My dd2 was called a BRAT today @Walmart:(

[ols386]

So what nothing. I was just saying that if she were consoling her DD and trying to get her to stop screeching then surely it would have been posted as it would have been to her benefit to mention it.

Yes, so what? You said that the op was going for sympathy, and I said alot of people who post things on the dis board go for sympathy. Maybe I mis-understood what you are getting at?

 

[just4today]

I guess that depends on your definition of fussy. When my 1 year old gets fussy, sometimes he screeches. And lots of people suggested that someone should leave the store if their child is screeching.

I saw a lot of people suggesting that the mother attempt to do something to stop the screeching, and if she was unsuccessful, then she should leave the store.

 

[wvjules]

Yes, so what?

You said she going for sympathy, and I said that alot of people on the dis go for sympathy, in the things they post.

Are you trying to be obtuse?

 

[ols386]

Are you trying to be obtuse?

I'm not trying to be anything....you said she was going for sympathy....and my point is, so what, many people who post threads on here are looking for sympathy.

To be honest, I do have sympathy for her after reading so many mean and nasty posts in response to her.

 

[wdwfan16]

Yes, so what? You said that the op was going for sympathy, and I said alot of people who post things on the dis board go for sympathy. Maybe I mis-understood what you are getting at?

If the DISer posts something for sympathy and they either started the situation or did not stop it when they could I will not give them sympathy. That would be reinforcing bad behavior. How will they ever learn!

 

[luvmy3]

Did you guys see how many views this thread has


People, please move along there is absolutely nothing to see here

 

[wvjules]

My point is....there are several saying that we don't know if the OP was trying to console her daughter or not. All I am saying is that if she were trying to do that then surely it would have been posted since the intent of the OP was to get sympathy from being corrected by a handicapped old lady that dresses badly. She didn't say, "I was trying to get DD to stop but..." She instead defended herself by saying that you should basically expect screeching toddlers in public. If it were me, I would have pointed out that I was trying to get my DD to stop the bad behavior but it wasn't working, not point out the beeping ECV and horrid clothing of the lady and making excuses why it was acceptable.

 

[TupperMom7]

As a mom of 5 myself, two being a set of boy/girl twins, I can totally appreciate how that "lady" made you feel. So sorry that she could not
control her own mouth!

Just ask yourself if you really care what that lady thinks of you or your children? Then move on and don't waste any more time on her.

 

[ols386]

My point is....there are several saying that we don't know if the OP was trying to console her daughter or not. All I am saying is that if she were trying to do that then surely it would have been posted since the intent of the OP was to get sympathy from being corrected by a handicapped old lady that dresses badly. She didn't say, "I was trying to get DD to stop but..." She instead defended herself by saying that you should basically expect screeching toddlers in public. If it were me, I would have pointed out that I was trying to get my DD to stop the bad behavior but it wasn't working, not point out the beeping ECV and horrid clothing of the lady and making excuses why it was acceptable.

I see your point. Thanks!!

 

[Stacerita]

I just ran out to Walmart at lunch. I ran into a rude women who was telling another off. I threw a pair of bloomers at the rude women and guess what happened. She shut up and just started at the bloomers. That idea really worked!!!!

BTW I got the bloomers from this box that was sitting at the USPS.

I love when another thread sneaks into the thread Im reading.

I'm shocked that you would assault someone over name calling. Mostly because if you truly DO care about your children, assaulting someone and being arrested and thrown in jail (which I assure you would happen) is probably not in your child;s best interest.

Just something to chew on.

I was going to say something similar.

 

[wdwfan16]

I love when another thread sneaks into the thread Im reading.

I just couldn't help myself.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I just couldn't help myself.

So does that make you a brat?

 

[Scurvy]

To clarify, I am a security officer in a school system and DW is a second grade teacher. We are no strangers to raising children and understand the in's and out's of raising children.

We have been to Disney with parents. I was not saying that all parents scream at their kids, what I was getting at is that kids are exhausted and over tired from being at the park and have at one time or the other taken there children out when tired or grumpy. Not all have tantrums. I was making the point that, being Disney people, we deal with a lot worse than the OP's situation when at Disney.

I also speak with the first hand knowledge of rude parents who take no responsibility for the action of their child or make the child take responsibility for themselves (older kids that is, not 2 year old's)

My belief is that many of the adults in this world have somehow gotten it in their heads that the "Me" has become the most important thing on Earth. And the "Others" can exist only if they don't infringe on them. We have forgotten that although people can be rude that is is even worse to be doubly rude and point it out.

In a nutshell, The mother should have made an attempt to hush the child out of respect of others in the area. The lady should have kept her comments to herself. Lastly, The Op should have ignored the old woman and went on with her shopping. We need to try to be the better person in situations like these.

I also understand that it is a hard thing to do when confronted by a tiny brain. Can't we all just get along.

I definitely don't think you have to be a parent to have an understanding of working with children, so I wasn't trying to belittle you by pointing that out in my post. I was just responding to this:

I am not a parent,

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3. Are we all not Disney goers? If so, how can anyone with children talk about not taking children out when they are tired and should be napping when I know everyone has run their children ragged at DW, kept them out later than they should have, and had their child melt down on the bus on the way back to the resorts? Granted the OP didn't seem to take other peoples comfort level into consideration and try to tell the child to hush.

Since I know you aren't basing that on yourself, and I know you aren't basing it on me or the families I vacation with, I assume you are basing it on other people you have observed. I was merely pointing out that it is likely that you simply noticed those sorts of people more often because of their poor behavior, and you didn't notice the well behaved children who weren't melting down on the bus. The majority of parents that I know don't have their children have meltdowns on the bus at WDW, or elsewhere for that matter.

