My Co-Worker didnt syay in a Disney Resort but still got extra magic hours...

[Robo]

Yes. "Things matter."

Some are more important (have more impact) than others.

That's why the law (in the real world) has different degrees repercussions for different degrees of infractions.

Purposely lying to get into EMH is not "catastrophic" in the vast scope of LIFE, in general,
but it is pretty serious within the bounds of Disney admission rules.

 

[TandLMommy28]

Why do the wristbands seem to work at the hard ticket events but not at EMH? What is different?

 

[Robo]

Why do the wristbands seem to work at the hard ticket events but not at EMH? What is different?

They USED to use wrist-bands for PM EMH.
They were very convenient.

Disney is now "saving money" by not issuing the bands anymore.

(No CM's to staff the wrist-band distribution, and no money spent on the bands, themselves.)

 

[aubriee]

This attitude is becoming more and more prevalent unfortunately. Several weeks ago I had a coworker, who asked me how much a trip to WDW costs, as he was thinking about taking his son down there next fall. When I tried to explain that it depended on the time of year and which resort he stayed at, he tried to press me for an exact price. I told him I didn't really know, but to look at the WDW site, decide when he wanted to go and where he wanted to stay and I'd see what discounts Imight be able to find for his time frame, but since I usually used an AP discount for a room discount and the TiW card for my meals, I didn't really know what the full cost of a trip without an AP would run. He then got the brilliant idea that I could give them my AP and they could use if for a room discount and his wife's park ticket. When I immediately refused he got mad and said he didn't see what it would hurt since I wouldn't be using it that week and it'd save them alot of money. Uh, how about because that would simply be wrong, plus when the wife got caught with my ticket, WDW would not only go back and charge them full price for their room, but they'd also take up my annual pass. He actually got really mad and said he couldn't believe I could be that prudish and selfish that I wouldn't let them use my AP to save them money. He said it wouldn't hurt anything and he was sure lots of people did it. He just couldn't see anything wrong with it.

Don't they use the bio system for AP's just like a normal room key or one day ticket?

Exactly! Which is one of the reasons I told him I wouldn't go for it (besides the fact that it would just be plain wrong). He also said they would like to use my TiW card to get discounts on their meals, when I explained it to him. He just couldn't seem to understand why I thought it was wrong to let them use my AP and TiW card. He kept insisting they wouldn't get caught and it wouldn't hurt anyone. He didn't see it as a big deal.

 

[chartle]

Why do the wristbands seem to work at the hard ticket events but not at EMH? What is different?

A couple of reasons.

• At hard ticket events everyone without a wristband is told to leave, they need something more visible than a current KTTW card. At EMH everyone can stay but only on site guests can ride.
  
• Guests pay extra to be at the hard ticket events and get peeved if others get to crash the party.
  
• You pay extra for a hard ticket event so the cost of the wristbands and the CM to manage them is paid for by the admission cost. You may ask, but what about the CM's that are checking KTTW cards, well they are already there.

 

[kaytieeldr]

No, I would have no problem with this. I also wish they would close the parks just before EMH starts, let everyone who paid for it wait in one of the lands like they used to, while they completely cleared the parks. Can you imagine how low the crowds would be if they would run everyone out of the parks who shouldn't be there and if people had to pay for EMH? I'd be willing to pay for EMH to have the parks that empty! I love morning EMH but seldom even bother with evening EMH anymore because they are so crowded with offsite guests just walking around clogging up the shops and arguing with CMs when they can't sneak onto the rides.

I think you're thinking of hard-ticket events. No park ever closed between general public hours and EMH.

 

[Sam81]

Allow me to play devil’s advocate, so currently there are multiple threads with people complaining the EMH are being cut from 3 to 2 hours. One of the core reasons being that the attendance figures during those hours are not supporting the cost to keep the park open. Now wouldn’t you want the extra people in the park? Wouldn’t that actually help the cause?

And if Disney really truly cared, don’t you think they would do a better job of checking the cards? I think the real reason the collective “you” are peeved is because all along you have been told about this special magical perk that you get only by spending your $ at a Disney hotel. When in reality, it may or may not be enforced and this “perk” turns out is just another clever marketing ploy.

 

[PIRATEGIRL007]

Allow me to play devil’s advocate, so currently there are multiple threads with people complaining the EMH are being cut from 3 to 2 hours. One of the core reasons being that the attendance figures during those hours are not supporting the cost to keep the park open. Now wouldn’t you want the extra people in the park? Wouldn’t that actually help the cause?

