My dd2 was called a BRAT today @Walmart:(

[KAMKIM]

Abso-freakin'-lutely.

The couple with the infant at the 9pm showing of GI Joe this passed summer seemed to think that their child SCREAMING bloody murder for the first 20 minutes of the movie was NOT a disruption. Apparently nobody else in the theatre thought so either, because nobody said anything to her. It was MY opinion that the kid was a disruption, so we got the manager and he kicked them out.

YMMV.

A better resolution than calling the child a name.

 

[Carly_Roach]

What about adults? Do you leave the room, board, thread etc. when you are causing a disruption?

Conversation: the use of speech for informal exchange of views or ideas or information etc.

Disrupt: To interrupt or impede the progress, movement, or procedure of: Our efforts in the garden were disrupted by an early frost.

Disagree: 1. to fail to agree; differ: The conclusions disagree with the facts. The theories disagree in their basic premises.
2. to differ in opinion; dissent: Three of the judges disagreed with the verdict.

I don't cause disruptions. I do, however, sometimes cause disagreements when I'm not willing to buy into someone else's idea of what everyone else thinks. Especially when I'm one of the "everyone else".

While I'm sure this can be disruptive to those who disagree with me, at least I'm not in the same room with you, screaming into your ear.

Question: Which sound has greater potential to damage your hearing - a baby's cry or a jackhammer? If you answered the former, a baby's cry, you were right, according to information provided by a representative of the Center for Hearing and Health.

At 115 decibels, the sound of a baby's cry can begin to cause hearing damage to a person next to the child after just 15 minutes, reported Dorie Watkins, an industrial audiologist for the Center for Hearing Health. The jackhammer doesn't quite measure up, measuring "only" 105 decibels, she noted; but that level of sound also can cause damage to the inner ear after one hour, according to medical and science standards.

 

[Jennasis]

A better resolution than calling the child a name.

Never you mind...I called the kid names a-plenty (and the parents)...they were just out of earshot!

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Okay- so unlike me some people have no problem with a child screeching just to hear themself screech. They think that it is okay to be super noisy at Walmart because after all, it isn't church.

Well, I personally hardly ever go to Walmart for many reasons but the next time I go I am going to walk around while I am shopping going.............
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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
CHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGA CHOOOOOOOOOOCHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!

I am so not a brat! I am merely a noisy person!

 

[ols386]

I actually think it's sort of the opposite. It seems more and more often I see behavior defended as being okay simply because it's coming from a child, when that same behavior used to be considered completely unacceptable.

Parents used to think their children shouldn't be screeching in public, and they removed them from the store if the child couldn't or wouldn't behave. Now, it almost seems that anything is acceptable if it's coming from a child, and those who feel otherwise are accused of being intolerent. So many people seem to feel that their children will be scarred forever if they are told to behave or to be quiet or that their behavior is bratty.

It's sort of the "boys will be boys" argument people used to use to excuse boys who were too rough, only now it has been extended to all children. Just because a behavior is common among small children doesn't make it socially acceptable. The fact that more and more parents see nothing wrong with their child screeching in public, and in fact defend the behavior, is ridiculous. Screeching "just to hear yourself" has never been acceptable. The fact that people are annoyed by that behavior isn't new - the fact that people excuse it is. The people who don't tolerate it now are not wrong; the parents who don't try to control it are.

I don't think out-of-control behavior in children is ok, but if I am in Walmart, and hear or see a child mis-behaving, it's not any of my business to approach the parent and get into a verbal confrontation with them (and besides that, there are alot of people out there, that you don't know how they may react when you confront them...calling their child a name...it could get real ugly or even violent).

I think there are people who get completely annoyed by the smallest thing, and there are also people who get annoyed about things that are justified, but, if I am annoyed by a crying, screaming kid, I sure wouldn't approach them and call them a brat, or call the mother a name. I don't think that does anything to help the situation.

And I still think that some adults just don't want to be tolerant of much of anything, whether it's a crying child, or anything else.

 

[Carly_Roach]

I'm more patient than others - a screeching child that I have to hear for 20 mins does not bother me. If it bothers others enough to call the child a name (worse behavior in my opinion) they have more serious issue than the child playing.

