My Daughter

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My 11 year old daughter has a primary diagnosis of Severe Autism. During her DD evaluation when she was 2 yo, she broke my nose, blacked my eye, and busted my lip so bad that I had to have stitches during her wild tantrum over what they were trying to test on her. My husband (her father) tried to help, but that too was in vain. She was a wildcat on the attack out of fear of the newness of the unfamiliar. She broke his jaw with a single kick straight to his face before escaping to the comfort of her room where we found her twirling a string of pink beads, rocking and flapping with a vengance with her comfort toys arranged in a semi-circle around her (all pink or bright pink, 18 all told).

Not understanding what was wrong, I pleaded with "the experts" for help. Fix my baby. Make it all better. Sobbing with my head in my hands while we sat in my living room/kitchen area, seven out of nine of my windows shattered due to her extreme outbursts, they told me to put her in an institution and forget about her. They told me that she would never know me or that I was her mother or even begin to comprehend our relationship. They told me that at two, I was unable and ill equipped to handle her regular and routine violent outbursts. They said it would only get worse as she got older. They told me to committ her to the residential center and forget that I had her and focus on my other children.

Needless to say, I finally got pissed. THIS IS MY BABY THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! My precious girl! I lost it. One thing that I have to say about myself is that I have tremendous clarity of thought and tongue whenever I get pissed off. It's like everything else slows down and I have the ability to say what I actually mean with ample time to say it before anyone else can even react or try to respond.

Nine highly educated and trained experts in their fields were telling me this in one joint voice using a lowly family counselor to speak their minds. BIG MISTAKE. This is MY BABY. They don't know her and they darn sure didn't know me or what I could possibly handle. Not even I had any scope of that up until that point.

One irritating doctor stopped me as I was kicking them out. She grabbed my arm and told me that it was good that I was pissed off. She said that just might give my daughter a fighting chance. Needless to say, I was wayyyyy too pissed off to even care about her ignorant opinion any longer. I narrowed in on her and really gave her a piece of my mind.

Studying at home, I taught myself about autism and sign language with the help of one of my friends who served as an official translator for the Boy Scouts (she has a Down's daughter who was born on my birthday and who happens to be my Goddaughter). I learned this for my goddaughter before I even conceived my own daughter. I started signing with my daughter.

An avidly supreme ball bouncer (on the level of savant with her extreme ability), I forced my daughter to learn the sign for ball. It was rough. It was nearly cruel, but I managed to break through to her world with that single word. We played ball for hours on end each and every day. I forced her to sign ball when she wanted me to pass it to her. After nearly three months of nonstop insistance, she finally signed the word to me. I laughed and cried as I passed her the ball.

She recognized the result instantly. She started signing it with a big grin on her blossom face. We had a connection. We had a thread to start with. She threw me the ball. She'd sign and grin, eyes hopeful. I'd throw it back and reaffirm the sign while saying it. "Ball."

It was our first word. It was our only connection. We signed, but quickly adapted it to PECS (Picture Exchange Communication System) as my sign language was extremely limited. I knew enough to barely get by, but not near enough to hold a full conversation on the level I needed to. I had enrolled for further sign classes, but found myself overwhelmed by her immediate needs as well as that of my family's. I had to drop out.

We resorted to PECS and then computer based communication. My daughter couldn't speak, but knew how to read and was able to type out grammatically correct sentences on the computer using a beta test program called Baldi which my computer programmer baby brother hooked us up with. All this before she was able to utter a two word sentence.

Then she went into kindergarten. She couldn't speak except for maybe a few random words blurted out of sheer frustration. Still in diapers despite thousands of hours of potty training, she was like an infant. Sending her off to school ripped my heart out.

I shouldn't have worried so much. Even without words, my daughter is naturally expressive. She had no problem at all with communicating her needs to everyone. She was extremely patient with everyone as she taught them all how to understand her. She'd clap for them whenever they would finally get what she meant and even go so far as to give them one of her precious comfort toys when they actually got it. They taught her verbal communication. She taught them all non-verbal communication.