And if Disney really truly cared, don’t you think they would do a better job of checking the cards? I think the real reason the collective “you” are peeved is because all along you have been told about this special magical perk that you get only by spending your $ at a Disney hotel. When in reality, it may or may not be enforced and this “perk” turns out is just another clever marketing ploy.

So how would that have helped in this case? They had valid KTTK cards that had appropriate dates on them, they just were no thiers. WDW does a great job of checking KTTK cards IMO. I was there the exact same time as OP's co worker and they chekced my card every single time I went to enter an attraction right up until 2am at MK. A few times I just flashed it and they asked to see it closer and they seemed to be actually looking at the date. Maybe I'm just a shady looking charecter. I know the 30ish blong overweight exhausted mom type is who I'd target to make sure they weren't sneaking into EMH if I were a CM.

OP my first thought was I hope you keep your valuables locked up at work. Someone willing to brag about something like blatant cheating the system isn't someone I'd trust much. Sadly some people are just like that.

 

[jkbd03]

We were there from June 18th to June 25th and did all the EMH at night..not one person checked to see if we were staying on site. I remember 2 years ago they gave wrist bands or asked to see key.

We stayed at MK until 2am and never had a person ask us. Did not even think about it until I read this thread.

 

[shalom]

One of the core reasons being that the attendance figures during those hours are not supporting the cost to keep the park open. Now wouldn’t you want the extra people in the park? Wouldn’t that actually help the cause?

Interesting viewpoint. Although my guess is that the cheaters aren't any better at staying until the bitter end than the average legit guest.

I think the real reason the collective “you” are peeved is because all along you have been told about this special magical perk that you get only by spending your $ at a Disney hotel.

Not this individual. Never stayed onsite and likely wouldn't use EMH if I did. Evening EMH doesn't sound worth the effort, and going at opening to a non EMH park makes more sense to me than getting up way early for a park that's likely to get mobbed around 11:00. I wouldn't argue that Disney came up with them as just a marketing ploy, necessarily, but it isn't a valuable perk to me.

 

[Sam81]

Interesting viewpoint. Although my guess is that the cheaters aren't any better at staying until the bitter end than the average legit guest.



Not this individual. Never stayed onsite and likely wouldn't use EMH if I did. Evening EMH doesn't sound worth the effort, and going at opening to a non EMH park makes more sense to me than getting up way early for a park that's likely to get mobbed around 11:00. I wouldn't argue that Disney came up with them as just a marketing ploy, necessarily, but it isn't a valuable perk to me.

That’s kinda my point. Disney markets this as a special “perk” that you only get by staying onsite. So the average Joe shells out $400 a night for a deluxe, thinking the extra perks are justifying the cost. In reality he has the same "perk" as the guest paying $150 for the All Star Whatever and the guy paying $59 at the Ramada.

People are mad because Disney told them give us your $ and we will make you special. But what they say and what they do are two different things. Basically, you’ve been had by the masters of marketing.

 

[POOHsie]

That’s kinda my point. Disney markets this as a special “perk” that you only get by staying onsite. So the average Joe shells out $400 a night for a deluxe, thinking the extra perks are justifying the cost. In reality he has the same "perk" as the guest paying $150 for the All Star Whatever and the guy paying $59 at the Ramada.

People are mad because Disney told them give us your $ and we will make you special. But what they say and what they do are two different things. Basically, you’ve been had by the masters of marketing.

IMO, the last hour of EMH shows a deep drop-off of guests. I went to Country Bear Jamboree and was the ONLY guest in the theatre near the end of EMH. To me, it was a great expense to keep the park open so long with so few guests. Reducing EMH to 2 hours is very sensible.

EMH is a Disney resort perk that does have value. I am always "carded" at the rides, and a person not entering until park close can't get in without a KTTW card. As for non-resort guests being in the parks after hours, it isn't a bad idea because they can buy souvenirs and eat (contribute to the bottom line) but get shut out of the rides. So their attendance is with limited access.

Reasons for staying on-site are many. EMH is not at the top of the list. Time savings, transportation so I don't have to rent a car, wonderful grounds and pools, and Magical Express service are my top reasons to stay Disney. Our family does not feel that we have been "had."

 

[Brian Noble]

She said her Brother and sister in law told the resort they lost room keys and got new ones issued& gave her & her kids their KTTK cards.