You're not more patient than others; you just seem to have children on some kind of pedestal. Most adults (and probably all other children) wouldn't tolerate a child screeching for 20 minutes unless those people were the child's parents.

As far as calling a child a name being worse than a child screeching for 20 minutes, you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[wdwfan16]

Okay- so unlike me some people have no problem with a child screeching just to hear themself screech. They think that it is okay to be super noisy at Walmart because after all, it isn't church.

Well, I personally hardly ever go to Walmart for many reasons but the next time I go I am going to walk around while I am shopping going.............
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
CHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGA CHOOOOOOOOOOCHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!

I am so not a brat! I am merely a noisy person!

 

[KAMKIM]

Never you mind...I called the kid names a-plenty (and the parents)...they were just out of earshot!

Again - a better resolution than calling the child a name to his/her face.

 

[Jennasis]

Again - a better resolution than calling the child a name to his/her face.

Do you think the two year old had ANY understanding of what she was called? I don't. I think it was just insulting to the mom. Just my opinion though.

 

[KAMKIM]

You're not more patient than others; you just seem to have children on some kind of pedestal. Most adults (and probably all other children) wouldn't tolerate a child screeching for 20 minutes unless those people were the child's parents.

As far as calling a child a name being worse than a child screeching for 20 minutes, you are entitled to your opinion.

How do you figure? As I stated I would have left the store with my kids. I do not put children on a pedestal but I have more patience for playing children, than rude adults.

It may bother you to hear a child screaming or screeching, and you can report them to a manager and let them deal with the situation. Calling the child a name resolves what? Did help the situation? Make the child stop?

An adult calling ANYONE a name to resolve something is acting like a child.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Do you think the two year old had ANY understanding of what she was called? I don't. I think it was just insulting to the mom. Just my opinion though.

Well, I still don't think it was nice and my kids at 2 knew what the word brat was. I on the other hand would have asked the mother if she was a moron because clearly she was doing nothing about her child's bahavior.

 

[Carly_Roach]

I don't think out-of-control behavior in children is ok, but if I am in Walmart, and hear or see a child mis-behaving, it's not any of my business to approach the parent and get into a verbal confrontation with them ...

And I still think that some adults just don't want to be tolerant of much of anything, whether it's a crying child, or anything else.

I totally agree with you. I've never in my life gotten into a confrontation with another person over their baby crying, screaming or having a meltdown. I think the closest I ever got was a kid who accidentally ran into me in the store because she couldn't stop herself on her wheelies.

How did that turn out? Well....she (kid) was apologetic, her mom was apologetic, and I was not only apologetic (why should I apologize? It's in my nature) but I was concerned that she might have hurt herself when she bounced off me and crashed into the refrigerator case I was standing next to.

Having said that, I take issue with the idea that just because I tolerate the banshee wail of the ever-popular two-year-old when I'm in a grocery store (and remove myself from the area as quickly as possible - especially if I have a sinus headach), that doesn't mean that I'm accepting of that parent's "right" to allow their children to scream at will.

When I see a false assumption that it's OK to "let kids be kids no matter what" and people are nasty creatures if they voice their displeasure at the discomfort someone's child is causing them, I'll say something about it.

 

[MELSMICE]

I agree with the posters that said both people were in the wrong. The woman approaching the OP & calling names was definitely wrong, however, the OP should not have tolerated her DD "screeching", especially since she admitted that it was somewhat annoying.

Just a little common courtesy & common sense on both ends would avoid a situation like this.

 

[ols386]

Okay- so unlike me some people have no problem with a child screeching just to hear themself screech. They think that it is okay to be super noisy at Walmart because after all, it isn't church.

Well, I personally hardly ever go to Walmart for many reasons but the next time I go I am going to walk around while I am shopping going.............
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
CHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGACHUGA CHOOOOOOOOOOCHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!

I am so not a brat! I am merely a noisy person!

Now that's funny. Really it is.

And, ftr, I'm not saying that kids don't sometimes act like brats, they all do, at times. But I won't go up to someone in public and ask them to quiet their child and then call the child a brat, and the mother a b****. That's just wrong.

 

[KAMKIM]

Do you think the two year old had ANY understanding of what she was called? I don't. I think it was just insulting to the mom. Just my opinion though.

So if the person doesn't understand what you are calling them, name calling is okay?