My daughter is now eleven and in the fifth grade. To speak to her or hold a conversation with her, you can not tell that she is autistic AT ALL except for a slight amount of shyness. She attends the regular class for the most part. She attends resource for math and language, not because she is behind her peers, but because she is bored by it. She has a knack for adopting languages as though they are her native tongue. I speak a few myself with English being a second/third language for me, but she is even better. She is a true sponge. I have photographic memory, but she surpasses that. She tutors her older brother in his advanced math (cal and trig) classes.

Despite her progress and advances, she is not normal. She has mild CP (or neuromuscular difficulties as her doctors put it). She can walk with the assistance of corrective inserts in her shoes. Sometimes, she has to wear ankle braces but only when absolutely necessary such as when her legs need more conditioning to match her growing weight. She has hypotonia with extreme weakness in her hands. She has tracheomalcia (extremely narrowed windpipe) coupled with malformed lungs (too few air sacs coupled with extremely small lungs). They say all of this was because of her extreme prematurity. It really breaks my heart considering that her birth was induced due to my history of rapid labors (having already lost my first daughter, Robin, because of this).

I don't want to handicap my child, but I am hedging on getting her a stroller as a wheelchair. She is capable of a lot, but she tires easily. She's too big for me to carry anymore. I am strong, but not that strong anymore. Being eleven, she is too big for a typical stroller.

My heart is tearing. I want her to enjoy our vacation just like any other kid. She's too young for a motorized cart rental at WDW although she has used these in the past during our vacations at other places and drives them well.

We are not on any public assistance programs so everything we do comes strictly out of pocket. Our insurance covers medically necessary stuff only. I had cancer three (almost four) years ago in my groin area and had to have an extreme extensive exisional biopsy done on both sides. My mobility is also limited although I can push my way through the pain for my family. I can walk with a funny, shortened jot as my insides catch too much for a full stride.

If I get a cart for myself, can I let my daughter ride on my lap when she gets exhausted? I can't imagine trying to push her in a stroller or wheelchair. My stepdaughter will have two 3 and under children in her own stroller. My husband's ex (who is also going with us on my dime) is also of poor health, having had a kidney transplant and will most likely need her own cart.

My husband says that he will push our daughter in a wheelchair if need be, but I want him to enjoy his vacation as well. He deals with enough hardship as it is in everyday life. He's no saint, but he's stomached much more than most men I know ever would have.

Even if Disney doesn't provide it, does anyone know of a company near Disney where we can rent three electric carts? One for an eleven year old child? Mine is pre-approved by insurance due to my x-cancer. If I rent my own cart and let my clearly disabled daughter ride on it with me, will anyone try to stop me and toss us out of the park?
 
I don't think anyone rents an ECV for a child as young as 11. For you and your husband's ex, there are several companies that rent ECVs listed in the FAQ on the main disAbilities board.

While I doubt anyone would try to kick you out of the park, it's really not safe for her to ride on your lap. Even if you hold on to her, if you have to stop suddenly, she could go flying. And at Disney you are likely to have to stop suddenly quite a bit.

I know this may not work as a short-term solution for Disney (I'm not sure when you're going), but it might be worth looking into seeing if a motorized cart can be prescribed for her by a doctor from home for use in general. Even if your insurance won't cover it, you may be able to find a program or group that will (someone at your daughter's school may know of resources or a group like UCP may know).

Also, I know you aren't asking about this, but you really should know that you are *not* responsible for causing your daughter's disabilities and it sounds like you're doing a wonderful job raising her. I don't know how early she was, but plenty of preemies are completely non-disabled and plenty of non-preemies aren't. I just thought I should mention it due to your comment about her birth.

I hope however things work out, that you have a wonderful trip!


Note to the mods: I think this might be better on the main disAbilities board?
 
Hi there!

If your daughter is unable to walk the entire Disney Park I'd assume that she also has some problems shopping, etc.? My daughter has a Convaid Cruiser. She also has diagnosis of mild CP but her issues are probably more related to the neuromuscular disorder I have.

Have you thought of purchasing an ECV for yourself? Disney isn't likely to allow you to take your daughter on the ECV with you. Most rental companies are also unlikely to allow this.

We purchased a 4 wheel ECV and my daughter rode on it a couple times with me. I weigh maybe 135 lbs and my daughter weighed about 60-70 lbs when we went. She rode with me very little as she has her own chair. I do believe it's important for a child to have their own chair as it give them much more independence than riding around on mommy's lap. That's not exactly safe anyway.