Some people cheat. You could too, if you wanted to. This is one of those times when it is important to listen to your inner Jiminy Cricket.

And, I don't know about anyone else, but my tween/teen kids are already all too willing to ignore rules that are inconvenient for them to follow. The last thing I want is to model the same behavior as acceptable. Other parents might make other choices, I suppose, but you do tend to reap what you sow.

 

[Robo]

IMO, the last hour of EMH shows a deep drop-off of guests. I went to Country Bear Jamboree and was the ONLY guest in the theatre near the end of EMH. To me, it was a great expense to keep the park open so long with so few guests. Reducing EMH to 2 hours is very sensible.

Country Bears are generally not full in hour 1 of PM EMH.

If I was trying to save some money on low attendance,
I'd not operate Country Bears during PM EMH.

 

[gator girl]

This is one of those times when it is important to listen to your inner Jiminy Cricket.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand and everything to do with the fact that I'm a weirdo, but I hooted like a loon at that image. If I had an inner Jiminy Cricket, I'd be seeing my doctor immediately to get some sort of "deworming" meds.

 

[kathie859]

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand and everything to do with the fact that I'm a weirdo, but I hooted like a loon at that image. If I had an inner Jiminy Cricket, I'd be seeing my doctor immediately to get some sort of "deworming" meds.

Of course it has everything to do with the topic at hand. The OP posted a tale of a person who bragged about circumventing a rule by lying and cheating. Your "inner Jiminy Cricket" refers to that little voice in our heads that (hopefully) goes off when we think about doing something wrong. The OP's co-worker knowingly did something wrong in front of her child---what a bad example to set.

End of the civilized world as we know it? Nahhh....but a sad tale nonetheless.

 

[shalom]

Basically, you’ve been had by the masters of marketing.

Still not buying it. For people who take a long break in the middle of the day, and for people who park hop, EMH work pretty much as advertised -- fewer people in the parks (particularly in the morning), and shorter lines for the rides. There's evidence right in this thread that when it doesn't work that way, part of the problem is people cheating the system. EMHs are a valid perk for a lot of people -- I don't value that perk for the same reason I don't value onsite transportation; I'm not going to use it, for my own personal reasons. Apparently you don't value EMHs, either, but that doesn't mean they hold no value.

The higher crowds later in the day are an unintended, and unwanted, consequence, but anyone who does the least bit of scheduling research is going to know about them, because nearly every scheduling site and book mentions that issue (I can't remember any that didn't). Meaning most people posting here were not bamboozled by Disney marketing.

 

[Colleen27]

This isn't anything new... I know someone who gave me the "great tip" to save your old KTTW cards so that if you go back and stay offsite you can still access EMH. Apparently they've done this for two trips now, renting a house and waving old cards to pass the check during evening EMH.

I miss the wristbands. I think that was the beginning of the end for EMH, when Disney clearly signaled that they couldn't be bothered to enforce the rules of something that is supposed to be one of the marquee perks of choosing an on-site resort.

 

[wdw&sonny]

Allow me to play devil’s advocate, so currently there are multiple threads with people complaining the EMH are being cut from 3 to 2 hours. One of the core reasons being that the attendance figures during those hours are not supporting the cost to keep the park open. Now wouldn’t you want the extra people in the park? Wouldn’t that actually help the cause?

And if Disney really truly cared, don’t you think they would do a better job of checking the cards? I think the real reason the collective “you” are peeved is because all along you have been told about this special magical perk that you get only by spending your $ at a Disney hotel. When in reality, it may or may not be enforced and this “perk” turns out is just another clever marketing ploy.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it is a "perk" for on-site guests because while Disney won't clear the park of off-site guests, they do enforce who can ride the attractions during EMH. It is a perk to on-site guest because fewer people are vying for the attractions and it is a perk to Disiney to have more guests in the park, especially those who can't ride the attractions, b/c all they can do is spend money in the stores.

 

[eliza61]

This isn't anything new... I know someone who gave me the "great tip" to save your old KTTW cards so that if you go back and stay offsite you can still access EMH. Apparently they've done this for two trips now, renting a house and waving old cards to pass the check during evening EMH.

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Wow
I must have a serious defect. I never think of things like this. I mean I research my vacation, I pay the cost of the vacation and then I try to enjoy it. I never think of "how can I get out of paying for XYZ"