My Co-Worker didnt syay in a Disney Resort but still got extra magic hours...

[wendy1974]

I liked it when you had to pay for EMH...

But I know I'm in the minority.

I liked it too! I have many fond memories of those EMH nights at MK when they were only available on certain nights and you paid for them separately if you were a resort guest.

 

[Sam81]

Sam, I have to say you bother me a lot. My husband and I ALWAYS stay deluxe. (I have persuaded him to stay a few cheaper resorts over the years simply because I want to stay at each resort on property, but it takes some doing each time). If EMH was this big factor, why would we stay deluxe and not just stay at a value? There is much more to vacation than your logic allows. We prefer the perks of the deluxes (bigger rooms, better beds, inside hallways, proximity to parks, better pools, room service, etc). Staying on property even at the value level gives you much more than off site. (no need to rent a car, pay for parking, find parking, find your car at the end of the evening, drive to your hotel when you- the driver- are exhausted, etc. let alone the theming of Disney and its customer service).

As for why cheating and lying is wrong???? Seriously? My grocery store lets you scan and pack your groceries as you shop, so when you get to check out you just scan a barcode above the cash register and pay (your bags are already packed). According to your logic, it is fine for me to add a couple things to my bags without scanning them (and so not paying for them)? I mean who is it hurting? And if the store didnt want me to do that, they would watch my shopping more closely, right? According to you, a grocery employee should follow me around so I dont put things in my bag that I dont scan first. You really dont see this as a problem?

Let me break this down for you…while I appreciate the essay on why you stay deluxe it was not my point. Please take a few minutes and read through the thread, go ahead I’ll wait…

Ready now? This is a heavily marketed perk. Is it the only perk – no. Is it a deciding factor for everyone – no. Does it have any value – it depends. This perk 100% depends on how thorough the CMs feel like being during that EMH. As others have confirmed some days they check cards others they don’t. The only real perk that cannot be used from someone staying offsite is magical express.

I believe the outrage is from people being annoyed that they paid for something that they thought would be exclusive. In reality though, it is open to just about everyone.

To your last point – do an experiment. Call Disney security and report that you witnessed someone stealing from a gift shop. Then call and say that you think someone is riding Dumbo even though they are not staying on-site. See which one gets priority (really matters) to them.

Want more? Staying with your supermarket analogy… Call your local police station and tell them that you just witnessed someone stealing a cart full of groceries. Then call and say you witnessed someone taking advantage of the buy 1 get 1 without using their Kroger card. See which one gets priority (really matters) to them.

 

[shalom]

Today I drove (with my kids in the car) over the speed limit .

Don't worry. Ever since the Federal government tried to impose the 55 mph speed limit in the 1970s, speeding has been viewed as a patriotic act -- in some places, a patriotic duty -- pretty much everywhere west of Pennsylvania.

Truth is, as our national tendency to speed reflects, most people in the US really don't care if people put themselves or their family at minor risk, so long as the other person isn't actively harming others. Or putting others at serious risk, as the tolerance for speeding but the rage at reckless or drunk drivers demonstrates. Raenstoirm's comparison to ripping off the local supermarket is a much more accurate parallel to what the guys in the OP's post were doing.

I believe the outrage is from people being annoyed that they paid for something that they thought would be exclusive. In reality though, it is open to just about everyone.

Please consider the fact that you're arguing that you can, not just mind read, but read people's unconscious motivations! Since few people believe in mind readers, let alone in some stranger on the internet being able to sense their innermost drives, the odds are somewhat against you here.

 

[Sam81]

Don't worry. Ever since the Federal government tried to impose the 55 mph speed limit in the 1970s, speeding has been viewed as a patriotic act -- in some places, a patriotic duty -- pretty much everywhere west of Pennsylvania.

Truth is, as our national tendency to speed reflects, most people in the US really don't care if people put themselves or their family at minor risk, so long as the other person isn't actively harming others. Or putting others at serious risk, as the tolerance for speeding but the rage at reckless or drunk drivers demonstrates. Raenstoirm's comparison to ripping off the local supermarket is a much more accurate parallel to what the guys in the OP's post were doing.