By the way, I agree with you that the OP should have tried to hush her child, and that the woman should have kept her comment to herself. I disagree that the OP should have continued her shopping. I think she should have realized that it was rude to expose her fellow shoppers to the screeching and she should have left the store until she could get that under control.


mill4023 - I was one who said that a screeching child should be removed from the store. To me, "fussing" might be whining or complaining, or maybe quiet crying. . . things that would be audible to the person with the child and maybe those who are standing very close to them. That sort of thing is easy to avoid for those shoppers who don't want to have to hear it. If the situation escalates to something like screeching and is audible to someone on another aisle, it's not appropriate in my opinion for the parent to expect her fellow shoppers to put up with it and she should remove the child from the store.

 

[MushyMushy]

I'm a little shocked at how many of you think that people should immediately leave the store if their kids are fussy. Are you guys serious?
Sometimes you need to shop with kids, even when they don't really want to be shopping. If the kids starts getting cranky and throwing a tantrum and you immediately leave the store, you're basically teaching them that if they whine and cry when they don't want to do something, they won't have to do it. Seems like a bad message to me.

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Who said you had to make leaving the store something pleasant?

Yes, every time my kids misbehaved to the point of disruption in a store or restaurant, I took them out. 9 times out of 10, we just went to sit in the car. I kept a book in the car for that purpose. The message they got -- be disruptive and you're going to be sitting in the carseat bored.

My kids knew I wouldn't put up with nonsense from them in public. One of my kids was ADHD and ODD and even he learned not to pitch a fit or "screech" in public places.

 

[ols386]

What may be annoying to some, isn't necessarily annoying to others. Some people have more sensitivity to noise than others. When I hear an screeching or crying child, I do find it annoying, but I think I can put up with it, at least long enough to walk away, if necessary.

If I'm on a plane and the kid next to me is crying or whatever, then I'm pretty much stuck with it...and I'm not going to confront the parent and make the situation worse, especially if I have to sit next to them during a flight.

 

[Scurvy]

What may be annoying to some, isn't necessarily annoying to others. Some people have more sensitivity to noise than others. When I hear an screeching or crying child, I do find it annoying, but I think I can put up with it, at least long enough to walk away, if necessary.

If I'm on a plane and the kid next to me is crying or whatever, then I'm pretty much stuck with it...and I'm not going to confront the parent and make the situation worse, especially if I have to sit next to them during a flight.

Of course you are right, but I think in general we have a pretty good idea of what is likely to annoy others and what our society tends to find acceptable behavior for public places - though that does vary from one place to another. For example, everyone knows that normal conversation is acceptable in the grocery store. There could be some people who are annoyed by people conversing normally, but they'd be considered unreasonable by most people. On the other hand, even quiet conversation is typically frowned on in a movie theater, while eating is considered perfectly acceptable there. I might be unusually sensitive to the sound of chewing and might prefer that no one eat popcorn while I'm trying to watch a movie, but most people would agree that I'm unreasonable if I try to insist that others refrain from eating if I'm in the theater or if I try to have a conversation while I'm in the theater. Most people might have no problem with the sound of screeching coming from a playground, and while some people might object to it because they think it's "too loud", it's generally considered acceptable for kids to screech and be loud as they play on the playground.

Even though we all have different limits and different pet peeves, most people agree that certain volumes are more appropriate for some places than others. I think that the vast majority of people would agree that anything above a normal conversational tone is really not appropriate for a public place like a grocery store. Whether someone can choose to ignore it or not, screeching is not something that belongs in a grocery store and I don't think it is unreasonable for someone to have the expectation that they ought to be able to do their shopping without having to listen to a screeching child while doing so.

 

[1-disneyfan]

Who said you had to make leaving the store something pleasant?

Yes, every time my kids misbehaved to the point of disruption in a store or restaurant, I took them out. 9 times out of 10, we just went to sit in the car. I kept a book in the car for that purpose. The message they got -- be disruptive and you're going to be sitting in the carseat bored.

Totally agree! have had to do this a few time before DD got it even at 6 she has "tried" crying in the store for a toy, so out we went

However, would NEVER confront another parent, I just try and shop as far away as possible

 

[wdwfan16]

So does that make you a brat?

No, because the internet is a public place.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

No, because the internet is a public place.

 

[ols386]

Of course you are right, but I think in general we have a pretty good idea of what is likely to annoy others and what our society tends to find acceptable behavior for public places - though that does vary from one place to another. For example, everyone knows that normal conversation is acceptable in the grocery store. There could be some people who are annoyed by people conversing normally, but they'd be considered unreasonable by most people. On the other hand, even quiet conversation is typically frowned on in a movie theater, while eating is considered perfectly acceptable there. I might be unusually sensitive to the sound of chewing and might prefer that no one eat popcorn while I'm trying to watch a movie, but most people would agree that I'm unreasonable if I try to insist that others refrain from eating if I'm in the theater or if I try to have a conversation while I'm in the theater. Most people might have no problem with the sound of screeching coming from a playground, and while some people might object to it because they think it's "too loud", it's generally considered acceptable for kids to screech and be loud as they play on the playground.

Even though we all have different limits and different pet peeves, most people agree that certain volumes are more appropriate for some places than others. I think that the vast majority of people would agree that anything above a normal conversational tone is really not appropriate for a public place like a grocery store. Whether someone can choose to ignore it or not, screeching is not something that belongs in a grocery store and I don't think it is unreasonable for someone to have the expectation that they ought to be able to do their shopping without having to listen to a screeching child while doing so.

Well, just don't tell me I can't eat popcorn at the movie theater.

We can discuss this topic until we're all blue in the face....we'll never ALL agree on it. But I guess that's what makes life interesting.