 
I am strong, but not that strong anymore.

Wow. I know you meant physical strength. But you're a lot stronger than I'll ever be.

I'd go with whatever you feel most comfortable doing, and if other people don't like it, they will have to deal.

There is another thread floating around here on kids and ECV's, and IIRC the rental places in Orlando won't rent to a child. So, that leaves you with renting a wheelchair for her, renting a special needs stroller, renting a "double" stroller at Disney (which she would probably fit into), or letting her walk and then ride on your lap when she needs.

And there is also the option of giving it a try the first day and seeing what happens. See how often she does need to sit in your lap, and if that becomes a problem, rent a double or a wheelchair there. And it might depend on the park, she might be fine at MK but not at Epcot. And get the stroller as wheelchair sticker and if you don't need it you don't need it, but you've got it just in case. You should also ask for a GAC for her, combined with yourself being in a wheelchair, the stroller as wheelchair may not be necessary for her. I am not sure what would happen if one person in the party is in an ECV and one has a GAC, I'm sure Sue knows, I'm guessing that you'd all go thru the wheelchair entrance, that the ECV would pull rank over the GAC. BUT. There may be attractions you don't want to go on, that she will, and maybe go with Dad, so get a GAC for her.

My approach was to plan plan plan, and then throw the plans out the window. :thumbsup2 In a nutshell, know all the available resources and options, and then just go and see what happens. If the first way doesn't work, you know the Plan B and Plan C.

If I rent my own cart and let my clearly disabled daughter ride on it with me, will anyone try to stop me and toss us out of the park?

No. You might get a couple of odd looks and a comment, but judging from your history, I think you're quite capable of handling that. (editing as others have posted now) There is the safety issue, which I completely didn't consider.
 

To avoid the safety issue of having your daughter ride with you on your ECV, just plan lots of breaks during your day. There are plenty of shows that you can go to in between the ride attractions, which would give everyone a chance to cool down and rest. Plan on eating early meals, and take your time at them. Go at your daughter's pace, and have a wonderful vacation!
 
Wow, I didn't expect so many responses so fast. Thank you all so much for your experience.

Our doctor is a saint and will go along with whatever I say we need. I've known him since I was a small child (his oldest daughter is my best friend). He also knows my pride factor. He encouraged me to get a disability check for my daughter years ago, but I wouldn't allow it.

He did my cancer surgery. I supremely trusted him not to disfigure me or miss anything and he didn't. I can still wear a bathing suit without showing the scars while getting all of the cancer out. He's that good.

I'm not so much worried about me. I'm worried about the strain on my DH and daughter. I will make do no matter what. For me, my daughter, and DH's ex, I planned on a slower route for us anyway with frequent rests. My DH puts up with me like a champ.

We have a disabled parking placard for DD although we never use it. We just let her rest on a bench once we get inside the store. But WDW is different. It's a lot of ground to cover. I'm just hoping to make it from the bus to the park entrance without her collapsing.

I guess it's time for me to stop resisting on her getting a motorized wheelchair. I sold our adapted van when she finally got to where she could walk. Two steps forward and one step back.
 
I am sorry but all ECV manufacturers indicate in their manuals that it is a safety hazard to have any passengers. Disney does not allow any passengers in it's rental ECVs, and if you are seen with a child in an ECV (as a passenger) you will be told the child is not allowed to ride.

My ECV, for example, weighs 192 pounds (plus my weight) and can do almost 6½ MPH. If there is a passenger who can squeeze against the control lever the machine will go forward and can run over people or run into a wall or over a curb.
 
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=595713
That is this board's FAQs and you should read them from bottom to top and back to the bottom as they are very informative.

http://www.orlandostrollerrentals.com/
I have heard lots of rave reviews on that site and you can rent a pushchair or large stroller for your daughter.

https://www.all-about-kids.com/
Is another site that rents kids stuff but their rates are so low I am curious.

If you get a stroller for her then go to Guest Services in any park and get a GAC with a stamp and tag that says "Stroller as a Wheelchair". I think it is time for you to invest in getting her a kid's ECV/scooter, powerchair, or pushchair for the mall and other stuff. She needs a strong and healthy mom so please do not hurt yourself carrying her or other stuff but instead get a pushchair at least and many are lightweight.