 

[NHdisneylover]

Would you remove them from the parks ?

This is a question that has come up in the past... if your child is mis-behaving in a park, will you remove them and ruin the rest of the family's vacation?

Absolutely, I would. Not that one afternoon of sitting in a hotel would ruin our family's vacation--though it would annoy me plenty. But YES, I feel if MY child is behaving poorly I do not have the right to ruin OTHER people's vacations by letting him or her carry on in public. Everyone else spent as much money to get to WDW as I did. My children are my responsibility and I know before I had them that sometimes being a good parent is not fun at all. If we were traveling as a family one of us adults would stay and have fun with our other child while one went back with the misbehaving one. If I were trveling alone with the kids (which I often do), I would have to work very hard at playing fun games and doing fun in the room things with the child who is not in trouble when we got back. I might even buy that child an ice cream, etc. to make up for having to miss out on a fun afternoon. I would hate to loose out on the chance to see/visit some place special (and someplace I have spent a lot of money to see, sometimes we go places even that I am reasonably certain I will never get to see again), BUT I would hate even more for my child to learn that if we are somewhere Mommy and Daddy really like s/he can get away with anything and even more than that I feel it is my responsibility as a parent to keep my child from unnecessarily distrubing others).

 

[AlternateEgo]

 

[ols386]

I totally agree with you. I've never in my life gotten into a confrontation with another person over their baby crying, screaming or having a meltdown. I think the closest I ever got was a kid who accidentally ran into me in the store because she couldn't stop herself on her wheelies.

How did that turn out? Well....she (kid) was apologetic, her mom was apologetic, and I was not only apologetic (why should I apologize? It's in my nature) but I was concerned that she might have hurt herself when she bounced off me and crashed into the refrigerator case I was standing next to.

Having said that, I take issue with the idea that just because I tolerate the banshee wail of the ever-popular two-year-old when I'm in a grocery store (and remove myself from the area as quickly as possible - especially if I have a sinus headach), that doesn't mean that I'm accepting of that parent's "right" to allow their children to scream at will.

When I see a false assumption that it's OK to "let kids be kids no matter what" and people are nasty creatures if they voice their displeasure at the discomfort someone's child is causing them, I'll say something about it.

I don't think it's ok to 'let kids be kids no matter what'. Yes, if they are mis-behaving or whatever, then it should be dealt with then and there.

But, again, if I'm in a public place and see a child that I think is mis-behaving, I keep my mouth shut.

 

[jodifla]

I totally agree with you. I've never in my life gotten into a confrontation with another person over their baby crying, screaming or having a meltdown. I think the closest I ever got was a kid who accidentally ran into me in the store because she couldn't stop herself on her wheelies.

How did that turn out? Well....she (kid) was apologetic, her mom was apologetic, and I was not only apologetic (why should I apologize? It's in my nature) but I was concerned that she might have hurt herself when she bounced off me and crashed into the refrigerator case I was standing next to.

Having said that, I take issue with the idea that just because I tolerate the banshee wail of the ever-popular two-year-old when I'm in a grocery store (and remove myself from the area as quickly as possible - especially if I have a sinus headach), that doesn't mean that I'm accepting of that parent's "right" to allow their children to scream at will.

When I see a false assumption that it's OK to "let kids be kids no matter what" and people are nasty creatures if they voice their displeasure at the discomfort someone's child is causing them, I'll say something about it.

Again, I see very few posters (if any) trying to say that kids should just be able to scream with no discipline or behavior modification.

But they call them terrible 2s for a reason.

 

[Jennasis]

So if the person doesn't understand what you are calling them, name calling is okay?

Your beef seemed to be that something derogatory was said to the kid's face. MY beef is that it was said to the mother. The kid had no clue...the kid wasn't offended. Mom was (and rightfully so. The old bat was out of line).


I'm sure I've been called names I didn't understand many times. But just like the ones I DID understand, they are just words and only contain as much power as you allow them to. So if someone called me a name I didn't understand that would be great! I'd have nothing to be upset over...I wouldn't even know it happened!

Personally, I always have the sneaking suspicion that the ladies at my nail place are taking smack about me and the other customers in Vietnamese. Since I don't know what they are saying, I suppose ignorance IS bliss!