Please consider the fact that you're arguing that you can, not just mind read, but read people's unconscious motivations! Since few people believe in mind readers, let alone in some stranger on the internet being able to sense their innermost drives, the odds are somewhat against you here.

Couple items. Please note my use of the words “I Believe,” it is my opinion and not based on fact or a detailed study. No mind reading necessary. It is merely an observation, though, best guess, etc…

Secondly, I disagree with the supermarket analogy. Had they snuck into the park without tickets, then yes it would be stealing. But what they actually did was partake in a “perk” that is only supposed to be available to resort guests. They had every other right to be in the park at that time.

My analogy of using someone else’s Kroger card is a much better example. Let’s say you and I are in line to buy a $2 loaf of bread. But Kroger is running a special “perk” use your card and save $.20. So I use my card and notice that you also have the same loaf of bread. I being a nice guy hand you my card and you also save the $.20. Did we both just steal from Kroger? Are we morally disgusting people? Think about it, let me know…

 

[shalom]

Did we both just steal from Kroger? Are we morally disgusting people? Think about it, let me know…

I don't know that I agree that this is a parallel analogy, because staying onsite at Disney is expensive, while getting a Kroger card is free. People who cheat the system to get into EMHs are getting something for free that costs others money. You're also not taking anything from anyone in using the Kroger card; people who cheat their way into EMHs are essentially stealing seats on the rides (and the time spent waiting for them) from those who paid for those perks.

I still think petty theft is the best parallel. When it comes to people cheating the system for EMH's, it's obviously not a huge social problem, but it's not innocuous, either. Shoplifting costs the average American family $500 a year in elevated prices; the cost of EMHs is less financial, but it still carries a cost to others. Although admittedly it's a cost that varies according to personal tolerances. It's like poolhopping -- people who poolhop think they "aren't costing anyone anything", but people who prefer uncrowded pools end up not getting that perk they paid for because someone who hasn't paid is using it.

I thought the number of poolhoppers way inflated for a long time -- then our local YMCA went through a complete and annoying redesign so people had to check in in order to use the facilities. And suddenly I had access to a basketball hoop during my kids' classes there, when before the gym was always packed! When that high a percentage of people are perfectly willing to cheat the system, it really does make a big difference to those who are coughing up the cash. Sure, our money was getting us the class the kids were in -- but it was supposed to be getting me access to the gym, as well, and the only reason it wasn't was... EMH-style cheaters.

 

[Mkrop]

My 2 adult kids and I were at WDW last week. The kids went to the MK's EMH Friday night, but my son didn't realize he left his room key at the hotel until he got to the park. I told them they would each need a room key for EMH, but they were able to get on the rides by showing only one room key. I'm glad for them, but the CMs clearly weren't doing their job.

One morning we went to the parks for morning EMH, we had our tickets out that we bought through AAA. We forgot about the room key, the CM asked for it, I said shoot I forgot mine because I did, we had switch rooms and I forgot to put the new key in my purse, DH had pulled his out in the meantime and she looked at it and said it says 3/1, so you are good, 3 adults 1 child, go ahead in. Which is exactly what we were.

I am grateful they let us in that morning. And as soon as we got back, DH put the kids keys in his wallet and I put my new key in my purse

So maybe they saw that the # of adults were on the card and let it go.

 

[larryz]

Exactly! Which is one of the reasons I told him I wouldn't go for it (besides the fact that it would just be plain wrong). He also said they would like to use my TiW card to get discounts on their meals, when I explained it to him. He just couldn't seem to understand why I thought it was wrong to let them use my AP and TiW card. He kept insisting they wouldn't get caught and it wouldn't hurt anyone. He didn't see it as a big deal.

"Aw, gee, I'd love to help out, but (a) it violates the terms of service agreement, and (b) the Annual Pass uses biometric identification to prevent anyone else from using it. There are plenty of other ways to save, however -- you should consider buying the Platinum Plan while you're there. More food than you could possibly eat, along with every other resort amenity like tours, golf, water sports and special event viewing venues, all included at one low price per person..."