a good living down here at Disney wages PI or Full time you'll understand why the 6 month prior to a PI people where trying to tell you the truth and you thought they were negitive

Friend of crimsontide, flbuckeye? Seems mighty interesting that your only other post on here was 4/19/08...just says "edited" and is followed 2 minutes later by a post from crimsontide. Do you two share a computer and log on at the same time?

Plus, you both have names that have to do with school nicknames. Interesting, to say the least.

 

[CelebrationNM]

Other then that it take 6 managers standing in a circle to decide if they should give someone a replacement mug, to make them happy.

I think good managers do more than you give credit for, but... your comment about "6 managers standing in a circle" wouldn't be so funny if it wasn't true.

 

[mickeyfan85]

I think good managers do more than you give credit for, but... your comment about "6 managers standing in a circle" wouldn't be so funny if it wasn't true.

I need a Blackberry, asap!

 

[sugahappy]

A few things...

You are welcome to your opinion. However, if one looks at the track record, I can easily say the "rude" one is crimsontide27. Just read the tirade to mickeyfan85 earlier in this thread.

I don't know, maybe I would expect more courtesy and humbleness from people working at Disney instead of saying that I am "talking out of my ***" and such nonsense. If one purports to be great with the public at work and then becomes very rude in an online forum, it makes you wonder.

Just to be clear, I am not necessarily defending the way Crimsontide is getting their opinion across. I'm just defending/concurring with his opinion about Disney and PIs.

I have 2 daughters who did the CP. The oldest returned to WDW several months later and took a FT job on Main Street. She networked and applied and got a better paying job. She networked and applied and got a promotion. She is slowly working her way up and paying her dues along the way. ... Both of my girls are willing to work hard and earn their place in the company.

I am sure your DDs have had wonderful experiences working for Disney. I myself had a wonderful experience, it was one of the best semesters of my life and if I could I'd go back and do another CP in a heartbeat, slave labor and all! I don't think it's fair to discredit Crimsontide or anybody else that has gotten passed over for a PI as "unwilling" to work hard or earn their place in the company. My main problem with Disney is that I know MANY people who are completely willing to work hard for Disney and start from the bottom (a PI) and work their way up, but they are not being given a chance. I don't think it's because we are young college students who expect to be satisfied right away. I think people who have earned college degrees and worked their booties off in college have a right to have certain expectations of their self-worth. People who LOVE and BREATHE Disney are already willing to give up higher salaries and work for less than they might be worth just because they want to work for Disney and only Disney...I don't think getting a PI you are qualified for is a crazy idea. I think it makes sense, when their only other choice is to work full time at Journey into the Imagination for 2 years and hope they get picked in the LCC. And yes, I have friends who didn't get the PI who are so devoted to working for Disney that they do this, even though they could easily be making 50K somewhere else instead of $8 an hour.

So all I'm saying is where is it getting people to bash Disney? If one really has that big of a problem with the company, they are paying them so little, they are so miserable with the hiring practices, the waiter from cracker barrel is your manager, the former gas station clerk is the team leader, bums off the street are being promoted before you, everyone is lying to you, and you're going no where fast in your position...then quit. Find something that makes you happy because life is to short.

Why is it so hard to understand that maybe people love Disney but also have complaints, issues, etc?? People use the DISboards, guests AND cast members alike, to discuss all facets of the company. Guests get on Disboards and complain about problems they've had on their vacations. This is the college boards, full of people who are about to be CPs, are CPs, or were CPs. Some people are going to have complaints and issues, and some people are going to want to talk about them. I love my mom, but sometimes we have problems. I love Disney and I loved working there and I loved my CP, even though I cleaned toilets for months. Why am I (or Crimsontide, or anybody else) not allowed to talk about the bad experiences along with the good?


I really don't know! We are like on two sides of the river and we're obviously going to stick with our different opinions. I'm not really trying to like make yall believe that Disney is bad or anything...I don't really know what I'm trying to say anymore actually, haha. I just always see Crimsontide being talked about like he is a big mean pessimistic person who is just bitter...but he really does have a point, no matter how he's trying to get it across.

That being said, I hope that you all never have to understand what he or I are talking about. Hopefully when you apply for your PI or your position you will receive the job you are qualified for. If not, at least you were somewhat prepared!

 

[mickeyfan85]

lol, it is starting to go around in circles.

But I just wanted to say that I enjoy input from people that didn't have the best experience. I think it's important. But, c'mon, lets have a little tact about it.

Here's an example. Say I didn't like my current position (which is an office job). How would I go about telling someone about it? Well here you go:

Me: "Well, though there were some aspects that I learned a lot from, I don't feel it was the right fit for me. I need a position that is more engaging and where I am more involved in the day-to-day operations."

The disgruntled way to say it: "My manager didn't know what the hell he was doing! He could barely work the copier! I have no idea how he got that job with his qualifications seeing he worked at the Jiffy Lube for two years. And most of the day I sat on my fanny with nothing to do b/c they were too incompetent to know what was going on!"

See how it comes out wrong? It's more of an attack than voicing one's opinion. I think the operative word is using tact.

And I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I know that there are inequalities in the hiring process, but where do you not find that? I just don't think it's really fair to paint it like Disney is throwing people under the bus everday just for kicks and giggles.

Can we atleast agree on that? That maybe we could be more tactful in how we approach the subject?

 

[sugahappy]

I don't think I'm not being tactful. I've made it very clear that I thoroughly enjoyed my experience...I haven't complained about my managers or any particular person I came across during my CP. I didn't even really mention anything about my job or complain about that.

I'm certainly not trying to attack anyone. And I also don't believe Disney is "throwing people under a bus" for kicks and giggles, I really hope you aren't interpreting my posts as me trying to say that.

My only point in posting here was to add evidence to my opinion that crimsontide is not just making things up cause he's ticked he didn't get a PI.