Try looking around your area for a low cost child's wheelchair that is used. If you can get that then it would be free to ship with your luggage on your plane trip. Any medical equipment and medically needed stuff does not count toward luggage or onboard bags. Tell the people where you board that she has limited mobility and they will board her first and even use an aisle chair to get her to her seat.

Do get an ECV via sites like Randy's so that you can all have fun without a lot of pain.:grouphug:
 
Thank you for all of your rapid and experienced responses.

I guess I'm just over worrying for my own good.

Our family is eleven people strong. We are going as a GG in two cabins at FW on my personal tab. If DH gets tired and can't push our daughter, surely one of the energetic young teens in our bunch can step up to the challenge.

Thank you all for reminding me the risks of having DD ride on my lap. It's not safe and it's not wise. I talked to DH about it. He DEMANDS the right to push our baby girl in a wheelchair if she needs it. If she doesn't, he says he will gladly push around everybody's bags in that chair with the biggest smile on his face. God, I really love him.

I'm crying too hard for my own good to even finish this post. Thank you all for supporting me.
 
I have seen posted in the past by Cast Members at Disney, that Disney does not allow kids to ride as passengers on ECV's. Reguardless of their policy, it is also dangerous and should be avoided if at all possible.

If you were talking about carrying your 11 year old daughter (even though you said your health doesn't allow it), can I assume she is on the small size for an 11 year old. I have known some kids that age that are just as big as their parents.

It sounds to me like you are saying that no one in your party has the health to be pushing a stroller. Unfortunately, for a child that age there are only the choices of a stroller or a wheelchair. A child with your daughters issues, you might want a stroller more than a wheelchair. If it was just her legs, I would suggest a wheelchair, but with her lungs and airway issues, her pushing herself in a wheelchair may make things worse when she starts to get tired and worn out. At 11 years old there is also the question as to whether or not your daughter would be willing to be in a stroller (at least initially till she gets tired). The Frequently Asked Questions on this site ( http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=595713 ) has a lot of information about traveling to Disney with a disability, including info about renting equipment for people traveling with disabilities.

My hunts have only turned up 3 possible strollers for rent. The ones at Disney, that are not designed for an 11 year old and look very uncomfortable. Then there are the off site stroller rental places. They appear to offer two different types of Special Needs Strollers for kids that age. By looking at their web sites, I like the one at Orlando Stroller Rental ( http://www.orlandostrollerrentals.com/baby-jogger-libery-push-chair.html ) and plan on renting that when I go this summer for my little girl. There is also the ones at other places like Discount Mobility USA ( http://www.discountmobilityusa.com/baby_stroller_rentals.htm ). Although cheaper and a site where you could rent something to meet your needs, that stroller does not have a sun shade. But maybe the thing to do is let your daughter pick between the three (or between the ones that you can afford).

Between the three, I like the one at Orlando Stroller Rentals for an Autistic child. It appears to give them their own place to "escape" the crowds and extra stimuli that are abundant at Disney. With the sun shield, you could even put a towel or something over it so they could hide completely.

Good Luck with your efforts to make the trip more enjoyable and less stressful.
 
He DEMANDS the right to push our baby girl in a wheelchair if she needs it. If she doesn't, he says he will gladly push around everybody's bags in that chair with the biggest smile on his face. God, I really love him.

I'm crying too hard for my own good to even finish this post. Thank you all for supporting me.
I have SID/SPD and am a sensitive person whose mother is Highly Sensitive. As is said the apple does not fall from the tree or in my case the apple is from a tree that is from an apple that is from a tree, lol.:lmao:

This board does bring tears to me and others. They are a great bunch of people. Now chin up and remember that the best thing for a trip is to plan and plan and know everything. If a ride is down or someone is sick then you automatically whip into action and rewrite your travel plans. No Dumbo so lets scurry off to Snow White. Know where the campanion bathrooms are as they are big and nice for two people to use. Daddy can take her into any bathroom he wants because that is the law.

Chin up and dry your eyes. It is time for chocolates and hugs and prayers and warm wishes. You are a great mom.:thumbsup2 pixiedust: :grouphug: :cheer2: pixiedust: :grouphug: :cheer2: :thumbsup2
 
Thank you all so much. I'm still crying and my face is a total wreck. DH doesn't put his foot down often, but this is one occassion where he has.

I won't go into details, but this makes me hate/love him even more.

As you (Mechurchlady) said, the nut doesn't fall far from the tree. I have extreme SID. I can not register pain (imagine that with my past as a Siagon street brat). Even so, I can not handle light touches. Light touch and tickling will bring out a very bad side of me which I would like to forget.

BTW, I love chocolates.
 
http://www.sensorysmarts.com/signs.html
That is what I have SID/SPD where the brain is damaged or miswired. SID people can be both hyper and hyposensitive. They love some sounds and other noises send them into their shell with pillows over their head. My mother is probably HSD/HSC which is highly sensitive to everything. I seem to got a toned down version along with birth defects in theory but I am not as bad.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=29884210#post29884210
Read that and it will have some moments close to home. I tell parents here that I am an example of when neurovariants and disabled kids do not get proper therapy and training. My mother is worse than me and was born when austism let alone HFC and SID were not known. Some HFA go undiagnosed.

Good luck and big hugs and remember that the best medicine is laughter and chocolates.pixiedust: :grouphug:

As for braces you can bring them into the park and leave them in a locker or at the Nurse's station. If she does wear orthodic shoes or braces then keep a mother eagle eye on her as the heat can cause sweating thus wear spots and ouchies. Most kids seem to get overheated feet even with sandals. Again if you do not want her to wear the braces on the plane then put them in a bag and carry that onto the plane.

:moped: :wave2: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: pixiedust:
 
I wanted to give you some major kudos for being such a great mom! Unfortunately ECVs can't be shared. I would look into getting her her own wheelchair. Good OT's can often work the system to get you what you need. You might also check with the Cerebral Palsy foundation. They often have loaner chairs and can sometimes help pay for a chair.
 
There are lots of people much more informed about mobility, so I will just say thank you for being such a fighter for your daughter. It sound like she is very smart so it does not surprise me that she was “feisty” at such a young age. Our family me DH (aspie) DW DS9 Aspergers and DS6 (NT) are arriving on the June 9th, followed by other at least 5 on June 12th (possible 1 or 2 of my aspie nieces), so we will probably overlap your vacation.

bookwormde
 
Just wanted to add that an 11 yr old would not fit with you on an ECV (since you mentioned her riding on your lap) even if it was allowed under the rental agreement. And, the rental ECVs from the parks and the off-site rental places are adult size (although that doesn't matter because the rental companies do specify in the rental agreement that no one under the age of 18 will drive or ride on them).

If you are using one of the larger special needs strollers for your DD, you should not need a GAC or stamp that says the stroller can be used as a wheelchair. Those are more to help the CMs identify the 'regular' strollers or smaller strollers that can be easily confused with a 'regular' stroller.
I am not sure what would happen if one person in the party is in an ECV and one has a GAC, I'm sure Sue knows, I'm guessing that you'd all go thru the wheelchair entrance, that the ECV would pull rank over the GAC. BUT. There may be attractions you don't want to go on, that she will, and maybe go with Dad, so get a GAC for her.
Most attractions don't have a wheelchair entrance, so people using wheelchairs or ECVs just go into the regular line.
If the person with a GAC had needs that were not met by going in an accessible line/entrance, then they would show the GAC. Since the message stamped on the GAC is based on the needs of the person, not all GACs say the same thing.

I can't remember how many you said are in your group, but just so you are aware, in most cases, not more than a total of 5 people can accompany the person with a GAC or with an ECV. In most cases, it's because of space.
What would happen in most cases is that the rest of your party would just get into line. Fastpasses would also be helpful for you; send someone in your party ahead with everyone's park passes to get Fastpasses. When the time comes that you can enter the Fastpass line, you can all go together because you will all have Fastpasses.

Someone already pointed out the disABILITIES FAQs thread; I'd suggest reading post #6 about GACs and check out the links in post #3 to helpful websites or past threads.
 
I know your post was to inquire about EVC and I can't offer any suggestions on that, but I wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed reading your story.

How wonderful of a mother you are to help your daughter so much to break through her silence.

I hope you and your family have a wonderful trip :)
 












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